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Eol, do gaming w Half Of PlayStation Players Still Haven't Upgraded To PS5

Sometimes I forget it is a thing.

teawrecks,

PS5 owner here. Me too.

jordanlund, (edited ) do gaming w Half Of PlayStation Players Still Haven't Upgraded To PS5
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

“meaning the other 59 million must still be using the PlayStation 4.”

That’s not what that means.

As of last December there were still 2 million active PS3 users.

playstationlifestyle.net/…/ps3-monthly-active-use…

I’d imagine there’s still a limited number of PS Vita and PSTV accounts too.

usualsuspect191,

I stopped at the PS2…

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think PSN applied to the PS2, started with the PS3.

XTL,

PS2 didn’t have networking apart from the odd firewire port and a very expensive devkit.

BigFatNips,

Pretty sure all the slims had a built in Ethernet port and I think there was an adapter to add them to the original fat ones too

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

I had the original with the expansion, I used to play Tony hawk online

There was no psn back then though, you just plugged in and were good to go

XTL,

Oh, I forgot the slim existed. Interesting that someone took advantage of that.

JackbyDev,

PS2 definitely had online play. I never played online but my friend did.

DebatableRaccoon,

Still the best console of all time so that’s a pretty solid stopping point

30p87,

The best console is still foot with bash.

DebatableRaccoon,

Forgive me while I groan

MeDuViNoX,
@MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hacked Vita is still great.

alucard,

Hacked Vita with RetroArch is so so so much fun!!

steal_your_face,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

Hacked vita is goated

bighatchester,

I love my vita !

Katana314,

I had a lot of fun with my Vita even without hacking it. It had a longer lifetime than people realize, in part through digital sales and indie games that were planning to do PS3/PS4 releases anyway.

jbloggs777,

One of these years my children will discover the PS3 hidden unused in the entertainment center since they were born, and there’ll be 2mil+1. Muhaha.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

When a new generation starts, I hook it up in the living room, move the previous gen to the bedroom, and mothball the oldest gen.

So when I kick off, my kid, or grand kids, are going to discover organized boxes of gaming gear. I’m sure it will be all over whatever passes for social media then. :)

Currently:

Living Room - PS5, Xbox Series X, Steam Deck Dock.

Bedroom - PS4, Xbox One X, Switch.

J4g2F,
@J4g2F@lemmy.ml avatar

I still use my PS3, enough great and cheap games and can play my PS1 and 2 games on the big screen with wireless controllers.

Newer games I play on PC anyways.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Was gonna say, I never bought a PS4. My PS3 is still kicking.

XTL,

I just got a second one because it was peanuts and came with two good controllers while mine are all kind of subtly broken.

I do actually have a PS4 with 5 controllers because once bit. I don’t know if I’ll find the time, but if I feel like playing something stuck on the three like infamous or demons souls, I can.

Maybe I’ll get the 5 one day. And maybe I’ll find that emulation can solve the old title problem.

Rageagainstbelief, do gaming w Half Of PlayStation Players Still Haven't Upgraded To PS5

If they would make them backwards compatible I would be more likely to upgrade it still bugs me that they stopped doing that. I miss my old PS3. That thing was awesome I even installed Linux on it and had emulators working… the good old days.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I have appreciated the backwards compatibility of my Xbox. The studio closures and dearth of games, less so

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Get a PS5 and become less than appreciative about bad backwards compatibility AND studio closures.

Bartsbigbugbag,

It is backwards compatible, though?

Rageagainstbelief,

Yeah my mistake. It is with ps3 games. My default is to think everything is terrible now. It wouldn’t be that hard to support back to ps1 I’d pay extra for the option.

thejml,

You can (and I have) play PS4 games on PS5.

First thing I did when I got the PS5 was buy a bunch of cheap used PS4 games for it.

Rageagainstbelief,

I didn’t realize I was assuming that was over. Well good on them. Long live the used game market!

RizzRustbolt, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

The updates will continue until the free modications stop getting updated.

arefx, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

Bethesda, EA, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard. All companies I no longer spend my money on.

frauddogg, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

ITT: techbros white-knighting for M$FT and BGS so hard that I genuinely believe their fathers might be Xbox Ones

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

How dare you complain about the Treat Providers?!

deeves, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

Reason on why Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout:

Bethesda despises it so much that it’ll never get an update, remaster, or get repacked into an anniversary edition.

No Todds, No Masters

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Given that it was made by a different company, doing anything with it may actually be legally complicated.

VaultBoyNewVegas, (edited )

Yet Bethesda are/were the publishers when it released and Beth owned the fallout IP then and continues to own the IP.

