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LaserTurboShark69, do games w Legendary Half-Life YouTuber plans class-action lawsuit against Ubisoft for killing The Crew

Fuck yeah Ross

ohlaph, do games w Legendary Half-Life YouTuber plans class-action lawsuit against Ubisoft for killing The Crew

That aldo happened to Bomberman. To play locally, it needs to connect to a server. The servers are no longer active, and as a result, the game isn’t playable.

B0NK3RS, do games w Legendary Half-Life YouTuber plans class-action lawsuit against Ubisoft for killing The Crew
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

Stuff like this is always welcome.

yZmHGnHnaB, do gaming w Half-Life YouTube legend Ross ‘Accursed Farms’ Scott, of Freeman’s Mind, is planning a lawsuit against Ubisoft over The Crew’s shutdown.
@yZmHGnHnaB@sh.itjust.works avatar

Seems like a pointless lawsuit and a waste of time, but I see where he’s coming from.

phillaholic,

I disagree that it’s pointless. You never know what a Judge is going to decide.

ampersandrew, do gaming w Half-Life YouTube legend Ross ‘Accursed Farms’ Scott, of Freeman’s Mind, is planning a lawsuit against Ubisoft over The Crew’s shutdown.
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

I came across this video yesterday, and I'm 100% on board with Ross and his stance toward games as a service, but this isn't a plan for a lawsuit; it's asking for help in creating the plan. I hope he can make something happen, because games as a service is going to leave a wake of destruction in the history of video games, but temper your expectations.

HeartyOfGlass, do gaming w Half-Life YouTube legend Ross ‘Accursed Farms’ Scott, of Freeman’s Mind, is planning a lawsuit against Ubisoft over The Crew’s shutdown.

“I think the argument to make is that The Crew was sold under a perpetual license, not a subscription, so we were being sold a good, not a service,” Ross says in his latest video. “Then the seller rendered the game unusable and deprived it of all value after the point of sale. It’s possible that argument won’t hold up either, in which case I think there’s no possible way to stop this practice, at least in the United States. But to the best of my knowledge, this angle has never been tested in court and might actually have some teeth."

It’s a good point. Interested to see how this unfolds.

Modva, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

The thing is that this guy is not the head of a public company where shareholders demand massive and continually growing profits. So he acts in the interests of the consumer, the customer, the gamer. But if this was a public company, shareholders would buy shares and then demand he do something to grow that share price, so they can sell the shares later for profit.

When that happens we see that CEOs do everything they can to maximize profits, like promising release dates in earnings calls.

The difference between private and public companies is the single biggest threat to us all because as soon as the company acts in the exclusive interest of profit, everything else gets fucked. And most do.

That means employees, customers, everyone. Only the 1% benefit from the gutting of everyone else.

GlitchZero,

I mean yes, but also no. I work at a private company and profits seem to be the only thing to get anyone with a title to move their ass.

Most Directors or below have their teams, or customers, or the product front of mind. But once you get to VP seats they just… don’t, it seems.

And this is super anecdotal, I know, but… basically my point is private vs public doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

This guy is just a good guy. He knows what matters to people and speaks from his heart, not his wallet.

Modva,

Those top level folks are sometimes “incentived” by bottom line targets and other end targets. So sure, you do get greedy people inside private companies.

I don’t think shareholders driving for infinite profit is easily disregarded.

wildginger,

Thats either because your boss privately wants to hoard wealth, or is trying to set the books up for a clean sell.

Public means you sacrifice everything in the name of profit.

Private means you operate on the ideals of the private owners.

A private owner can have ideals of profit. A public company cannot have idealistic shareholders.

AngryCommieKender,

Publicly traded, aka private property, means you operate on the ideals of private owners, sacrificing everything in the name of profit.

Publicly owned means almost the opposite, but almost nothing is publicly owned in the US at this point.

Private property ≠ personal property.

wildginger,

I dont think you responded to the right comment, Im talking about the difference between types of companies, not property.

AngryCommieKender,

I’m also talking about different company structures, and how they relate to the type of property that they are.

wildginger,

Ah, in that case I dont think you understand the convo at all

shasta,

It’s clear from context that he was discussing publicly-traded companies because, like you said, there basically are no public companies in the US. Your post is unnecessary and pedantic.

AngryCommieKender,

There should be public companies in the US. Especially utilities.

LwL,

Technically public still means you act in the interests of the owners, aka shareholders (at least in germany anything else is illegal), it’s just that naturally that will always be profit for the majority.

Nomad,

Maybe turn the AAA stock into a meme stock, have gamers buy that shit up and give reduced game prices to stock holders to incentivise gamers to buy them. Et voila, No demand for profit that costs quality in the gaming experience.

