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CrypticCoffee, do gaming w A fifteen year open source effort to remake Dungeon Keeper just hit 1.0

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LedgeDrop, do gaming w A fifteen year open source effort to remake Dungeon Keeper just hit 1.0

Direct link to the remake (KeeperFX) .

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chloyster,

Yeah. It’s unfortunate. I really like Eurogamer, rps, and gamezindustry.biz and all those places. My combo of addons and filters seem to stop the cookie stuff but I know it’s obnoxious if you don’t have that set. Thanks for the link!

TheGreenGolem, do gaming w A fifteen year open source effort to remake Dungeon Keeper just hit 1.0

God how I loved this game. I think 2 was also solid.

scrubbles, do games w CD Projekt quest designer discusses the "challenge" of developing Cyberpunk 2 for Unreal Engine
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I understand why they are, but now that CP2077 is more stable I’m going to miss red engine. It gives night city such a unique feel, and I worry unreal is going to make it feel like all the other unreal games. I’m not a game engineer so I’m assuming that will be much easier, but still, will miss it

Knocturnal,

Unreal games can feel unique it’s just that most use generic default stuff.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

The only reason why an Unreal game looks like an Unreal game is because the developers just use the default settings for environmental lighting and LUTs.

If your intention is to make a game with a specific look you can absolutely create your own lighting and LUTs. You can make an Unreal game look like whatever you want.

Nutteman,
@Nutteman@lemmy.world avatar

Case in point the first Dishonored. Unreal engine, and yet one of the most stylish games I’ve ever played.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

They had such a strong art direction, it was amazing.

cerement, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

“who could’ve seen this coming?”
“everyone. everyone saw this coming.”

Pisodeuorrior,

The CEO should be hanged by the balls, just one disastrous decision after another, what an incompetent moron.

thingsiplay,
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

The CEO of Unity is the former CEO of E.A., BTW.

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

And when he was there he said people should pay $1 to reload their weapons on Battlefield

CJOtheReal,

Ah that explains a lot…

thingsiplay, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

They just need to integrate NFTs into Unity, then it's perfect. A masterpiece.

Conyak, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth

So the CEO makes a shit decision, quits and leaves with his millions of dollars and now a bunch of employees get to lose their job. Capitalism is so disgusting.

ImaginaryFox, do games w CD Projekt quest designer discusses the "challenge" of developing Cyberpunk 2 for Unreal Engine

In terms of performance if the game has the same visuals does Unreal do better in that department than red engine?

UndercoverUlrikHD,

Absolutely not. Their latest version of the RED engine is far better at utilising the resources available than UE5. UE5 is still to some degree limited by its render thread and doesn’t scale as well with more CPU cores the same way CP2077 does.

Most UE5 also seems to launch with major performance issues, and many of the recently launched games will be borked for all eternity as shader compilation stutters aren’t something more powerful hardware will fix.

It’s a real shame that the executives at CDPR doesn’t want to continue investing in the RED engine.

KingThrillgore,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The real reason is obvious why they want to be on UE5: There’s a clear consulting and contractor pipeline, so they can continue to farm out work to Technicolor and Platige.

kromem, do games w CD Projekt quest designer discusses the "challenge" of developing Cyberpunk 2 for Unreal Engine

Aka “we don’t know the engine well enough yet to be aware of bottlenecks during our concepting phase and that’s challenging.”

They haven’t even seriously started on implementation with the engine yet for Cyberpunk. This is somewhat of a nothing article that’s trying to get clicks by making a very normal thing seem like a potential controversy.

Goronmon,

I don’t see where it’s trying to make it sound controversial. Switching game engines isn’t a “normal” thing developers usually do very often, especially after releasing such high-profile games with an in-house engine.

And with how often you see gamers demand developers “just use a different engine” to solve some specific complaint I think it’s reasonable to remind people why that isn’t usually a good idea.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not completely uncommon for a company to transition to a new engine between games when one fails to provide a sufficient solution for where they want to take the sequels.

Or just if daddy EA decides everyone needs to use Frostbite.

Hypx, (edited ) do games w CD Projekt quest designer discusses the "challenge" of developing Cyberpunk 2 for Unreal Engine
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

There's an old adage in programming that you should almost never rewrite everything: https://www.onstartups.com/tabid/3339/bid/2596/Why-You-Should-Almost-Never-Rewrite-Your-Software.aspx

Going from their existing RED engine to Unreal is basically the same idea. Almost nothing from the original Cyberpunk game is going to be easily translated to the new platform. I think CDPR just set their development timeline back by at least 3 years.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

To be fair, in this case there is increased value because eventually the engine work requirements will be significantly reduced.

