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The_Che_Banana, do gaming w What’s Even The Point Of Xbox Game Pass Now?

I reached game pass saturation a while ago…IMO it turned into basic cable TV with one or two good channels (games) and stuffed full of religious & shopping channels (while still promoting the quantity of games)

sylver_dragon, do gaming w Xbox’s Shift To ‘High-Impact’ Games Is Misguided At Best, Reckless At Worst

“High Impact” like a body hitting the ground at the bottom of a cliff.

_ed, do gaming w Xbox’s Shift To ‘High-Impact’ Games Is Misguided At Best, Reckless At Worst

Insert Anthem and ME: Andromeda here.

ghostface, do gaming w What’s Even The Point Of Xbox Game Pass Now?

Cue death knocking meme

datavoid, do gaming w Xbox’s Shift To ‘High-Impact’ Games Is Misguided At Best, Reckless At Worst

Why would you choose now of all times to double down on Bethesda??

Why not do something useful with Starcraft, Warcraft, or an Activision property like Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk? Bethesda has been proving for the last 8 years that they can’t keep up.

Zron,

Double down on the studio that takes 10 years to make a game, 1 years after their last game.

They’re not the brightest

Corigan,

10yrs and the same 30yr old shitty engine

deeves,

Look, it all looked great on paper years ago when Zenimax Media gave them an evaluation report on the company that was so overvalued it was lawsuit-worthy.

No take backs!

Rentlar,

What I wouldn’t do for an AoE or Halo Wars series game on a StarCraft engine and control scheme…

t3rmit3, (edited ) do gaming w It's Time To Stop Giving Xbox Boss Phil Spencer A Pass (Opinion)

As someone who used to really like Phil, I agree with this. He’s clearly banking on his popularity as a “celebrity” within the gaming community to put a smiling spin on what is a clearly horrible business record.

The question here is not whether Microsoft does the same things that all businesses do (i.e. be evil Capitalist monstrosities that run people’s livelihoods over in the name of investor greed)- that much is obvious.

The question is whether Phil Spencer is actively enabling this behavior and also covering for it- which he is.

And that is why, as the article suggests, people need to stop treating him as anything other than a corporate representative who wants to extract as much value as he can before it all runs into the ground.

MeetInPotatoes, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown

Seems like his job was to “manage” the community in the control sense.

psmgx,

Why else would large companies pay for such positions? It’s a marketing role.

MeetInPotatoes,

Right, but cynics like ourselves need to jump on the proof that we were right to spread our jadedness to the masses.

Umbrias,

Yes that should always be assumed.

match, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown
@match@pawb.social avatar

be community manager manage the community to save the game fired for some reason

QuadratureSurfer, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

Looks like someone setup a petition for Spitz to get rehired. change.org/…/re-hire-the-legendary-community-mana…

thefartographer,

Fuck that, review bomb and refund again!!!

I doubt it would work a second time, but that would be fucking hilarious to watch Sony get slapped twice by their own community.

It would be less funny when the Helldivers II servers suddenly shut down…

mbfalzar,

As funny as that would be I don’t think it would be as funny as when the internet memed Morbius into bombing twice, which was also Sony

thefartographer,

If you haven’t listened the How Did This Get Made episode about Morbius, you owe it to yourself to do that immediately.

They get into some stories about Jared Leto’s antics on set and trying to do improv and it sounds more like an Ambien-induced dialogue than a description of actual human behavior.

webghost0101, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown

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QuadratureSurfer, (edited ) do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown
@QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world avatar

Better/additional info here: gamesradar.com/…/helldivers-2-community-manager-s…

Spitz:

“Generally it’s not a good idea to tell people to refund and leave negative reviews when you’re a community manager. TIL,” Spitz said. “I appreciate all the support and I appreciate even more that everyone can play the game again without restrictions. I knew I was taking a risk with what I said about refunding and changing reviews. I stand by it. It was my job to represent the community, that’s what I did.”

They added: “I wanted to work for Arrowhead because they’re my all-time favorite studio. I got that chance. I’m thankful for that opportunity. I’d happily continue working for them if I had the choice, but that isn’t up to me or anyone else in here. I can walk away happy and I don’t want anyone causing trouble on my behalf, especially not to people I still have a lot of care and respect for.”

This definitely sounds like Sony wanted them out and Arrowhead wanted them to stay.

RandomStickman,
@RandomStickman@kbin.run avatar

He is a bit dickish before the debacle but I also appreciate him jumping on the grenade for telling people to leave bad reviews and refunding.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Truly someone with the strength and courage to be free

Paradachshund, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown

Corpos are incapable of learning the right lessons. I wouldn’t be surprised if the take away from this at Sony was to eliminate internal voices that were against the decision so it’s easier to pull off next time.

UndercoverUlrikHD, do gaming w PlayStation Reversing Course On Helldivers 2 Is Both Smart And A Sign Of How Inept It Is

What’s weird about the whole incident is that anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the PC gaming space could have told you that this is exactly what would happen.

all-knight-party, do gaming w Helldivers 2 Community Manager Seemingly Gone After PlayStation Login Meltdown
@all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

It makes sense. I respect the hell out of the guy for being honest and true of his morals and standing by his community, but I'm sure he knew what he could get into by doing that, and he took the shot anyway. I hope he's just been shuffled around elsewhere and still has a job.

The_Che_Banana,

As a former corporate manager: lol, no. Scapegoats are slaughtered to save those higher on the rungs.

