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absquatulate, do games w Ubisoft EULA demanding consumers destroy delisted games adds fuel to Stop Killing Games movement

IANAL but wasn’t that text just some “standard” legalese relating to the way they license software and it was basically unenforceable anyway? I know it’s cool to pick on ubisoft for being a shit company, but BG3 had a similar requirement in the game’s EULA: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/35f2d0ff-69f1-4dea-95ba-79e0154893a8.png

Same for GOG iirc, but I’m too lazy to search.

bright_side_,
@bright_side_@lemmy.world avatar

Nice observation. Nonetheless it is wrong in any circumstance.

ImplyingImplications,

I can’t find it on GOG’s but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in most EULAs. I’ve seen emails saying “confidential, if you are not the intended recipient of this email you must delete it.” There’s no way to enforce that. Ubisoft isn’t coming to your house to review the contents of your drives. I’m guessing it’s to stop some loophole like “you said I can’t resell your game so instead I sold my hard drive (that has the game installed on it)”.

nightlily,

It’s why no legitimate site is reporting this, because it’s nonsense rage bait.

Nighed,
@Nighed@feddit.uk avatar

That’s saying that if YOU stop the agreement, you have to delete the game though.

mriswith,

That’s one way to tell everyone that you didn’t understand the comment.

Nighed,
@Nighed@feddit.uk avatar

Care to explain then?

I didn’t want to dig out the EULA for more context of that snippet.

HereIAm,

I read it the same way you did. If you want to terminate the EULA, then they request you remove your copies of the game. In that snippet it says nothing about them arbitrary demand you delete all your copies.

kurcatovium,
@kurcatovium@piefed.social avatar

Exactly this. And it's kind of logical actually, when you go crazy like writing Larian "fuck this shit I hate the game, you can shove it up your ass" it's no surprise you're fed up with the game and don't want to have it anymore. It's like when you literally destroyed diskette/CD/DVD back then in a rage (or fighting addiction).

Blueberrydreamer,

They both are. Both agreements can be terminated for any reason. Larion’s says nothing that would prevent them from terminating the agreement, it only clarifies that the signer can. There’s no real difference here.

Klear,

This being “standard legalese” sounds fine to you?

Maalus,

Gog doesn’t have this. They specifically market it that you get to download a binary install and keep the game forever.

pupbiru,

yes but there’s still a EULA you agree to about redistribution and how you’re allowed to use the software etc…even FOSS software has licenses. if there’s terms in there about being able to back out of the agreement, i’d imagine there would be a clause about destroying copies of the software

that all seems very reasonable

newthrowaway20,

Yep I believe that’s what this is. I’ve seen clauses like this in other stuff too. Pretty boiler plate. Not like they can actually enforce it.

ayyy,

Then why the fuck did they write it?

newthrowaway20,

Because a good lawyer looks for any sort of far reaching authority they can legally get away with, and will continues to push boundaries as legally far as they can until they get challenged. All in the name of protecting their clients from liability.

I don’t like it, but I get it. And these things can fall apart when challenged in court or public opinion.

Makes me think of the guy who died from an allergy at Disney land and Disney tried to say he couldn’t sue because of his Disney plus agreement.

Lawyers put in all kinds of legal clauses specifically to try and avoid any and all liability on anything imaginable or unimaginable. Most times it’s beyond what anyone would call reasonable. But we aren’t dealing with reasonable people.

Say I broke a game disk that they told me I had to destroy and I cut myself on it, deep enough to need medical attention. I wonder if I could sue them for the costs, since they specifically told me I had to break my game.

chakli,

Isn’t the conditions quite different, from your screenshot, you get to devices if you want to terminate. But in the other case, they decide.

AnarchistArtificer,

It seems like the relevant section in the Ubisoft EULA says

“Upon termination for any reason, You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession.”

I read this wording of this to be stricter than the BG3 example you shared, because the BG3 one seems to be saying “if you don’t agree to this EULA (or if you agree, but later terminate that agreement), then you must uninstall the game”. Whereas the Ubisoft one seems to include Ubisoft terminating the agreement, rather than just the user. That’s just my interpretation of these snippets though, as someone who is not a lawyer. It’s possible that the BG3 EULA also includes other parts that would mean similar to what people are unhappy about on the Ubisoft EULA

CheeseNoodle,

afaik both are unenforceable since you can only read them after paying for the product.

dbtng, do games w Ubisoft EULA demanding consumers destroy delisted games adds fuel to Stop Killing Games movement
@dbtng@eviltoast.org avatar

Never buying Ubi again. Doesn’t matter what the game is. Fukem.

