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IndustryStandard, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

I was expecting an APU

4am,

…and you got one.

Appoxo,
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AFAIK: It depends.
The Cube: No
The VR headset: Yes. But it’s rather an SoC.

ms_lane,

No, the Steam Machine has a CPU and a pcie GPU.

Even if you could argue Raphael was an ‘apu’ since it has the 2CU GPU, those are lasered off on Steam Machine’s CPU.

mnemonicmonkeys,

And honestly, we probably should have expected this from the leaked benchmarks. It was already showing hits of using a separate 7600

RebekahWSD, do gaming w Its been a journey
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

Loved the game! Had a bug stop very late game thing and I got frustrated and put it down. I did check, bug was fixed, but man was I sad.

MonkderVierte, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

…the fuck is a “loss leader”?

UndercoverUlrikHD,
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

A product sold at a loss/very attractive price to attract customers. The idea is that they customers will come due to the cheap price of a desirable product and buy additional other stuff at the store, which should hopefully make up for the loss.

E.g. a restaurant advertise cheap burgers to attract customers, and then make the profit on alcoholic beverages that customers buy alongside the cheap burger.

MonkderVierte, (edited )

So the Razor and blades model (printers) but in games?

UndercoverUlrikHD,
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

From the second sentence on the page:

It is different from loss leader marketing and product sample marketing, which do not depend on complementary products or services.

So the Razor and blades model would probably be the more accurate term for what people thought the new steam hardwate would be, yeah.

Though steam won’t lock you to their services.

sneezycat, do gaming w Its been a journey
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

I only made it to the antechamber once, and to the

Tap for spoilerbasement

in the same run, by pure luck. Then I stopped playing cause it seemed like too much work lol. I should pick it back up!

HaiZhung,

It gets easier, there are a lot of knowledge and actual checkpoints

chiliedogg, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

They can’t sell them at a loss without a locked-down ecosystem. Sony learned that the hard way with the OtherOS support for the PS3 that lead to a ton of them being purchased to build cheap supercomputer ls and never spending a dime on games or software to cover the loss.

jj4211,

I think that was overstated. Sure there were some “fun” projects for fun or publicity.

However supercomputer clusters require higher performance interconnect than PS3 could do. At that time it would have been DDR infiniband (about 20 Gbps) or 10 g myrinet.

Sure gigabit was prevalent, but generally at places that would also have little tolerance for something as “weird” as the cell processor.

OtherOS was squashed out of fear of the larger jailbreak surface.

4am,

The US Air Force built the Condor Cluster out of 1,760 PS3s in 2010 which I believe saw some actual use. So more than just publicity stunting.

jj4211,

I think that one was also significantly a publicity thing, they made videos and announced it as a neat story about the air force doing something “neat” and connecting relatable gaming platform to supercomputing. I’m sure some work was actually done, but I think they wouldn’t have bothered if the same sort of device was not so “cool”

There were a handful of such efforts that pushed a few thousand units. Given PS3 volumes were over 80 million, I doubt Sony lost any sleep over those. I recall if anything Sony using those as marketing collateral to say how awesome their platform was. The losses from those efforts being well with the marketing collateral.

Cethin,

IIRC, the Deck, at launch, had a limit per Steam account, and it had certain requirements. There’s no reason they couldn’t do something like that here. Sure, it makes it harder to convert console players if they do the same technique, but it could be restricted sales based on something.

Leberkas, do games w Valves first title with a 3 in it

SteamOS 3 has been out since the steam deck released

PieMePlenty, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

Isn’t quest 3 sold at a loss? Selling similar hardware at no loss will present a challenge.
Though, at the same time, there’s not much wrong with making low quantities of something and selling them at a profit, slowly.

paraphrand, (edited ) do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

I’m aware of Valve being very generous with warranty/replacements of controller hardware for the Index. Even years after the warranty is up. But I think this is because of the major durability issues and known defects that the Index Controllers have.

In any case, Valve seemingly has lost money on a certain percentage of Valve Index kits/controller hardware. Based on how many people I know, including myself, who have gotten replacement hardware from Valve. Sometimes many times for recurring issues.

But I’m not aware of Valve doing the same for the Deck.

Edit: and you can tell they focused really hard on making the new controllers more durable:

  • No charging port to melt
  • durable sticks that won’t start drifting
  • No special finish on the controller that can be worn/scratched away
  • No internal battery to go bad
  • seemingly far fewer delicate parts

Funny point on the melting charging port. 2 years or so after the Index came out, SteamVR started warning using with a status dialog that told users to stop charging their controllers while they use them. They never accounted for long play sessions and people who would want to charge while playing.

USB-C has durability issues when used like that.

owsei,
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Doesn’t the new controller have internal batteries?

pycorax,

I think they’re referring to the Steam Frame controllers, not the Steam Controller.

echodot,

The steam frame controllers use AA batteries, the steam controller has a lithium ion internal battery.

Also it does have a USB port but the primary charging method is via the pogo pins. But obviously you might want to recharge from a wall outlet so they also include a USB port. But that’s obviously going to get used far less often than it would otherwise.

TheKracken, do gaming w Its been a journey

That game should have been called Blue Prints.

poke,

That’s the wordplay they are going for, yes.

TheKracken,
TriflingToad, do gaming w Its been a journey

Celeste fr

JackbyDev, do gaming w Its been a journey

Mama needs some sanctum keys.

JayJLeas, do gaming w Its been a journey

I still have so many puzzles to solve… Every puzzle reveals 3 more… But I love it.

SpicyTaint, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

What the hell is a “loss leader”?

wirelesswire,

An item that is sold to you at a loss in hopes that you buy more profitable stuff from them to make up for said loss. Game consoles are usually sold at a loss in order to get people into their ecosystems, so they can buy things like games and subscription services, which are more profitable.

rafoix,

When a business sells something at a lower price than it costs for the purpose of attracting more customers.

Another example is Costco rotisserie chicken.

ryathal,

A product sold at a loss to attract customers who hopefully buy other products with higher margins that result in a net profit for the retailer.

captain_aggravated,
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Gilette gives away razor handles to men to encourage them to buy their blades.

Inkjet printers are often cheaper than a change of ink cartridges.

I think it was Standard Oil, gave away hurricane lanterns in order to sell kerosene.

Most video game consoles are sold for less than they cost to make because the company expects to earn more in video game sales.

LettyWhiterock, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, I don’t watch either of those youtubers. So I had no knowledge of this.

ggtdbz, do games w Day 486 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

This might have been the last AAA game I was hyped for, bought at full price, and enjoyed within its buzz cycle.

I should play it again.

MyNameIsAtticus,
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It’s a Ubisoft game so if you don’t have a copy anymore you can at least rest assured it will be dirt cheap during the next sale (or of course there’s always other options).

It always struck me as odd that they did that with their games. They’d go from a 60$ release to “here’s a 5$ price tag for a month” almost instantly.

I guess I’m not complaining as it lets me enjoy my guilty pleasure games affordably. But still. Doesn’t strike me as a smart business decision

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