I don’t want that kind of pricing to be encouraging because if we’re paying per hour of campaign then Civ would be $6K and even something like Kingdom Come Deliverance would be $400
You can’t compare open end games like Minecraft and Civ with a mainly story based game like GTA.
What you do after the campaign is your issue.
I just say that it’s understandable if you compare it to traditional media.
I will maybe buy it once it’s on sale.
No way in hell will I buy it for full price lol.
And the price creep will come because you and me are a very quiet minority in comparison to the casual games that buy a nee console solely to play the newest GTA or CoD.
Nintendo is one of the last game companies that actually release a finished product that’s not filled with micro transactions and your mad that they add an extra $20 to the price of something you will likely put hundreds of hours in as prices of everything have increased. Would you rather they release it for $60 but you have to pay an extra $5 for each character/vehicle/map like all the American companies are doing it
My point is the prices are down even with the increase.
Nintendo, unlike Xbox and Playstation, is also one of the few where if things go poorly the management takes pay cuts rather than cutting jobs, and takes risks that justify those reserves if things go really poorly (like the Wii U or GameCube).
And just as an example of how much lower the price of video games has come:
If you want to pirate because you can’t afford it go ahead - with how shitty things are in the world, especially the USA, I’m not against it. Heck, if you need a pristine 1st generation Switch (the one that’s super easy to hack without hardware modification) I’d be glad to sell you mine. I use my PC for modded gameplay anyway.
All I’m saying is the cheap game gravy train could only go on for so long, especially with ever increasing development costs. Nintendo has in part managed to keep those costs down because they’ve kept things at 1080p / 30 (or 24)fps for so long.
End of the day, your paycheck not keeping up with inflation is your country’s fault, not Nintendo’s. If you live in the USA, you’re definitely angry at the wrong people, since Japan isn’t the one doing tariffs and eroding your worker laws.
Perhaps you’ve had a rough childhood, but calm, chill people nether react like you do nor speak like you do.
Especially when it’s about a luxury product like a videogame. I get that you’re mad you can’t afford it - then simple - don’t buy it. I’m not buying it day one either because of the price, I just accept that I understand why they raised the prices.
Im genuinely of the opinion that GPU manufacturers need to take a gap year. Stop prioritising in game performance development and focus on efficiency and cost for just 12 months.
Actually Id be happy if consumer PC hardware as a whole went this way for just a little bit.
Hey in all honesty good on you for being an early adopter, someone has to. The first cars were not much of an upgrade over the horse and buggy either.
I wouldnt touch the 40 series, it feels like a stopgap. Theres a lot going on with AI cores and frame generation and new methods that arent just “raw power” processing. I think all this frame gen and ray tracing and so on is going to come together in the next series.
my point is that they have been saying that for years now, all the rt gpus are feeling like stopgaps rn, and you aint losing much by staying on say a 1080ti
i think worthwhile rt is still a while off. I do agree that its potentially great whenever they can figure out better tech to run it like you mention.
also they need to calm the fuck down with pricing already
2080TI, running Starfield at max settings with 4k texture mods, reporting in.
I want a top of the line GPU, I just can’t find a good enough reason to shell out the money. It keeps plugging away, runs smooth as butter with a slight overclock, and I have no complaints. I heard lots of complaints about the 4*** series cards though.
I’ve saved up for a top of the line GPU twice now, and I’d rather spend it spoiling my wife and doing the nice things we can’t usually afford.
While less competition is bad, I’m not sure there’s been a competition with Microsoft since like 2009. They have continuously proven that they will make the dumbest choices with stuff like always on online, can’t play used games, gimping games for the series x because the series s is basically just the Xbox one again, buying game developers and doing absolutely nothing with them, and releasing maybe two interesting exclusives in the span of 15 years. I was team green from the og launch until I got my PS4 but man I hope they just kick Xbox to the curb and just let PC kinda do its own thing. I have zero confidence in Xbox making any decision right in the gaming space.
For me, its not the console price thats the problem. £395.99 in the UK but if we consider inflation, the switch 1 would be around £360-365 today. An extra £30ish for a bigger screen and more power is not too unreasonable. Plus ending in 95.99 rather than 99.99 suggests Nintendo have tried to trim the headline price down.
The real problem is the accessories and games. £75 for new pro controller, £50 for new microSD Express (only ones compatible) £50 for webcam and £67-75 for physical games, £59-£67 for digital.
It seems like there’s nothing special about the camera, hopefully you could use others.
