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Katana314, do games w Dark and Darker dev says Nexon's "trade secret and copyright" lawsuit against it has been dismissed

It honestly feels like a very strange world where Palworld isn’t investigated by Pokemon for infringement, but DnD is investigated by Nexon. Granted, I don’t think either claim has validity.

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It’s a pretty different situation under closer examination. The DnD developers are ex-Nexon employees and they (allegedly) pitched the idea internally before deciding to leave and take the idea with them.

Nexon thought that they had a legal leg to stand on because of how IP laws work (i.e.: employee ideas on company time are company IP). Perhaps more importantly; they probably felt a need to retaliate in order to send a message to other employees who might want to try something similar.

Palworld, on the other hand, is made by a team with no ties whatsoever to GameFreak. If Pokemon were a younger franchise they might possibly have a patent case of some kind, but even the 3D games go back almost 24 years now.

Halosheep,

It’s my understanding that they were in fact working on a very similar game at Nexon that was canceled and will never be released. There’s even leaked footage of the game out there.

drislands,

But Palworld is being investigated.

Katana314,

The announcement they made seemed more like a statement of awareness than any foreboding of litigation. They already filed a takedown more specifically for the mod that changes to Pokemon models.

CalicoJack,

And knowing how hawkish their lawyers are, they’ve probably had their eyes on Palworld since it was announced anyway. If there was anything actionable, they would have jumped on it already.

Draedron,

Palworld has no former employees of gamefreak and is a completely different game than Pokemon and a completely different genre. Some of the monsters look kind of similiar to pokemon but they arent copies.

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, all Palworld has to do is change a few models and they’d be out of the hot water. I do have to say though the few models that are noteworthy are HIGHLY problematic to a point of “X pokemon but color swapped”

PrettyLights,

And Pokémon did it to Dragon Quest.

There was an image of a Pokémon mesh or framework being very similar to a Pal’s, but the author didn’t mention they manipulated the size and perspective to make them look closer but other users noticed.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/56e8e55a-0777-4fbe-911b-31656d8864ca.png

PrettyLights,

The DnD claim has a lot of validity, as a fan of DnD. Have you looked into it much?

The DnD devs are accused of working on Nexons game, stealing source code, leaving nexon, and buying the same assets Nexon used to rapidly build DnD from p3’s ashes. The main leader who quit nexon directly poached from the p3 team to build the clone game as well.

I’m no Korean law expert, but there’s something worth looking into there.

Palworld just has a similar art style, and the idea of catching monsters in balls. There’s a lot more mechanics to palworld than Pokémon has, whereas DnD was actually P3 but made by a new team.

Phegan,

The palworld devs never worked on Pokemon. The dark and darker devs were, allegedly, employees of Nexon working on a similar game. It’s completely different

alphapuggle, do games w Bloodborne Kart isn't allowed to be called Bloodborne Kart anymore, but it is still coming

Before reading the post I was ready to fight that “Kart” does not relate it close enough to Mario kart to warrant a trademark infringement.

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/b4d59690-a2f2-46b6-b4ca-e3352f64ccf7.jpeg

hollo,

I admit it did not occur to me that “Bloodborne” could be the contentious part of the title.

vasus, do games w Dark and Darker dev says Nexon's "trade secret and copyright" lawsuit against it has been dismissed

The title feels misleading, this isn’t the actual main lawsuit, the case is far from over. I doubt Steam will want to display the game again given that they are still in hot water legally

Kira has been covering the situation from the start and he has a great video talking about this development

steal_your_face,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

Didn’t want to watch the video so used kagi’s ai summarizer:

  • Onepeg, a gaming YouTuber, tagged KieranTV in a tweet claiming that Nexon’s case against IM had been dismissed in both US and Korean courts, which was factually untrue.
  • When KieranTV questioned this, Onepeg doubled down and accused KieranTV of historically taking Nexon’s side without cause.
  • Reports from Korean media indicate that while the preliminary injunctions from both sides were dismissed, the judge noted it was likely Dark and Darker illegally stole from Nexon’s P3 game.
  • The case has not been fully dismissed and will continue to a full trial on the merits to determine the truth of Nexon’s claims.
  • Onepeg apologized for misrepresenting the facts but KieranTV remains skeptical of his motivations given his repeated doubling down.
  • KieranTV’s consistent position has been to want the truth determined fairly in court, not to take either side without cause.
  • Coverage of legal cases can be complicated as the truth may not come out clearly even if the right party wins or loses.
  • Fans of the game have previously harassed KieranTV for his neutral reporting on the case.
  • Onepeg should have fact checked before tagging KieranTV and making claims about the case’s outcome.
  • Both sides will continue arguing their cases as the full trial moves forward.
blunderworld, do games w Dark and Darker dev says Nexon's "trade secret and copyright" lawsuit against it has been dismissed

Did they end up reversing the micro transaction decision from a while back? I liked what I played, but I’m still not willing to pay money for any class that was included in the beta for free.

