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lowleveldata, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell

If games are art then we shouldn’t censor them

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks,

It’s not the games they’re talking about.

Samdell,
@Samdell@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Culling out hate speech isn’t censorship.

TimLovesTech,
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

And the far right using free speech/censorship as a cover for hate speech is always in bad faith.

DdCno1,

Consider reading the article.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

RTFA before replying

lowleveldata,

Why did you removed my comment? Was it hate speech?

TheV2, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell

Who or what is actually the authority that decides which symbols used by Nazis are now owned by them? What are the factors to get saved (besides money)?

NigelFrobisher, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell

NataliePortman.gif: to remove them, right?

Sundial, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell

What industry standards is he talking about here? Steam code of conduct only says you must engage in lawful behaviour. There’s no American law banning far-right symbols. There’s no doubt Steam has a content moderation issue and I would love to see those things go as well. But unless there’s some kind of law then Valve is just going to ignore this problem like they’ve done in the past.

navi,
@navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

Well, name another game platform that openly allows swastikas. I think they are saying the rest of the industry largely doesn’t allow this so Valve shouldn’t either.

Sundial,

No other gaming platform has the userbase Steam does. I see this more of a numbers thing than anything else. If 2% of the gaming population is far right then it’s going to be much more noticeable when one company has a userbase of ~100million. I’d be very surprised if the other companies like Ubisoft and EA have this kind of content moderation.

barsoap,

I have a steam account. I write like half a review and maybe a handful of comments a year, talking mechanics. The amount of people who don’t even lurk because they are there to play games has to be absolutely overwhelming.

Fiivemacs,

Do American streets count as a platform?

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Roblox. It’s a game but also a platform in a sense. It’s full of kids running around yelling racial slurs, kicking users with dark coloured avatars, and lots of far right content. It is like a grade school run by 4chan.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

i mean if Roblox is any indication, Valve will probably bend the knee sooner or later. government scrutiny is obliging them to make changes and actually do even basic moderation over there:

The fast-growing children’s gaming platform Roblox is to hand parents greater oversight of their children’s activity and restrict the youngest users from the more violent, crude and scary content after warnings about child grooming, exploitation and sharing of indecent images.

The moves comes after a short-seller last month alleged it had found child sexual abuse content, sex games, violent content and abusive speech on the site. In the UK, Peter Kyle, the secretary of state for science and technology, told parliament: “I expect that company to do better in protecting service users, particularly children.”

DieserTypMatthias, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell
@DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml avatar

I have it all censored and replaced by hearts.

Samdell, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell
@Samdell@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Steam has had, for a long time already, a massive far-right community. Browse its communities and you’ll see the most deranged racist, transphobic, homophobic posters. The entire SweetBaby harassment campaign started - and as far as I know, is still going - thanks to a huge Steam curator, and there are even more “Anti-Woke” groups explicitly dedicated to harassing minorities. Last year, Hogwarts Legacy had a intense campaign and won the Best Game on Steam Deck award due to the brigading of these “anti-woke” fans - and you most likely can still look into its community to witness their efforts - and there are still those on the Tabletop Simulator communities that are outspoken about the devs “bending the knee” by removing global chat from their game in an effort to reduce harassment against queer people.

Basically, its a cesspool of the worst gaming has to offer, but none of this affects Valve’s bottom line, who continues their usual business practice: Don’t interfere and do the minimum amount of work. Is it illegal? Perhaps not. But their inaction makes it clear that this is a safe spot for hateful conduct.

TachyonTele,

I made the mistake of looking at the Spider-Man discussion board. The entire first page, minus like three posts, was all idiots complaining about pride flags.

averyminya,

Sadly it’s like that for pretty much any game.

On the bright side, a lot of them are bots just trying to influence real people. Unfortunately, it is people who made these bots who probably do have that hatred. And of course, not all of them are bots…

Remember to check the discussion board posts themselves (each comment), if there is a mouse icon, it means they own/play the game. If there is no mouse icon, they do not.

With this in mind, you’ll notice the bot propaganda posts 90% of the time have not played nor own the game. At least on Steam, they may have pirated the game to play it, then decided to post on discussion boards about how empathy and recognizing of othe- sorry, “wokeness” is killing gaming.

It’s so stupid how hatred stifles discussion. Ironically hating the things just makes them focus on it more.

TachyonTele,

My favorite is when people ask “Is this game dead?” and it’s a five year old single player game. What are you thinking?

Midnitte,

Also have noticed the “anti-woke” “curator”.

It’s simply amazing. Imagine not buying a game because the protagonist is a woman. If you don’t want to play Control, you’re missing out.

theangriestbird,

just a cesspool of rizzless dudes trying to impress other rizzless dudes with how edgy they can be by shrinking their worldview.

SweetCitrusBuzz, do gaming w Valve must address swastikas and other hate on Steam, writes US senator in a letter to Gabe Newell
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

We’ve come across it all too often, even personally been attacked before just for asking a game to fix its pronoun usage before.

Now we just don’t bother saying anything and keep reporting until something is done.

slimerancher, do games w SteamWorld makers announce 100 layoffs, cancel projects, and say they'll publish more games by other studios - but fewer of their own
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a very sad news. Love their games.

TachyonTele, do games w SteamWorld makers announce 100 layoffs, cancel projects, and say they'll publish more games by other studios - but fewer of their own

That sucks. From what i know they’re basically a family/friends business though, maybe they got too big for themselves.

frostycore, do games w DayZ creator reveals a "Kerbal Space Program killer" with kittens and challenges license owners to sue him

There already is a KSP killer… it’s killed KSP2, it killed the franchise…

Mercuri,

I never buy games before reviews but bought KSP2 early access. It was so bad I returned it less than four hours later. I joke they put more effort into the ads than the game itself.

I think what really confused me is that I saw a demo of KSP2 at PAX East several years ago. The game we got looked no different than that demo. I was like, wtf have they been doing all this time?

TachyonTele, do games w DayZ creator reveals a "Kerbal Space Program killer" with kittens and challenges license owners to sue him

Says they want to add n-body physics.
So it’ll never be finished, thanks for the heads up.

CheeseNoodle,

If the planets are static and its just the ship that has to calculate N-body physics then its a pretty simple summing of vectors. It only becomes a problem when you have multiple non-static bodies that interact with eachother being simulated.

Mercuri,

I don’t know about that. KSP has a mod that adds N-Body physics so it’s not some momumental obstacle.

random_character_a, do games w DayZ creator reveals a "Kerbal Space Program killer" with kittens and challenges license owners to sue him
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

The day KSP was sold to Take Two, I packed KSP with best mods and made a stadalone version of it. No more updates, no more DLCs. Still playing that. “Success” of KSP2 was guaranteed and I could ditch the future of the entire frachise.

Best of luck.

Revan343,

So, uh…link?

random_character_a,
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

To what?

ColonelThirtyTwo,

The “standalone version with the best mods” you made I assume

Artyom, do games w DayZ creator reveals a "Kerbal Space Program killer" with kittens and challenges license owners to sue him

If you want to sell a new IP, “From the creators of Day Z” is not a good angle to start with

L0rdMathias, do games w DayZ creator reveals a "Kerbal Space Program killer" with kittens and challenges license owners to sue him

Oh boy! I’m so excited to wait months for an update to a buggy mess for the update to simply adds a new texture for cans of beans and a new style of jeans.

DarkThoughts,

It's not developed by Bohemia.

Amputret, do games w DayZ creator reveals a "Kerbal Space Program killer" with kittens and challenges license owners to sue him
@Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah, no. Rocket can go fuck himself.

DrSleepless,

King of starting games and never finishing them

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