RandomStickman, do games w Ubisoft EULA demanding consumers destroy delisted games adds fuel to Stop Killing Games movement
@RandomStickman@fedia.io avatar

Here I though offline mode for The Crew 2 was a small step in the right direction or an olive branch. This is what I get for being optimistic I guess lol

0li0li,

I’ll believe it when I see it.

criss_cross, do games w Ubisoft EULA demanding consumers destroy delisted games adds fuel to Stop Killing Games movement

Jesus Christ that’s like comic book super villain bad.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Ubisoft is the Shredder of game companies. Evil, but ultimately their plans would fall apart even without the Turtles intervening because they are just awful.

Lost_My_Mind,

Shredder never even has defined plans. Now granted, I was a kid in the 80s. If the new series is different, I don’t know. I didn’t even see the micheal bay movies. I saw the original cartoon, the first 3 movies, and the “coming out of our shell” tour.

Shredder always just kind of showed up, and maybe robbed a jewelry store. Or kidnapped April and that skinny news reporter guy.

There never seemed to be a plan. It was always just vague “do crime and evil shit…”

Then they introduced the mafia, who for some reason just liked tickling everybodies feet.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I only know the OG cartoon and movies, myself. Shredder wasn’t even the true villain in the OG cartoon after a certain point; he became Krang’s bumbling henchman in like the second or 3rd season. Krang, being the literal brains of the operstion had plans and Shredder, well… Shredded them.

jacksilver,

So I ended up reading up on the original comics because I knew they were a bit darker than the cartoons. It seems shredder is only in volume 1 of 4. In it he’s basically a New York Yakuza boss that kills splinters master. So splinter trains the turtles to kill shredder. After that he does get resurrected once, but after that he stays dead.

Volume 2 cover a full on battle with DARPA (for experimenting on aliens and turtles), Volume 3 has a possible daughter of shredder trying to get revenge, but volume 4 retcons volume 3 and focuses on a future where aliens come to earth and the turtles can roam the streets as “aliens” (which isn’t that weird for the series as aliens first appear in volume 1).

So, yeah, it gets kinda weird.

the_q,

In the original comics the Shredder is killed in the first issue.

maxprime,

Also shredder was kinda cool, even if evil.

Tollana1234567,

they even attempted some propaganda by using a show, mythic quest in the pandemic.

katze, do games w PS5 beats PS4 in monthly players for the first time

Wow, it’s been five years. I wonder how much time did it take for ps4 to beat ps3.

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  • LorIps, (edited )
    @LorIps@lemmy.world avatar

    I think the other aspect is that we have the statistics now. I would assume that the PS2 had more monthly users than the PS3 for quite a long time maybe even up to the PS4. Same with the Wii and WiiU and going farther back quite possibly the NES than the SNES, SNES than the N64, C64 than the Amiga, etc.

    network_switch,

    I think DC Universe Online went free to play before the PS4 came out. Don’t recall any other. PC had a lot of free to play games during the PS3 era though. Shooting games like Crossfire and Americas Army. A ton of free to play MMOs and I think it came out like halfway through the PS3 era, League of Legends

    0ops, do games w Nintendo Switch 2 is already running custom graphics through exploit one day after launch

    🫡

    Poopfeast420, do games w Nintendo Switch 2 is already running custom graphics through exploit one day after launch
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I’m not interested in the Switch 2, but things like that are why I thought about buying one for like a second, just to have a low firmware one.

    Signtist,
    @Signtist@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Yup, my plan was to just buy one and let it sit until something was found. It was just too expensive, though; I can’t warrant that price.

    mic_check_one_two,

    Exactly. It’d be cool to have in a few months/years when the exploits inevitably get patched. But there’s no way for me to justify the purchase at that price point.

    squaresinger,

    I’m considering getting a Switch 1 now. I can find hackable ones for €100 in my area.

    But then again, it doesn’t really do anything I can’t do with my other devices.

    pdqcp,

    Yup, I won’t even bother with it, there are a lot of better options nowadays

    DireTech,

    Yeah that’s the only reason I’ve considered it. However, things have changed a lot since the Switch 1 came out. Existing Switch emulators will likely work well on Switch 2 soon given the similar hardware and the Steam Deck massively raised the bar on what I expect out of a portable system.

    Plus the controller still looks like it sucks for adult hands.

    Luffy879, do games w Nintendo Switch 2 is already running custom graphics through exploit one day after launch

    Now I get why they didnt want there to be physical Cardridges

    This way, there is no way someone can boot it on a day one version if they didnt buy it right now and updated it to v 1.0, effectively making it impossible for normal to use exploits for older versions

    Panda,

    Oh so you can’t buy the physical copy of game for Switch 2? That’s lame.