This isn’t rewrite everything, it’s basically remove a bunch of stuff and rewrite the rest.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

Given how massive their game is, I'm doubtful. So much of what they did in the first game will have to be rebuilt. Compared to just reusing most of the original assets and code, this sounds like a lot more work.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Maybe, it might also be easier to reuse portions of the engine in Unreal Engine while using parts of Unreal (like its rendering engine) than you think though. Assets largely I’d expect to be portable or at least comvertable with a custom asset loader.

I’m talking a little out of my ass though, and neither of us is familiar with the code. Point being though, it’s a little different moving engines than rewriting a complicated web server (a project I have been a part of and would not recommend).

yesman,

set their development timeline back by at least 3 years or more.

This is based on the assumption that they’ll finish the game before releasing it.

NOPper, do games w 34 years later, space sim Krellan Commander is back with a 2.0 release that's sort of FTL meets Dwarf Fortress

Beta tester for the last few years here. Game is great and a ton of things were added/fixed by the lone dev left. It’s definitely a time capsule UI/performance wise but it’s way deeper then you’d think from screenshots or a description.

Recommended!

mojo, do games w "The Next Subnautica" aims to deliver underwater survival spooks in early 2025

Didn’t they say they were don’t making Subnautica like games? I hope not though, I loved 1 and 2.

FrigidAphelion,

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  • mojo,

    I personally loved the building in the game. At least in 2 it was a lot better. Luckily they ported most of the improvements from 2 into the first game.

    FrigidAphelion,

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    I'm in the middle of a Subnautica replay and it's very much "fuck man where is the thing" combined with "I swear that thing was right here last time I played."

    miss_brainfart,
    @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

    I swear to god, half of my most recent playthrough was spent trying to find the last blueprint for the grappling arm

    PlzGivHugs, do games w "The Next Subnautica" aims to deliver underwater survival spooks in early 2025

    That feels awfully soon. I hope they can actually create enough new content for this, as Below Zero felt far too similar to the first. It felt more like a new game plus rather than a full-price sequal.

    Crystal_Shards64,

    Yeah I felt like below zero could have gone without the above land content. It just wasn’t nearly as good as the rest of what they had made. I really missed having the submarine thing too

    FrigidAphelion,

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  • towerful,

    The first time you make the Cyclops and go “woah, that’s big”. When you are welcomed on board. When you walk about and go “oh, engine room. And 6 power cells”, when you flick all the lights on and off, when you have to start the engine, when it steers like a bus and you bonk everything I’m sight. When you first honk the horn. When you learn to drive using the cameras. When you learn you can build in it. When a creature attacks and you drop a bouy.
    So many great firsts with the Cyclops.

    The seatruck was fine. But it didn’t seem to have the personality of the cyclops

    SidewaysHighways,

    Welcome aboard captain

    MrPoopbutt,

    I remember reading somewhere that Below zero was originally intended to be an expansion, but got changed into a standalone release. The subnautica 2 they are working on now is entirely new.

    Fal, do games w "The Next Subnautica" aims to deliver underwater survival spooks in early 2025
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    Is the next one going to support inverting the X and Y axis on the controller? Or is it going to be entirely unplayable as well?

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Kind of a standard option, no doubt. Not sure how that one thing makes it unplayable though.

    Zahille7,

    I personally don’t know anyone, let alone know how anyone plays first-person games with inverted camera controls.

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    I grew up on joysticks and flight simulators so when I got my hands on an Xbox controller to play Halo it felt more natural to me.

    Years later and id switched to normal, and now just use M+K on PC but I understand why someone would want it as an option.

    Zahille7,

    I definitely understand for flight sims and other aviation games like Ace Combat, but it still seems more intuitive to tilt the stick in the direction you want to look, rather than the opposite direction.

    ripripripriprip,

    This is the way. Any time I’m a pilot, it’s invented. Shooter, normal.

    Excrubulent,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    I did the inverted vertical mouse for ages for the same reason, and then one day it just stopped working for me. I think I’d tried other systems and come back to my PC and it suddenly felt wrong. Then I went to normal mouse controls and discovered aiming was more natural and smoother, and I’d probably been sabotaging my aiming by forcing an extra layer of abstraction into it.