The SD Express makes sense, they’re not just upcharging (you can use any manufacturer’s cards), it’s how they guarantee the storage is reliably fast enough for all games to prevent lag in loading speeds
But for the other accessories, sure. And charging for switch 2 edition upgrades is annoying.
In the nintendo direct, when they were talking about the extra usb-c port, they’ve mentioned it could be used to connect a usb-c camera. Their camera announcement came way later.
their legal action against emulators and DRM circumvention. they have the audacity of allowing people to play their games which were legally purchased on unapproved hardware.
You know whats better? Not reporting shit, I just published my game. I don’t want to report a bunch of numbers to Unity each month. I want to push updates to fix issues my users are complaining about. How the fuck are the biggest chucklefucks in charge of every company? Give me the fucking reigns I can do better than this.
I feel like most digital stores already gives you all the statistics you need to make this trivial though. Steam even reports the difference after refunds/returns for you.
it’s the best way to do a rev share. pretty sure unreal engine lets you self report too. If you start a business you can’t complain about having to run a a business by tracking sales.
I can when I didn’t have to do it before and this policy is forced upon me by an established vendor. Thats like saying you can’t bitch about material vendors in the construction industry, you absolutely can because they make your business work and you’ve entrusted them not to fuck you.
With all intentions of respect, and in complete agreement that Unity’s new terms are alarming, If you dont have any intentions of tracking your sales unless you are forced to by the creators of your engine you are using, I’m questioning if you have the chops to be a successful dev in the first place. This is why the vast majority of devs don’t even make enough to even pay Unity the fee and should just stick with a publisher instead of trying to handle the business end of things on their own.
Its not the tracking of sales thats the issue. Its having to report it to someone so they can take even more of my money when we haven’t been doing that for years.
I saw a theory from another lemmy user a while back that made a lot of sense. Basically shareholders get to a point where the want cash now. So they make a deal with the current CEO to do something shitty for short term profits. The shareholders get paid in the short term and then once the share price takes a hit they buy more shares at a discount. They then fire the current CEO who takes a nice exit fee and install someone else to do damage control and grow the stock price again. This is the only thing that makes sense to me because the alternative is that the current CEO is just actually that dumb.
For me the problem is that the shareholders are putting enormous pressure on publicly traded companies requiring ever lasting exponential growth.
Back then I posted a thread about why I think publicly traded companies are bad for our society, as an unpopular opinion and I got severely downvoted, but hey isn’t this another example for the latter?
This SaaS model was born exactly out of this and it is the worst offender.
Back then we were able to own our own software/hardware, now everything is leasing and perpetual paying for things you need/use everyday. Thank God we have foss apps that in most cases are better alternatives.
Hopefully development studios can hold strong and continue their boycott anyway. Backing down now basically means Unity got away with it, in a sense. Plus, companies are learning from each other’s shitty tactics lately ala Twitter, Reddit, and Recently Facebook coming out with payment schemes on things that used to be free.
So if Unity does this, other software companies will probably try some similar stuff.
Also did they mention how much the “upgrades” will be?
My understanding is it’s $10 for upgrades that just run better with no new content, and $20 for ones that also have new content of come sort. Nintendo’s gonna be the most expensive console to buy games for now. Remember the Switch tax? Get ready for the Switch tariff!
From what i am reading only mario party jamboree and kirby upgrades will cost money, the zelda ones are free if you pay for switch online and metroid and pokemon dont appear to have any proce attached to their upgrades.
The running theory is thst most games wont cost to upgrade unless they offer expanded content. But expansions costing money is nothing new.
That’s $4.17 a month. It’s even cheaper if you get a family account and share with your family and / or friends like i do. (I am actually UK, but it seems the US price is the most quoted.) And comes with all the n64 (and the new gamecube) games. Its the cheapest online service of the three main consoles.
Also, to be clear. Im not a big switch guy, and i think nintendo are a greedy company. I mostly play playstation these days but my switch is handy and there are some amazing first party games.
…on top of all the other “It’s only $X!” subscription services out there. If it’s the ONLY subscription you have, sure, that’s not bad, but how common is that?
person just unironically said they pay nintendo 5 bucks a month for the privilege to play a curated list of 40 year old games you can quite literally find anywhere online. That’s 60$ a year to access an emulator they probably have less than 10 hours of playtime on. There’s just really no justification for Nintendo anymore, BOTW broke me and I had to be talked into it.
Second. I said i am in the UK, so i dont bay any dollars a month.
Third, I pay for 1 quarter of £5 a month, which is the monthly cost of a family account. Which i said i have. So it’s actually £1.25 ($1.64) a month.
