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SnotFlickerman, (edited ) do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Holy shit somehow no one has mentioned:

Nier Automata

It counts as a masterpiece because of how well it blends game design, gameplay and story. I have played very few games as thoughtful, or that weaved the gameplay together into the story it was telling in such a meaningful way. I never thought once in my life that I would think philosophically about bullet hell but somehow Nier Automata has something profound to say and even manages to say it using bullet hell as a gameplay mechanic.

On top of all this, it also has a lot to say about classical philosophers, their works, and honestly deeply subverts things they had to say. It asks tough questions about their thoughts and ideas, once again, through gameplay. Numerous characters are named for classical philosophers: Pascal, Jean-Paul, Simone, Engels, Immanuel… (Yoko Taro obviously has feelings about how Jean-Paul Sartre treated Simone de Beauvoir.)

Further, Yoko Taro is doing something that a lot of game developers fail to manage to do: He is embracing gaming as a storytelling medium and eschewing the traditional three-act arc from film. Because gaming is not film. As Marshall McLuhan posited, “the medium is the message” and unlike other developers Taro’s writing is aimed at the medium he is working in instead of leaning on the ropes and tropes of other mediums. (Referring back to above, tying the gameplay into the story, focusing on the medium)

It’s basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

Don’t write it off because of the scantily clad anime women. Stay for the depth of the human condition. It is truly a masterwork in multiple respects.

TomSelleck,

I didn’t know Chris Plante is on Lemmy.

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

For a moment I thought you were talking about the Newsmax host and I was very offended and confused, but it looks like there is another, lesser known Chris Plante in gaming journalism.

TomSelleck,

And he fuckin LOVES NieR

shrodes,

Quick, go through their post history and see if they’ve mentioned any Neil Breen films

sugar_in_your_tea,

Nier Automata

I loved Nier Replicant, but didn’t get into Automata, maybe I’ll give it another shot. I do love that style of storytelling though.

Bbbbbbbbbbb,

It’s basically impossible to not break down into tears at the ending.

The god damn ending is a gameplay mechanic to tell a not yet finished story. Damn you Yoko Taro

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

spoilerThe wild part is that he’s so good at subverting anime tropes, too. The “killing god” trope is mentioned in the first lines of the game… and then going on to battling the end credits themselves?? Literally killing the gods who created the world this all exists in? Taking it to the absurd yet logical extreme, so brilliant.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif

MarauderIIC,

I appreciate that you justified your submission, unlike many answers here.

mintiefresh,
@mintiefresh@lemmy.ca avatar

One of my favorite games of all time.

Katana314,

Man, I wish I understood a single bit of this evaluation of the game after finishing every chapter (sorry - “Ending”). The whole thing felt mostly like a waste of time.

That said, I’m a fan of Spec Ops: The Line, a game that has much the same level of division among its players. Interesting how philosophical games get that reaction.

msage,

I tried to play that game, expecting perhaps a DMC-like gameplay.

Instead I got a 2D plane scroller?

Then 2D sort of platformer?

Then some weird 3D action that I did not understand at all?

What the fuck is that game.

If I enjoyed combat more, I could give it another go. But it was just not for me.

tanisnikana, do gaming w You made your choice, fuckhead

Fun fact: you can drop your KKK guys in a pig farm, and they are hungry.

saltnotsugar,

Silence of the Rootin Tootin Lambs

boonhet,

For real? I need to snatch me some KKK guys next time I play.

CosmoNova, do games w Oblivion remake is... really making it apparent how outdated Bethesda is in its approach to making games

There‘s no Oblivion remake. Go to the Steam Page and carefully read word for word what it is you‘re talking about.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I play Fantasy Critic with some friends. We allow remakes in our league but not remasters. This one counts as a remake for purposes of this site, with a flag on it to note that it was contentious. This game definitely blurs some lines on some definitions.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Out of interest, how does that site classify Age of Empires Definitive Edition (and aoe2:DE and aoe3:DE) and Age of Mythology: Retold?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know. As far as I can tell, it’s only searchable for the current calendar year, and we can view games we had on our roster in the same league in previous years. No one had any of those games on their roster. The site differentiates between remasters, remakes, and reimaginings, with a reimagining being something like Resident Evil 2 or Final Fantasy VII Remake. We used to not allow remakes, but we changed the rules for our league starting last year (personally, I voted against it, but I was outvoted). The league commissioner can always override a decision that the site makes when categorizing a game.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I managed to find aoe3 and aom on the site by using a site-filtered Google search. Couldn’t find 1 or 2, but with both of those that I found being “remake”, I suspect the two I didn’t find would be the same.