KickyMcAssington,

the locked class’ were unlocked for everyone after about 1 week due to backlash, they did listen at least. Different races are now for sale through points earned in game or real money. They are a cosmetic change with some minor stat differences (both good and bad so pretty balanced)

blunderworld,

Not so bad! Maybe I’ll have to check it out again, thanks for the info

HipsterTenZero, do games w Bloodborne Kart isn't allowed to be called Bloodborne Kart anymore, but it is still coming
@HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

NO!! It was so close to release!

Katana314, do games w Bloodborne Kart isn't allowed to be called Bloodborne Kart anymore, but it is still coming

I wonder if this means someone will release a mod that returns names to their trademark-breaching intentions.

Computerchairgeneral, do games w Bloodborne Kart isn't allowed to be called Bloodborne Kart anymore, but it is still coming

Sony finally remembered that Bloodborne existed at the worst possible time. Still, at least the game isn't being outright canceled and judging from the Micolash redesign, it looks like the creator is making the best of it. I do wonder if there's a possibility the creator could sell the game now, since it's now a legally distinct gothic kart racing game and not a Bloodborne fan game.

BarrierWithAshes,
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Definitely. This is the best possible outcome. And the game still keeps the hype so people will be paying attention.

magic_lobster_party, do games w Bloodborne Kart isn't allowed to be called Bloodborne Kart anymore, but it is still coming

This probably means one thing: Sony is making their own Bloodborne Kart!

Wootz, do games w Bloodborne Kart isn't allowed to be called Bloodborne Kart anymore, but it is still coming

Dear, oh dear. What was it? The Money? The Fame? Or the Copyright? Oh, it doesn’t matter… It always comes down to the Hunter’s helper to clean up after these sort of messes.

Katana314, do gaming w Genshin Impact review bombed in China after underwhelming Lantern Rite event rewards reveal

Never did like the expectation of constant updates to a game. I always saw the new stuff that came from live service updates as a bonus to a game, not a requirement.

KingThrillgore, do games w Microsoft to lay off 1900 people across Xbox and Activision Blizzard | Eurogamer
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

CALLED IT

remotelove,

It wasn’t that difficult of a call. Layoffs are common after buyouts like these. I am surprised they didn’t just blame it on “redundant roles”. (It was overused during the pandemic, I suppose.)

woodenskewer,
@woodenskewer@lemmy.world avatar

They did blame it on redundant roles, they just called it overlap instead.

andrew_bidlaw, do games w Microsoft to lay off 1900 people across Xbox and Activision Blizzard | Eurogamer
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Out of all these IT companies it seems like Phil is the first to call it a painful process, not just optimisation. Seems like he at least understands what a bad press it is to lay off 2k of people so he doesn’t keep this happy attitude about that, and even promise severance payments. And compared to others, they just had a big merger with dublicating departments and other internal structural shenanigans always meaning future lay offs.

What a weird way to start a year feeling like M$ is the most ethical maneater, although they top the list in hard numbers now. Can’t wrap my head around it.

remotelove,

Your first mistake is believing anything Phil said as even slightly remorseful. Executives are full of shit and emotions for them is an act. These layoffs were probably planned months in advance and it’s not like he can publicly applaud them, anyway.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Did I say I trust him? His speech is probably handed to him by a secretary. I’m talking about that speech even mentioning something besides rising effectiveness of the company further on, it isn’t even mentioned.

Kit, do gaming w Microsoft to lay off 1900 people across Xbox and Activision Blizzard

Name a single merger in any industry that didn’t result in layoffs of at least 8% of the workforce.

CharlesReed,

Yep, the moment this acquisition was in talks, you could see this coming from a mile away.

Midnitte,

It’s literally the point, merging companies are a left join, not a full outer join. The entire point is to save money by removing overlap - anyone who doesn’t expect that has no idea how businesses operate.

Fiivemacs, do games w Microsoft to lay off 1900 people across Xbox and Activision Blizzard | Eurogamer

Story is developing…lol ok

Anyone who didn’t see this coming is just blind. Anytime a company acquired another, there is ALWAYS layoffs. Before and after mergers.

echo64,

there is. this is at a large scale however. and involved cancelling projects. normally this happens because of redundancies in rolls (like QA for example, microsoft already has QA, marketing, stuff like that)

this is still an unusual size.

Paradachshund,

The level of cope around this merger was insane. It’s never a good thing, people.

Paradachshund, do games w Microsoft to lay off 1900 people across Xbox and Activision Blizzard | Eurogamer

We will provide our full support to those who are impacted during the transition, including severance benefits informed by local employment laws.

Translation: we will give them as little as we are legally allowed to.

This guy can fuck right off. I’m sure he’s wiping away tears with all those benjamins he just raked in.

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