Forth, The games that come with the expansio are not 40 years old.the expansion gives you the n64, gameboy advance and genesis games, which are 28, 23 and 35 years old respectively.
Fifth, as well that i get 48 mario kart maps, as well ss some other games. On top of the online play which you get in the standard pack, and some other bits.
Sixth, i have played and completed mario 64 and bajo kazooie on the n64 emulator. I have introduced my son to mario kart 64 as well. I also am slowly working my way through jet force gemini. I have complete goldeneye played multiplayer with my brothers here and there and am working through perfect dark. On the GBA emulator i am playing golden sun. 10 hours is a severe underestimate for all that and more.
Finally. If you are salty about BOTW, then thats your problem. But dont go around lying about what i said to make yourself feel better.
Good lord, you’re actually gonna come down and try to defend your actions like some kind of corporate propagandist. Fucking sad really how you’ve got it all twisted. SOMEONE IS PAYING FOR THE SERVICE! I don’t care how many people are listed and aren’t using it, YOU’RE STILL PAYING FOR A YEARLY SUBSCRIPTION FOR A FUCKING ONLINE EMULATOR. Where the fuck was a lie made? Care to misrepresent some more shit?
It’s 4.17 not 5? I should take that as my first clue you’re not serious. People round up to 5 for meals all the time, this is such a strange thing to start on.
Responding to the news on X, former PlatinumGames co-founder and current Clovers Studio founder Hideki Kamiya – who regularly posts about his love of classic games – criticised the move, asking for the return of the Virtual Console service, which was available on Wii, Wii U and 3DS and allowed individual games to be bought.
“Hey hey hey, I guess subscriptions are no good after all,” Kamiya wrote. “Seriously, bring back the Virtual Console… don’t be so mean.”
It should also be noted that numerous retro games were delisted from Virtual Console over the years too, including Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Yoshi’s Cookie, Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure, Aleste, SimCity, Street Fighter II, Final Fight 1-3, Super Turrican 2 and Super R-Type.
for 1-6, you’re paying a rental subscription service to play an emulator… just type emulator into a search engine, go to one of the hundreds of sites. Hell, go to archive.org and get the official nintendo online emulator pack.
Guess what?!?! I’m not gonna charge you a fucking penny and I’m not gonna log onto your device and remove your data!! You’re welcome!!
(don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about BOTW for, it was an example that nintendo is making shittier products and can’t be relied upon anymore if their flagship game can’t even run properly on the console, keep making an ass of yourself though)
4.17 is closer to 4 not 5. I dont care if you spend more on meals than you owe because you dont see that. I was only pointing out that you rounded up the cost to emphasise a point that is invalid because i am not even paying 4.17, let alone 5 a month. So yeah i am gonna defend myself when, like i said, i am actually paying 1.25 (or 5 by your logic. Or would it be 0 because 1.25 rounds down to 0 in your world)
The lie you made is the price i am paying, what you get for the monthly cost. Again, you dont round down online access, multiple game expansions and a list of old games to just some old emulators.
You are purposfully ignoring features and increasing the price to make it seem like you are more rightm its dishonest and childish.
I have used emulators since the no$cash game boy emulator. For the most part they are good. But they dont play all games perfectly. Like banjo is full of glitches and crashes when emulated. Same for mario 64. Same for goldeneye. So not only are you underselling the nintendo switch emulator, you are overselling emulators like dolphin etc.
I appreciate the convenience of taking the emulated games away from the desktop due to the switches portability and if its costing me less than the proce of a cup of coffee per month then i would happily pay for the convenience. Its like netflix when iflt first came along. It beat piracy because it was cheap and convenient. Now that its so expensive the piracy starts again.
Did you just link to an article to show that they are removing games which actually just shows they removed 1 game. Since they added the service in 2018. Thats the most clickbaity article I’ve ever seen. Especially when they guy they quote calls for the return of a system that also removed games from the library…
Seriously. I dont think nintendo are a good company, we all know how greedy they are and how aggressive they are with lawsuits etc. But you are purposfully exaggerating to drive home a point that just isn’t true.
I mentioned BOTW because you did. I was responding to you.
Man you kinda just suck at this and have completely proven my point. You don’t round bills down… have you done a budget before like a big boy? I can’t even take you seriously when you dance around some numbers bullshit lol. You’re paying for a monthly service to play a free emulator, justify it all you want.
I never replied to you, @samus12345 is who I replied too. You’ve decided to jump in and talk about BOTW lol
I literally linked you the exact program for the nintendo switch emulator, which you’ve paid hundreds of dollars for the “portability” of taking an emulator off a desktop (congrats! I don’t think it’s ever been done before…oh wait). The glitch shit just is false dichotomy that you’re stretching for.