It’s interesting, and perhaps highlights how vague the line is between remake and remaster. AoM I can see being called a remake (at a bit of a stretch), but 2 & 3 are pretty solidly remasters in my mind, due to being entirely in the original engine with just a bit of new QoL features and improved graphics added.

prole,

Fantasy Critic

Wait what? Is this like fantasy sports, but with video game reviews? Do you draft developers or some shit?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, it is fantasy sports but with video games. You draft games, and your points are determined by their score on Open Critic. Over 70 gains points, under 70 loses points. Every point over 90 is worth double. The way my friends and I structure our league, we have one counter pick during the draft, and the counter picker gets the inverse of the points of that game; so if I have a friend who drafts Kirby Air Riders, and I counter pick it, and it scores 67, my friend loses 3 points and I gain 3 points. If I counter pick a game that scores positive points, I lose those points instead.

The only game on my roster that has released so far is Knights in Tight Spaces, which only got me 6 points (I aim for about 13 points per game), because it scored a 76 on Open Critic, and I was perhaps a bit too risky when I drafted Pony Island 2: Panda Circus, because I got counter picked on it, and it doesn’t have a release date, so I might be stuck with a game that scores 0 points due to not releasing this year.

prole, (edited )

But you don’t always know about every release a year in advance (I mean for games that weren’t announced yet at the time of your draft)… Are there “seasons”?

Lol sorry, I’ve just never heard of this and I’m intrigued.

Edit: clarity

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Correct, you don’t know that. You can speculate on releases, like I did with Pony Island 2, and get counter picked as a punishment for the risk. As long as it’s in the site’s database, it’s fair game. I drafted “Unannounced 3D Mario Game” this year, but then I picked up “Unannounced 3D Donkey Kong Game” after the draft for 1 in-game dollar (no one else put in a bid for it), as a hedge, since the rumor was that either a Mario or a Donkey Kong game would be made by the Mario Odyssey team for the Switch 2 launch. No one counter-picked Mario, so I’m allowed to drop it, and the Donkey Kong entry automatically updated to Bananza. The “season” is a calendar year. We do our draft early in January, and typically the first release of the year will be like halfway through the month, and the score that each game earns is whatever score it has at the stroke of midnight on January 1st.

Because we don’t know every release a year in advance, A) this game got a lot harder starting back in 2022, because that’s when game marketing cycles got way shorter, and B) some of the best reviewing games of 2025 probably won’t even be announced until this coming June.

prole,

“Unannounced 3D Mario Game”

Ahhhhhh OK, I see…

Do you guys curate this yourself, or is there a website or something that facilitates it?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

They have their own database. If there’s a release or a rumor they don’t know about, you can suggest one, but they ask you to cite your sources. If it’s got a Steam page and you provide that link, they’ll basically add it right away, which is what happened when I got Total Chaos added. Fantasy Critic also gives league commissioners a lot of power to house rule just about anything.

prole,

Neat. Thanks for the info!

SatyrSack, do gaming w What's a good slow paced shooter game?
@SatyrSack@feddit.org avatar

SUPERHOT moves at your pace. Though it definitely does make you feel superhuman, just in a different way.

umbrella, (edited )
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  • XeroxCool,

    I hear this every time I scroll past it in my library. I finished it about 4 hours after my bedtime one night and the ending felt uncomfortable

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  • sneezycat,
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    SUPERHOT is the most innovative shooter I’ve played in years!

    neukenindekeuken,

    But I’m not a rapper.

    skulblaka,
    @skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Oh man, you think that was uncomfortable, try playing the VR version.

    It makes you virtually kill yourself at least twice and implies mind control of the player.

    Shit’s wild.

    The_Che_Banana,

    yes but it’s

    SUPER

    HOT

    Rai,

    I’m still pissed I can’t elect into having the original suicide parts available for launch.

    Hello_there, do games w Are there any games you don't play as it was intended to be played? If so, what game and how?