ExfilBravo,

Different company but the same dev tools and game engine.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Isn’t Obsidian also owned by Microsoft? Pretty sure it’s just a matter of Satya Nadella giving the greenlight

JakJak98,

Yes. Which is why there’s so much speculation about the fallout rights being given back to Obsidian for more.

I wouldn’t mind west coast to be taken by obsidian and east coast by beth tbh.

cmbabul,

Naw fuck that, Bethesda gets from Virginia up through New England, I want obsidian to get a crack at the southeast and Midwest

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

based obsidian dying to save new vegas, modern day jesus christ

theonyltruemupf,

Such a weird narrative that Bethesda hates New Vegas. Fallout 3 also doesn’t have a remaster or anniversary edition.

With Bethesda’s blessing, season two of the show likely revolves around New Vegas.

deeves,

Personal conspiracy theory time:

The only reason they are going to New Vegas for season 2, is to lay down a whole bunch of Bethesda-fied revisionist history about the whole Nevada area.

They would want to torch the playing field, and make creating a New Vegas 2 that is worth a damn impossible, in anticipation of the possibility Microsoft might put Obsidian on Fallout too, after Outer Worlds 2.

After the studio closures Microsoft just did? Todd is probably, and absolutely justifiably, scared shitless with Obsidian and MGM Amazon’s ‘friendly’ competition.

rustyfish, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I know, the show came out and everyone is hyped because of that. But maybe put those resources into fixing shit in Starfield?

Caligvla,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Starfield was so forgettable even Bethesda already forgot about it.

deeves,

And you know what? That would be fine.

If they market it as a side experiment, a AA game, priced at $40.

But no, they marketed it as Star Citizen 2.

GoodEye8,

Don’t you know Bethesda? They won’t even fix bugs that are thoroughly documented by the community and take 5 minutes to fix. They’re not going to fix a game that is missing entire features.

Prox,

Starfield can’t be fixed. The game’s issues are rooted in its core - procedurally generated maps, zero-consequence writing, forgettable gunplay. They could fix stuff like base building, giving it an actual purpose, for example. But in order to make exploration and role playing interesting/fun they’d have to effective make a whole new game.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

I’m still optimistic. No Man’s Sky, Cyberpunk, and Fallout 76 took their heaping trash and glued things until it became fun. And Starfield has a lot of really good working pieces that can be salvaged.

But you might also be right. I can’t imagine Bethesda fixing quests or narrative elements.

arefx, (edited )

Cyberpunk had a good story and characters, and basis for a game it just was rushed lut the door unfinished. They actually care about making No Man’s Sky better and delivering on their initial promise, then surpassing it when they initially failed and let everyone down. Bethesda doesn’t care. They just want money. They aren’t going to even consider making starfield a good game unless They add an atom shop first and stuff to spend the money on

RizzRustbolt,

I think you’re wrong about that.

They’d use a seperate currency for a Starfield shop.

TheObviousSolution, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

Shouldn’t they just beg Bethesda to incorporate the script extenders directly into the new releases or the script extender devs to update?

BleatingZombie,

I’m far from an expert with mod development, but this seems like the best way out of the mess they’ve put themselves in. I think modders would come in droves if they made it really easy

Lizardking27, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

No, they’re not.

CloutAtlas, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

Todd Howard: we hear you fans, we are currently working on updates for Morrowind, Starfield and Elder Scrolls Online which will break add-on/mod support and ruin the frame rate for those games instead of just FO4!

VulKendov,
@VulKendov@reddthat.com avatar

Elder Scrolls Online isn’t a Bethesda (BGS) game.

jsomae,

I’d be thrilled to get another Morrowind expansion.

Paradoxvoid,
@Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone avatar

Too bad, you get a battlepass instead!

zeerphling,
@zeerphling@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Are you familiar with Tamriel Rebuilt? The team has been adding content to the mainland of Morrowind for 20 years. They’re technically not finished, but there’s plenty to do.

There’s also Project: Tamriel with Skyrim: Home of the Nords and Province: Cyrodiil. There’s not as much content as Tamriel Rebuilt, but all are being actively worked on.

jsomae,

Yes! Tamriel rebuilt is really cool.

ethanolparty, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game
NoSpiritAnimal,
@NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

Console skyrim mod enjoyers are weeping having to re-download 75 mods because Todd liked the word Creations more.

v4ld1z,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Or weeping because mod creators pulled their mods in protest :(

StaySquared,

lol perfect.

joyjoy, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

I play vanilla. As long as the updates stop my constant crashes on Linux, update away.

trigg,

I play vanilla

constant crashes

Yeah that sounds right.