Funny you mentioned Netflix but unironically used it as a positive example!!! Even though it’s enshittification and current state promotes piracy!!! hahaha and then just completely blow over the fact that yes…the first game was just removed a few days ago, and the version before literally lost a bunch of great games (do you really not get the message? You don’t own the game, they are not required to keep letting you play it)
It’s obvious you’re a happy-mindless consumer, everything you’ve said points more negative light on exactly why I wouldn’t pay for the service. You don’t think Nintendo is a good company, you think they’re greedy and aggressive, yet you’re completely ok with doing business with them. I think it’s a shit company with a shit service and you’re getting ripped off in more ways than one (financially,morally,technologically,socially).
If you’re actually serious about being a real consumer, put your money towards actual companies and developers you can feel good about. Here’s some examples listed, the best part is they’re not going to keep showing up every month to collect money from you! I guarantee you, your family would remember an awesome product from one of those companies 10x more than just playing a dumb ol’ switch like every pleb. Really just trying to give them the most basic corporate experience in life eh?
Ok… in terms of bills rounding up or down. If i am at a restaurant (to use your example) and someone says “what do i owe” and the amount is 34.17, i won’t tell them its 35. I will tell them its 34.17 but just give me 34. I wont tell them to give me more. That would be their choice. Why would you make someone else pay 0.83 more when it would only cost you 0.17 to round it off to an even number.
You want to call me a child because you think i dont know how to budget, based on you not understanding that 4.17 is not 5. It’s just not.
My credit score is near enough 1000 out of 1000, i pay a mortgage, i have a phone bill a car, gas, electric, council tax, vet bills, personal spends, school bills, savings etc no credit cards, small overdraft, not in use.
So yes. I budget… like a big boy. You condescending patronising jackass.
Yes, you replied to that other user, but your whole reply was about… wait for it… ME!
So i responded. And YOU brought up BOTW. So stop saying i brought it up.
There you go exaggerating again. “Hundreds of dollars”? I have been paying 1.25 a month for 4 years which is 60 not “hundreds” do you realise you are doing it? You are overstating almost everything you say which makes it seem more impactful than it actually is. Do you also think you have no money left when you actually have like, 100 dollars? Because you wildly overestimated how much you spend each month?
So you linked me to an emulator… great… what good does that do me when i need portability and i only have the switch with that function? I dont own a steam deck for example.
False dichotomy? Perhaps you need a dictonary as i think you have misunderstood the meaning of the word dichotomy. Roms having glitches is not a dichotomy… what is the other side of this dichotomy? What are you contrasting it with? And are you honestly saying you have ever found an emulator that can play conkers bad fur day eith no glitches? Because there isn’t one. The graphics packs aren’t up to it, and the roms are shoddy.
Perhaps you are trying to suggest that my stating that emulators are glitchy is not a reason to pay nintendo for one. Perhaps you are missing the fsct that i am already paying them for the online service for switch, and i wanted to mario kart expansion so even if i didnt also want the emulators, i would have them.
Perhaps you think everything should be free? As someone who rides the fine line between piracy and consumerism, i think some things should be free, but will pay for something if i find its more convenient. I dont care about paying 60 for 4 years of a glitchless emulator i can carry around with me. Just like i dont mind spending 60 on a single game i might get 20-100 hours of gameplay out of. I am sure you dont mind that either.
If its down to a cost benefit analysis, then I’ve done mine. And deemed it worth it.
Its funny how you ignored what i said about netflix, you saw the word and turned redder than the logo. I said that when they started the streaming service, most people pirating tv stopped. Because they offered a service that was more convenient and cheap enough that it wasnt worth pirating. I then stated that that has since changed as those factors wained. So what is your point? That you can’t read?
As for your summary of my mindless consumerism. Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror, you are blinded by your hatred of corporations and dont seem to realise that consumerism isnt inherently bad. Like with anything, at the extremes, it is horroble. Just like piracy. Nintendo might be a bad company, but the people who put in the effort to make the games, and the hardware, all of the work that goes into designing and developing these things that deserves fair compensation. I dont think i deserve that for free. I think i should have to pay for some things, because much to my dismay we dont live in a communist or even socialist world just yet.
Please take you antagonistic and arrogant stance somewhere else.