    The only way to play NASCAR games is to drive backwards and see how many cars you can involve in a wreck.

    slazer2au,

    Might as well play Flatout, you get nos from the damage you cause.

    BuboScandiacus,
    @BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

    Fallout games with vehicles ? (I haven’t played Fo1,2,76)

    vrek,

    Or wreckfest

    toddestan,

    I remember in the original 1990’s NASCAR Racing game, I discovered a glitch where if I managed hit an AI car into the outer wall a certain way while driving backwards, it would launch said AI car backwards at some incredible rate of speed which could make for some spectacular wrecks.

    Anyhow, that’s what I spent most of time doing.

    psx_crab, do games w Silksong announced for 2025 on the Nintendo Direct

    Chat is this real

    droning_in_my_ears, (edited )

    YES! THIS IS NOT A DRILL

    THIS IS NOT APRIL’S FOOLS

    Kinda wish we got the month though.

    Edit: here’s the clip

    psx_crab,

    Damn, now we actually need an exact date to be sure it will be release this year.

    Chozo,
    @Chozo@fedia.io avatar

    You gotta press the C button first, to ask them.

    Tolstoy, do games w One-handed games?
    @Tolstoy@lemmy.world avatar

    Balatro
    Slay the Spire
    Brotato
    Vampire Survivor & Clones

    Flagstaff,
    @Flagstaff@programming.dev avatar

    I’m gonna say it.

    I’m gonna say it.

    Slice & Dice is better than Slay the Spire (not by much, to be fair, but… yeah).

    GissaMittJobb,

    How do I get into it? I’ve tried and it’s not really sticking, to be honest.

    Flagstaff,
    @Flagstaff@programming.dev avatar

    Did you try it on Hard?

    GissaMittJobb,

    I don’t think I changed the difficulty-settings.

    Flagstaff,
    @Flagstaff@programming.dev avatar

    That’s a big deal; I wouldn’t think much of the game if I had only played it on Easy the entire time. It really shines in Hard or Unfair!

    oxideseven,

    You like it better, it isn’t objectively better.

    I bounced off of SnD. I wanted to like it but just couldn’t for whatever reason.

    Flagstaff,
    @Flagstaff@programming.dev avatar

    No problem; I’ll play it more for you!

    oxideseven,

    Thanks. Give those baddies a couple good rolls for me!

    son_named_bort, do gaming w Wish I could retire now actually

    What’s retirement?

    Agent641,

    It’s a carrot on the end of the stick that’s tied to your back

    Zorsith,
    @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    That really big bill when they run out of rubber to patch on your car

    Hadriscus, do games w Developer of WalkScape (the fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL) here again. We're accepting new players and have a Lemmy community!

    I’ve been playing for a few months now. I love the concept, the art and the atmosphere of it. And I feel it’s been making me walk more. However, I can’t seem to make any substantial progress in the game. I’m still stuck on the starting landmass (Jarvonia), and while doing activities gets me raw materials and the occasional rare item, I can’t seem to do anything with them as transforming those requires skills I don’t have and don’t know how to obtain.

    Am I missing something ? Am I just not walking enough ?

    schamppu,

    Thank you so much! <3

    If you feel a bit stuck, I recommend to check out wiki.walkscape.app and map.walkscape.app

    In order to process higher level materials, you need to level up your craftings skills: Carpentry, Crafting, Smithing. You need to start with low end materials, which you have levels for. Then you can move onto higher level recipes.

    When you craft yourself some good gear, progress in the game is a lot faster and you’ll find yourself progressing to further areas.

    Hadriscus,

    Hi, much appreciated ! Thanks for the links. Hopefully it’ll click soon

    Aganim, do gaming w Responsible Adult say no to Store Exclusive.

    And make sure to avoid stores that actively promote the store exclusives concept, even for stuff that isn’t an exclusive (anymore). They don’t deserve our money. Looking at you Epic.

    Elgenzay,
    @Elgenzay@lemmy.ml avatar

    I remember when Metro Exodus was about to release, Epic bought them out and they made the game unpurchasable on Steam after people already preordered. So only those who preordered were able to play on Steam for the first year after release. Valve left this statement on the store page.