JokeDeity, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

I mean, I get it, I do, I love modding… But can’t they just not upgrade or even downpatch?

Cethin,

They can. The issue is it’d eventually split the community. Mods that no longer have support will be lost, and the ones that do will either decide it isn’t worth updating each time or have to put up two versions. It also creates needless new work for people, especially the F4SE devs.

JokeDeity,

Damn shame. I hope they don’t touch my baby NV.

KuraiWolfGaming,

Just look at the current state of Skyrim modding.

Aside from some still holding to LE. There are the 1.5.97 SE users and the 1.6+ AE users. And there have been at least one or two more updates in the 1.6 line that also caused more issues and require their own dedicated builds of various mods.

Its fucked

biribiri11,

It’s not that they can’t, it’s that people are getting blindsided by updates to a game which supposedly hasn’t received updates for over half a decade, and downgrading on Steam is a surprisingly huge PITA. The Midnight Ride recommends patching, fwiw.

JokeDeity,

I thought TMR was getting discontinued over this?

biribiri11,

No, fortunately enough. A FO5 written by Obsidian could be released as a bug-free superset of FO4, but includes the whole USA and the moddinglinked people would still be trying to mod FO4.

GBU_28,

Why are they accepting automatic updates???

TachyonTele,

Because the game is old and hasn’t been worked on in years. They’re no reason to even think about turning off updates for it unless you happen to know the random years later update is coming.

But I learned the hard way awhile ago with Xcom 2. They “update” that all the time, but don’t do anything to the game, is just the shitty launcher they keep updating every month.

GBU_28,

Manual updates are the way. Pin your versions.

thingsiplay,

Steam doesn’t have a version pinning. Automatic updates are forced.

biribiri11,

In my particular case, I just didn’t know it was enabled (my modding guide mentioned a way to stop it, but I guess I did it incorrectly). The game hadn’t received updates in half a decade, and I don’t really use Steam for anything else. Apparently, I wasn’t the only one in that boat.

away2thestars,
@away2thestars@programming.dev avatar

How can you even downgrade on steam?

a_wild_mimic_appears,

you download the corresponding depots using the console / steamcmd. Here’s the process using the console.

biribiri11,

Most tutorials I can find involve enabling the steam cli, then using steamdb to look up the “depots” of previous versions and downloading the old update in chunks, then unpacking and copying the old game files to your install location. Not exactly convenient.

wiccan2, do gaming w Fallout 4 Fans Are Begging Bethesda To Stop Updating The Game

This is starting to feel like their way of blocking Fallout London from releasing indefinitely.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

bethesda has historically hated mods and the people who make them. its why their games have such a small modding scene

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

Well the updates to Skyrim, Fallout and lack of modding tools for Starfield seems to indicate that it is now a reality. I seriously cannot fathom why they would sabotage themselves like that. It’s absolutely obvious since at least Oblivion that mods are lifeline and reason for success of Bethesda rpg games yet here we are.

Phoenix3875,

My gut feeling is that the procedural generation thing in Startfield somehow absorbs some people’s need for mods.

FenrirIII,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, clearing out the exact same building 40 times is much more entertaining than having a different building layout. /s

PolandIsAStateOfMind,
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

No, not really. After Starfield released mod scene EXPLODED capital letters, there were hundred new mods every day. However, without proper tools 95% of those mods are very simple reskins and modders got burned out and bored on this fast. Now we are 8 months after release with still no tools and that enthusiasm is largely gone. Part of it will still be back, but the best moment to establish a vibrant mod community has passed.

JackbyDev,

Minecraft has procedural stuff but still has lots of mods.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

the games sold just fine on console, before modding was possible on it. never got this modding saves bethesda narrative. its just a neat addition

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I think for profit companies want to sell more than fine.

ilinamorato,

But the point of Bethesda isn’t to sell their games. It’s to sell GamePass. Nobody has to play Fallout, they just have to want to play Fallout enough to buy GamePass.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

their games did that too

Glytch,

They’ve certainly gotten more hostile to mods since the M$ acquisition. At least mods that don’t want to play ball with the creation club nonsense.

JackbyDev, (edited )

I seriously doubt that. Bethesda’s titles are generally some of the most moddable mainstream titles. I missed sarcasm.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

that was my point yes. in fact bethesda loves mods so much they will straight up hire modders as devs. i think the sim settlement guy got hired

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I believe you may have missed some sarcasm in that comment.

JackbyDev,

Whoops. Chalking this up to Poe’s law

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