    Luffy879,

    If you didn’t know, there are still physical cartridges, but these do not have the game, but only a „key” which you can download the game with.

    dangrousperson,

    That is one of the options, that apparently a lot of the 3rd party devs are using. So far, all 1st party Nintendo titles are announced to include the game on the cartridge (not just a key)

    Panda,

    Ah that clarifies a lot actually. I do miss the days where I’d go to a store and buy a physical copy of a game. Then again, they do end up taking up (physical) space of course.

    thatKamGuy,

    There’s a lot of noise and disinformation floating out there, here’s the simplest explanation:

    The Switch 2 will launch with three different types of physical cartridges denoted by serial numbers to describe their purpose:

    LB - The cartridge will work on Nintendo Switch 2 consoles only. LP - Game Key cartridges in which a digital download is required LN - The cartridge will work on both Nintendo Switch 1 and 2.

    Blaiz0r,
    • Are Switch 1 cartridges compatible with the Switch 2?
    • Are digital download games I bought on my account with the Switch 1 playable on the Switch 2?
    TBi,

    Answer to both questions is most are.

    thatKamGuy,
    1. Largely yes, though there are a number of titles which are currently experiencing issues: Official Compatibility Guide
    2. Yes: Official Guide to Transferring Data from a Switch to a Switch 2
    Blaiz0r,

    Awesome thanks

    Stabbitha,

    This information has been available since the console was announced, why are you waiting until after launch to ask questions?

    Yes to both questions.

    haui_lemmy, do games w Nintendo Switch 2 is already running custom graphics through exploit one day after launch

    Device remote bricked in 3…2…1

    thatradomguy,

    Beat me to it. :)

    tobz619, do games w U8: Cheap gaming handheld for under $50 offers long battery life

    Curious! Might pick one up, see what I can make for it :D

    EDIT: On review, I already have a PS Vita that does all of these fairly effortlessly and in a smaller frame with more games.

    Really looking forward to the day we can do PS2/GameCube in a PS Vita form factor

    Jaffa,

    The retroid pocket 5 is kinda that. The Ayn Odin 2 Mini even more so.

    Omegamanthethird,
    @Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

    I plan on trying out the PS2 emulator on my phone since I have a Backbone. Maybe when I get my next phone upgrade, my old phone will be a dedicated emulator.

    vonxylofon, do games w U8: Cheap gaming handheld for under $50 offers long battery life

    As is often the case with such affordable retro handhelds, there’s no internal storage, but two card slots are available. One of these microSD cards should contain the operating system, while the other can be used to store games.

    We have come the full circle. exotech.bm/wp-content/uploads/…/imb-pc-5150.jpg

    Nikls94, do games w U8: Cheap gaming handheld for under $50 offers long battery life

    Based on the system hardware it’s not worth it IMO. Too many limitations with that 1GB of RAM. People with less money who just want to play games and rom hacks would still have a blast though.

    missingno,
    @missingno@fedia.io avatar

    That's plenty for retro emulation, probably even overkill for the systems you can emulate on that RK3326 chip. I've been rocking a Miyoo Mini Plus which I picked up for about the same price two years ago, and that has 128MB RAM.

    You get what you pay for, these obviously aren't meant to be high-end cutting-edge devices, but for the price they're a pretty good deal for all the classics you can play.

    Lost_My_Mind, do games w U8: Cheap gaming handheld for under $50 offers long battery life

    Oh I’m sure tarrifs will bring the price up to $400 and your left testicle.

    Alphane_Moon,
    @Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t live in the US. The price in local currency was close enough to $50.

    zipzoopaboop,

    Considering no ships having been going stateside from China, will Americans receive it at all?

    Coyote_sly, do games w Next gen PS and Xbox consoles scheduled for 2027, tipped by cancelled Blade Runner game

    Good luck with that.

    HeyJoe, do games w Next gen PS and Xbox consoles scheduled for 2027, tipped by cancelled Blade Runner game

    I know it tracks with the release of other consoles, but wow, did this one go fast… I feel like it’s barely been out, but over 6 years have passed and it will be 7 when it releases. I honestly have no idea how they can even improve much from what currently exists anyway. Almost everything I wanted was addressed in the PS5. Guess we’ll see.

    technomad,

    Were you happy with the ps5? Genuinely curious.

    HeyJoe,

    Yes, it improved on every aspect of the ps4. Load times were non-existent, graphics upgrade was good enough, the exclusives were always great. I like a dedicated box for gaming, not that I don’t play pc games as well, it’s just easier to pick up and go on a console especiallywith rest mode…

    I got it a few months after it released, which is how long it took to find one, and at the time i was deciding between building a new PC or getting a PS5 and at the time the PS5 was way cheaper due to GPUs being ridiculously priced. I thought it was a great price for what you got and it’s a solid system. I use it on average once every other day and has given me no issues.

    It was a solid console in every aspect to me. My one complaint is as much as I like the controllers they suffer from stick drift and I have gone through 4 controllers so far. Same goes for every one of my friends so it’s awful.

    technomad,

    Those are all pretty good reasons.

    My experience with all of it was quite a bit different, for reasons that were mostly out of my control, and it affected my overall impression.

    It’s good to know that some people were/are happy with it though.

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