FiniteBanjo, do gaming w It's Time To Stop Giving Xbox Boss Phil Spencer A Pass (Opinion)

Idk, Kotaku isn’t exactly a good source for ethics in this industry. They list something that every single large game company does: buy studios, move talent around, close the old studios. They also talk about how he claims to champion preservation and emulation, something we all agree with.

I vote he stays.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Yeah their head editors just left saying that they were being forced to write lower quality stories and things with agendas. I wouldn’t trust Kotaku much anymore.

Hdcase,

No one’s asking you to trust them.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Just as a heads up, when you post an article, unless otherwise stated, you are telling people that the source can be trusted. So, yes in a way you are asking us to trust them

regul,

It’s an opinion piece. This isn’t reporting. It says “Commentary” up at the top of the article.

I think you can “trust” when someone tells you that their opinion is actually their opinion. That’s the only question of “trust” here.

There’s an op-ed in the NYT right now titled At the Met Gala, Celebrities Are Nearly Nude. Are We Not Aroused? Do you trust that?

dsemy,

They list something that every single large game company does: buy studios, move talent around, close the old studios.

Not every large game company acts this way. This is also not what he did at all - he didn’t restructure the studios after buying them, he closed them and laid off their employees.

They also talk about how he claims to champion preservation and emulation, something we all agree with.

He’s a known liar (just a year ago he claimed Arkane will continue to polish Redfall, now Arkane Austin has closed before giving people DLC they already paid for)

Phil Spencer has been the head of Xbox for a decade, a decade where Xbox consistently got worse. The only smart decision they made this entire time is Game Pass IMO.

FiniteBanjo,

Not every large game company acts this way.

I’d like you to name a large game company that hasn’t done this, I’m not aware of a single one.

This is also not what he did at all - he didn’t restructure the studios after buying them, he closed them and laid off their employees.

Incorrect, employees are being moved to different studios. I’m unaware how many, if any, are being laid off. For example, Roundhouse is being assigned to Zenimax who run Elder Scrolls Online which is admittedly actually a pretty cool game.

He’s a known liar (just a year ago he claimed Arkane will continue to polish Redfall, now Arkane Austin has closed before giving people DLC they already paid for)

A corporate hack who is in touch with what gamers want is still better than some other out of touch corporate shill, as the state of gaming exemplifies every single day. On the subject of Redfall, it’s no surprise that studio got shut down after the incredible failures at launch, they clearly were never qualified to work on the title anyways, and that’s hardly Phil Spencer’s fault.

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

dsemy,

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

Grow up

Here is a response without any quotes, I’m sure their ommision makes this comment much clearer:

Valve hasn’t done this.

At the end of January, Xbox fired 1900 employees:

theverge.com/…/microsoft-activision-blizzard-layo…

It’s Phil Spencer’s fault that they released Redfall at 70$. It is his fault that he promised the game will be polished. It is his fault people who paid for the DLC will never get it.

He also closed Tango, which made a critically acclaimed game.

FiniteBanjo,

Valve has also published 8 games in 10 years. They did acquire Campo Santo studios between 2016 and 2018 which lead to the delayment of Valley of the Gods because Valve put the studio’s members on other projects including Steam, Dota Underlords, and Half Life: Alyx.

dsemy,

They didn’t close Campo Sango though, and haven’t closed other studios they bought historically (like Turtle Rock, which eventually became independent of Valve again and released Back 4 Blood).

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

You asked for an example, he gave you one. Then you try to discredit it with a red herring illogical argument.

You should take your temporary ban and reflect on what is truly important in your life. Because you clearly need some help.

UngodlyAudrey,
!deleted4132 avatar

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

This is a beehaw community you’re posting on. We expect you to bee nice here.

FiniteBanjo,

I’m sorry. You’re right. Feel free to eat my ass.

Gaywallet,
@Gaywallet@beehaw.org avatar

I’ve given you a 7 day temporary ban to reflect on how you might better engage with the community in the future. Bee better

Echinoderm,

Why are we quoting each other? I remember the comment before yours. I made it. Idiot.

Because quoting in a response provides structure to the response that improves readability.

Also, you are posting on a publicly accessible forum, not having a one-on-one conversation. In that context, that fact that you may remember what you said doesn’t mean that it’s not beneficial to repeat it for others.

The “idiot” comment was unnecessarily rude where someone was engaging in what appeared to be a good faith response, and only brings down the tone of your entire post.

FiniteBanjo,

It feels like people do it so commonly while making such weak arguments that it might be a bot trying to parse the prior comment. Feels like it doesn’t have use in any other circuimstance.

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

while making such weak arguments

Perhaps…

Idiot.

Vodulas,

I know you’re banned, but for when you come back, there are several reasons.

  1. It let’s people make a response to specific parts of what you said.
  2. It helps outside folks see the train if thought
  3. For me personally, it helps organize ideas and see the comment response closer together
thesmokingman,

Multiple teams are being cut, at least at Arkane Austin. I don’t know the total heads rolling. Many of my friends are now out of a job. The severance isn’t terrible, at least for some of the engineers. That’s not better than a job, though.

angstylittlecatboy,

Game Pass is a profoundly stupid decision. It doesn’t make it’s money back and now Xbox users are used to not paying for games. And from a consumer perspective, enshittification always eventually happens with subscriptions.

t3rmit3,

I vote he stays.

The article didn’t say he needs to go, they said people need to stop treating him as though he is actually on the side of consumers and employees, rather than investors.

The literal last line of the article is

I hope moving forward Xbox fans and the media hold Spencer more accountable for future mistakes, cuts, and failures.

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