INeedMana,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

The difference between private and public companies is the single biggest threat to us all

Nah. One does not build a company to provide a service but to earn money. “Well-being of the company” only matters if you are sure you can sell it for more if you grow it more

MJKee9,

There are a hundred different reasons to start a company other than to make profit. Don’t be fooled by the lies of market capitalism. Some people want to create a legacy that generates income for themselves and their employees, maybe even their children. Not everyone is looking to sell to the highest bidder. With that said, the bigger the company, especially if they plan to go, or already are, publicly traded, or are owned by private equity firms whose sole focus is profit and value of the entity the more likely the assumption is true.

Modva,

There are many different reasons than to pursue continually escalating profits.

banazir, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

Wait, a CEO said that? What’s the catch?

Lesrid,

He’s a CEO of a relatively small company that is product focused. He has yet to grow and focus margins in any serious way.

Duamerthrax,

Larian is privately owned. They don’t have stockholders to appease with short term gains.

echodot,

Which is weird because they remain shareholders for years, so you’d have thought they want long-term gains.

I think I’ve come to the conclusion that “businessmen” are just idiots.

Duamerthrax,

They’re gambling addicts

TomAwsm,

you’d have thought they want long-term gains.

They do. They just also want short-term and medium-term gains.

blazeknave,

Incorrect. The shareholders are the private owners. They’re just not gambling douchebags trying to make themselves short term gains. :D

Draedron, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Was it Raphael or which BG3 boss said this?

stewsters,

The one with the heavy armor.

520, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

I mean, no shit.

These days we are expected to be subscribed to tons of shit, including stuff that simply doesn't justify subscriptions. We know it's not a benefit to us, but to the companies that dish them out.

BarrierWithAshes,
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Not to mention the sheer amount of amazing indie games coming out lately. Why even check out this gacha and subscription games?

520,

This too! So many genuinely good games at genuinely good prices. This is true even on Switch, where Nintendo is known to put AAA efforts into genres otherwise filled entirely with indie games (not to mention the Nintendo tax)

Essence_of_Meh,

Just wanted to mention that just like with any other F2P games, there are gacha titles that are fun without paying anything. Not as many as the predatory kind but still.

Speculater,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I think the worst one I’ve seen recently was a note taking app on Android. Developer made a glorified PDF reader you could write on and wanted $10 to use the fucking app annually. I hope that dev ends up homeless and broken.

520,

Jesus fucking Christ, why not charge a subscription for notepad.exe while you're at it.

The worst I've personally seen was a subscription for an Android launcher. No actual cloud services attached and no way to pay outright. They wanted for a subscription for an app that launches other apps.

EmergMemeHologram, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Ironically I had to buy a subscription to Nvidia to play BG3 on Mac with my friends because they silently delayed the Mac release on release day for 3 months.

I tried running it on Linux, game posting toolkit, and windows via parallels (another subscription, yay), and I could not fix the invisible textures.

They’ve since launched the game fully but it was upsetting they reneged on their release without so much as a word multiple times.

It’s a very good game now that it works for me.

Scipitie,

Weil if that isn’t the consequences of your choices.

Seriously I’m sorry for you individually that you were delayed that way - it reminds me of my fellow Linux gamers complaining about incompatibility though - while running Nvidia cards.

Macs are amazing pieces of hardware - and the price one pays is that one has to accept that some devs don’t want to climb the wall into that walled garden.

EmergMemeHologram,

Weil if that isn’t the consequences of your choices.

So it’s my fault that a studio with a good history, knowledge of the platform and has worked directly with Apple on their last game, with a working public beta running on my machine, decided to delay release without any announcement?

Larian are generally great, BG3 is awesome, the release comms were shit.

Scipitie,

Yes?

Last time I checked working with and for apple platforms is a pain. A release delay after a public test as you described is a strong pointer in that direction - or do you claim that was done out of spite?

Every (your currency) spent on apple supports this holier than you attitude.

iamtherealwalrus,

How is this relevant to the article?

SouravSatvaya, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions
@SouravSatvaya@lemmy.world avatar

Ubisoft: Whatever, hold my subscription.

I hope they don’t say gamers need to pay a subscription fee to keep their purchased games.

CoolSouthpaw, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Good. This guy is not a piece of shit then, unlike that other guy who runs Ubishit.

echodot,

We have nothing to worry about because no one wants to play ubisoft games already, I already bought Assassin’s Creed seven times I don’t want to do it again.

echodot, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Oh dear he’s not been a good CEO is he, he isn’t talking out his arse at all.

beebarfbadger, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 boss says gamers don’t want mass subscriptions

Corporations want gamers to want mass subscriptions because they want to rent out their games forever instead of getting only a single payment for their product. And then they find flimsy excuses to push subscriptions for products that do not warrant subscriptions but are mutilated to squeeze some way of adding subscriptions into them. And then the corporations let games without subscriptions fail while pretending that subscription-based services are delivered because there’s demand and not because they don’t want to deliver finished products that don’t generate easy endless trickling revenue streams.

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