    Zahille7,

    That honestly sounds terrible. Part of me is tempted to try playing a game like that just to see how it is.

    Excrubulent,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    It’s weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive, and our brains can learn to make just about any adjustment with enough practice.

    But IRL if you’re physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right, just like the uninverted mouse movement. So you’re spending time IRL learning one movement and time in games learning the opposite movement. I think that’s why inverted was so much worse even though I did it that way from the start.

    Fal,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    It’s weird, I thought of it like leaning back & forward to make it intuitive

    That’s exactly what it’s live and it’s exactly why it’s intuitive and why when games came out, it was the standard.

    But IRL if you’re physically pointing at one spot and want to move your point of aim up and to to the right for instance, you move your hand up and to the right,

    But you’re not pointing in the games. You’re moving the view/camera. So to LOOK up and right (as opposed to point), you lean back and roll to the left

    Excrubulent,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    But you’re not pointing in the games. You’re moving the view/camera.

    You are doing both. They are inherently coupled in this format. But in reality you are not leaning with your hand, you are pointing with your hand, and so the closest 1:1 mapping between movements is uninverted mouse controls.

    Also I don’t know what “roll to the left” means here at all. You’d need to draw a diagram or something if you wanted me to understand that part. Your words alone are not enough to convey it.

    Fal,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    I don’t know how anyone doesn’t. You’re controlling a camera. It’s how cameras/views have been controlled since graphics were invented. Just like when controlling a camera, to look up and left you would pull down and right.

    Zahille7,

    Not sure if the only cameras you’re thinking of are tv/movie cameras or not, but cameras have been controlled non-invertedly for as long as I can remember.

    Fal,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    What? Literally all cameras are controlled invertedly. It’s literally how human biomechanics work too. To look up, you tighten the muscles in the back of your neck, pulling your head back

    Fal,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    Try playing a platformer where left moves your character to the right, and right moves left. AND down moves them up and up moves them down. You’d see how that’s unplayable, right?

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait do you actually want your X axis inverted too?

    I think you’re just weird, dude. Adjust.

    _dev_null,
    @_dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz avatar

    Wait do you actually want your X axis inverted too?

    Baldur’s Gate 3, its camera x-axis is inverted by default (Q looks right, E looks left).

    Took me a while, but I adjusted.

    Fal,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    Of course, how does it possibly make sense to only invert 1 axis? That seems to be the crazy option. Subnautica actually does support only inverting 1 axis (is it Y? Not sure), but not both.

    In super mario 64, you click C left to look right because you’re controlling the camera. Just like every other game ever, you’re controlling a camera. Whether you’re looking at the back of the head of your character or not. When you’re using motion controlled aiming, and you have to look up and to the left, what do you do? You pull back on the controller, and rotate the device to the right. It’s crazy to me that you would use different motion when you’re controlling with a joystick versus controller physically

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Sounds like it’s just what you grew up on, which as I explained I understand. It felt more natural to me to just use inverted Y axis because of flight sims, but Eventually I just changed because the times changed and standards changed. I didn’t want to be the guy that had to go in and change his settings whenever someone passed me a controller so I just adapted.

    Weirdfish,

    Dont know about PC but it has invert on PS4 cause I always play w Y inverted.

    If its on PC, I have to assume there is a setting in controller software to allow for it even if the game doesnt.

    Fal,
    @Fal@yiffit.net avatar

    It only has inverting of 1 axis, not both.

    I had to hack it in steam’s controller remapping. But that shouldn’t be necessary, just provide the completely normal option.

    LaunchesKayaks, do games w "The Next Subnautica" aims to deliver underwater survival spooks in early 2025
    @LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

    This one best be co-op

    Death_Equity,

    Best I can do is a battle royale.

    Kaldo,
    @Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

    I'm tempted to agree but on the other hand, I'd rather see the budget go towards a better game than designing for coop. The first one wouldn't be atmospheric at all if you had a laggy friend floating around you all the time.

    Plenty of other survival games that have coop and are better suited for it.

    kratoz29,

    I wait for the co-op return, only Nintendo keeps this going in a wider scheme.

    Nelots,

    Split screen maybe, but there are absolute loads of indie games released each year with co-op.

    rambaroo,

    Why do people want everything to be co-op

    MossyFeathers,

    Because it’s fun to play games with friends?

    LaunchesKayaks,
    @LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

    I think survival games are better with friends

    BlinkerFluid,
    @BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

    Normies and their friends.

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