I was watching a YouTube series recently about situations like this… online games that were pretty decent and still had servers but only 3-4 people a week signed on. Pretty entertaining.
Yeah, it’s different because this game is apparently horrible. I’m sure not all the games he reviews are good, either… just that they’re theoretically viable and exist but hardly anybody plays them.
TL;DR: Employees say his actions led to a lot of direction changing that forced management to scramble, and the lower workers had to bear the brunt of this. They also complained that OW2 needed more work or would be review bombed on Steam and his leadership refused. Shareholders are still happy to fellate him though because he made them a lot of money.
I’m genuinely worried for Bungie and Destiny 2. It’s like “We get it, we let our players down. We are going to fix it by firing the current CEO and hiring Bobby Kotick…”
Do you really think they’d dig themselves out of the Sony-shaped hole they’re in by Final Shape even if left entirely to their own devices anymore? I lost anything I had for Bungie when they wanted to try and pin the reason for their layoffs on ‘the players not spending enough’ with the prices they already charge for base admission.
I’ve seen that they understand players are leaving in droves, but I’ve seen no indication that they know why. Every single thing they’ve said an done since the last DLC has been exactly the opposite of what makes the game fun for me. I went from spending way, way, way too much time each week to spending virtually none in a single season… And I haven’t even checked on the game since the second week of this season. It’s really sad.
Bobby going to Bungie is only an uncomfirmed rumor.
However, I will never forgive Bungie.
They did Marty and Joe dirty, Marty by trying to rescind his company shares and Joe for the way Jason Jones treated him in Destiny 1s developement
They absolutely ruined Destiny 1 and 2, though 2 far more than 1
They deleted content that I paid for without my permission, removing my ability to choose to access it (this is when I stopped playing Destiny altogether)
They’re tarnishing Marathon’s good name by making it a PvEvP extraction looter shooter
“We want you to throw money at the screen” famous quote (they really thought it was a good idea to say that)
If Bobby does become CEO there, I would not be surprised. But I actually dont think its possible for Bungie to get any lower.
Oh, I missed this announcement. I heard about the ability to decline wi-fi matches, which is much more important, IMO, so this is good to hear. It also sounds like crossplay includes PC this time. It's pretty strange to see an American developer further behind on supporting PC than their competition, but here we are. Looks like it's time to check this game out again. Wi-fi players were unbearable.
Valve has wrapped the banhammer in tinsel, adding a lovely Christmassy flavour to their anti-smurfing actions. Players who have been banned for smurfing are finding a Highly Toxic Lump of Coal in their accounts, a ‘Seasonal Reward’.
Isn’t that what sca- uhh, I mean super legit game devs normally do? Suddenly the scope was neeeever that big! You just think you remember all’ those claims that are still visible! No one actually said things you can prove they did!
I feel like this has happened numerous times already and somehow it surprises people every time. Like, there are channels on YouTube that only cover this sort of thing and have days of content.
Like CDPR changing Cyberpunk from RPG to Action-adventure. At least the game didn't release at that point though, but still. I mean Destiny even gets called an MMO when it isn't. Genre is kind of misused a lot, people just need to stop buying or getting invested in games that haven't even released.
I saw that announcement video when it first came out and was super hyped for The Division. I didn’t end up playing it until around 2019 and I was really impressed with how close to the trailer the actual gameplay was. I know it had some controversy, but I guess I’m easy to impress lol
Ah, that’s fair. I’m a pretty casual player and didn’t really go deep beyond the medium skill levels, so I didn’t really appreciate the cut-corners beyond that. I hardly even played much multiplayer TBH, I played and loved the single-player campaigns, which is what I tend to do on most games :D
No, you are saying that you are entitled to an developers code if they leave a project just because they let you test it. You are acting/being entitled as fuck.
Engywuck ( @Engywuck ) True… It amazes me when people become so entitled online, especially in the FOSS community. It looks like they think devs owe them something.
jarfil ( @jarfil ) They got free testing for the promise of releasing the source, then failed to fulfill that promise, so… yeah, they do owe those people something.
You are saying that getting people to do work for you by promising them something in return, means nothing, that you can break that promise whenever you want.
No, I’m a foss dev, and I speak for all of us when I ask you to please not join any of our communities.
Also I’m calling you out. You need to put up or shut up evidence of where that developer said that he would release his code as open source. And that he would do it in return for you testing it.
The promise I’m referring to, is to “release the code”.
(long version)I understand the thought process of people not wanting to show how messy their pre-production code is… but that’s why, following semver rules, you mark it as a version “0.x.y”. It’s not an exam, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, anyone who’s written code knows that’s how things work, and it’s on the community to be understanding of this, so the “initial dev” of an open source project should feel confident in releasing a tangled mess, no less no more.
Promising the code, then disappearing without giving a community that’s invested in the project a chance to take over, is what I find fishy.
I’ve nothing to say more on topic. Off topic, people may be quite different and even if objectively there should be nothing bad in releasing pre-production, they may find it sensitive + there might be someone to actively offend for that. I only encountered the former, luckily
So I just ran across this, after leaving a comment in that same thread. Posting it again here to try and add some sanity back to this discussion:
Okay, but there’s a line here somewhere. Pushing for new features and complaining in the issue tracker that a bug hasn’t been fixed soon enough is absolutely entitlement. Expecting someone to follow through on their word and release the source code is another thing entirely. Especially if they make the decision to stop working on it.
Go check out this EoL statement from the developer of Nomie. He open-sourced the code without even being asked too.
As far as I know the developer never actually said he would release the source. That is purely hearsay from @jarfil. He seems to think that if an app or program is free then it also must follow that it’s open source.
@Scary_le_Poo and @jarfil: if the two of you have a disagreement on another thread, please work it out between the two of you like adults there; don’t spill it over into other, unrelated threads.
@Scary_le_Poo, these types of personal attacks are not acceptable on beehaw. It is possible to disagree while still being kind and without resorting to angry or abusive language. Please try to remember beehaw’s guiding principal when interacting with others in the future.
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