Wow, didn’t think you would take the victim stance so hard. Just to be clear, you’re saying I didn’t reply to you but I need to take my arrogant stance somewhere else? The instigator of this argument is telling me I’m antagonistic? hahahaha
You can lie all you want about your big-boy pants, the proof is in the pudding when you show your immaturity. You can’t even get the basics of this discussion right. “not only are you underselling the nintendo switch emulator, you are overselling emulators like dolphin etc.” if you don’t see the dichotomy you’ve created I don’t know how to solve what’s obviously a lifetime learning problem.
Let’s see, was there anything else you actually said? Hmm, now 34.17 is acceptably 34 but not 35 when budgeting bills, idk wtf you’re doing now. More company defending… made up anecdotal shit about your life I don’t believe… and you still don’t understand how subscription services work.
You can’t see the point of Netflix enshittification so you’re lost there, you think creators are being fairly compensated for the games on the nintendo emulator… lol it’s getting harder to address the BS as this goes on.
I don’t know how many times I can say this just for you to come back all huffy puffy again. “will pay for something if i find its more convenient. I dont care about paying,” Tell me more how you’re paying a monthly subscription for a free emulator and a mario kart expansion… 4 years, woah. That’s really just mindblowing. Let’s cut the bullshit and actually give real world examples.
No, absolutely not. When your Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack membership expires, you lose access to all included DLC, N64 games, Genesis games, and other content. You‘ll have 180 days after expiration to renew your membership and regain access to everything. But after 180 days, all of that content gets permanently removed unless you purchase the Expansion Pack subscription again. It‘s designed as a continual service rather than a one-time add-on purchase. You only keep the extra content as long as you keep paying for it.
Is the Expansion Pack Worth the Cost?
the value depends heavily on how much you actually play the included N64 and Genesis games. Many criticize these retro game libraries as lacking depth and variety, especially compared to Xbox Game Pass. You can also purchase Switch DLCs individually without the bundled Expansion Pack subscription. Here are normal prices for the major DLCs it includes:
Buying these one by one costs only $70 altogether – already less than a year of the subscription. And you‘ll own them permanently rather than temporarily renting with a subscription.
Your cost/benefit analysis is biased and flawed. Like you glossed over before, here are some examples of handheld emulators you won’t lose when you decide to stop paying. They have more games and will last longer, better companies and progressive consumerism (I’m advocating for positive consumerism, not blind purchases). Best part is you’ll actually save some money in the long run, I think we can stop pretending now that other people in the plan and your children are helping pay the bill at this point lol.
You know, I’ve had a busy day at work. i need to take care of a 5 year old and 10 week old baby. My wife is still recovering from a c section, and i just dont have the energy at this point in time. When i do, i will come back and respond to your whole comment.
The only thing i want to say right now, is that i dont care that you dont believe that i have responsibilities and can take care of my finances just fine, even whilst paying a subscription to something i believe is worth the money. I don’t care because it doesnt change anything. I still have to deal with it all, i still have to be an adult and some random fart of a person on the internet isnt going to change that.
Respond soon. Might be tomorrow, but i would like to address all of that BS you posted.
Take your time, real-life shit always takes priorities. I had most of the day off so I was able to fart around or else I would be in the same boat as you. I’ll be around to help you with seeing reality and developing proper analysis skills when you’re free and ready lol.
But until then all those leakers, dataminers, third class publications, youtubers and everybody else who profits from the attention these leaks naturally drive can fuck right off. The current Valve leaks news cycle is so fucking annoying. Be it Deckard, Deck, HL, whatever else.
Apart from that i was pissed at Valve for the cliffhanger at end of EP2 with no follow up. But that was 15 years ago. Seriously its been over 10 years since i decided that i just stop care about this franchise. Still played Black Mesa when it finally hit 1.0. That was nice a throwback. But HL3? I just dont care anymore. Might check it out if it ever gets released or i dont. idk
If the cliffhanger at the end of HL:2 Episode 2 annoyed you, the one at the end of Half Life: Alyx will annoy you even more because it not only returns to that moment but the G Man uses reality warping shenanigans to overwrite what happens in it, and replaces it with a different cliffhanger.
Son of a bitch and his unforeseen consequences, indeed.
On the bright side, this also circumvents the need for the original events of Half Life 3 to happen, since Valve has consistently said they were not willing to make it as it was originally drafted (especially now since Marc Laidlaw leaked/released the entire plot online). So now I guess they’re free to do something new with the story direction… Whatever that might be.
I sort of get it, but also “Half Life game ends with G Man time-freeze BS and a random abrupt cliffhanger that will not be resolved for years, if ever” isn’t exactly an unexpected outcome for anyone who’s interested in Half Life.
You may as well just watch a Youtube LP of Alyx anyway, since I imagine the majority of players do not have the equipment to play it themselves.
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