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/ef30562d-27f2-4637-aee0-c3b85fa5fe68.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Exodus#Release

    Aganim,

    Ubisoft pulled something like that with Anno 1800. If you pre-ordered it on Steam it was possible to install and play it, as it was only delisted but not removed entirely. Buying the DLC was a bit of a pain as you couldn’t search Steam for it, you had to dig up the direct Steam Store link from one of the official posts on the Ubi forum. It wasn’t ideal, but at least they had the sense to make everything available immediately on Steam for those that already bought the game there.

    Kecessa, (edited )

    Store exclusivity is paid, this means that the devs get a guaranteed income instead of relying on the Steam gamble.

    Would you work for your employer if you might be paid more than average but no guarantee on that and only in two years if it happens at all as it depends on the number of clients you got and how influencers feel about your work once it’s complete?

    I don’t know about you but I look around and I don’t know anyone who would accept those conditions. That’s where exclusivity becomes an option, you might not have as high an income, but that employer tells you ahead of hiring you how much you’ll make in the next year with a commission on every sale you make once your work is complete.

    Aganim,

    I’m fully aware, and I don’t even blame developers, especially indies, as I can completely understand their reasoning and commercial consideration. But from a user perspective I just see a store trying to buy market share and either forcing customers to wait a year or cave and use that store. Epic doesn’t fork over money to help developers, it does so to grab a piece of the pie and create value for shareholders.

    Personally I prefer not buying or using platforms from companies whose policies I don’t agree with. I avoid Amazon for that reason, and Epic’s store is therefore also on my personal blacklist.

    It’s a choice I’m allowed and willing to make. Of course you are free to disagree and by all means, do whatever you feel is right.

    Kecessa, (edited )

    Do you purchase on Steam? Because it is in a monopolistic position and that’s much more anti consumer than anything Epic or GOG can do in their position.

    That’s not even talking about the 30% cut which means less money going to the devs (and before you say they use the money to innovate, devs being able to afford making games is much more important for gaming than developing virtual trading cards or enriching a billionaire with a yacht collection).

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Because it is in a monopolistic position

    Is it forcing a monopolistic position? Or is it’s “monopolistic position” just a result of it being popular and widely used?

    Kecessa,

    Do we need to wait until they start abusing their position before we react to the fact that they can do whatever the fuck they want with the PC gaming market?

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Do we need to wait until they start abusing their position

    Should we be punishing Steam for things they haven’t done?

    Epic was already trying to abuse their position as soon as they started up.

    “You should purchase from the shitty company because if you purchase from the better company they might maybe one day become shitty” is not a compelling argument.

    If Steam starts abusing their position and becomes shitty then I will stop using Steam. There is nothing morally or ethically wrong (or difficult) with “pirating” the games I have legally purchased on Steam in order to access them outside of the Steam environment.

    acosmichippo,
    @acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know about you but I look around and I don’t know anyone who would accept those conditions.

    except publishers frequently do accept those conditions.

    Kecessa,

    I’m talking about employees, not businesses

    acosmichippo,
    @acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

    and I’m saying your analogy doesn’t work.

    Kecessa,

    Except that yes it does. You’re expecting all devs to spend their life savings to develop a game in the hope that Markiplier or Northernlion or whoever else decide to play their game out of thousands of suggestions they get? Some of them prefer a guaranteed salary in exchange for exclusivity, just like the vast majority of people exchange a guaranteed salary in exchange for work exclusive to a single employer. But somehow you guys expect devs to just gamble while you wouldn’t play slot machine for a living.

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    I am not a dev. You are also not a dev. Here are some thoughts from an indie dev about Steam and Epic: reddit.com/…/jason_thor_halls_pirate_software_tho…

    Note the comments he makes about why an Epic exclusivity window is valuable to a dev.

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    The employees got paid while working on the game. They don’t only get paid based on sales.

    Kecessa,

    I’m making a parallel between those businesses who still need money to come in in order to pay employees and the way people who are complaining about exclusives wouldn’t submit themselves to the same process of working without any guaranteed income. Money to pay employees doesn’t come out of nowhere and plenty of publishers have went bankrupt leaving the employees without anything to show for their hard work.

    You’re also completely forgetting about indie devs.

    Analogies, you guys should go read about those.

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    You can’t hide behind a bad analogy simply due to it being an analogy. It’s still bad. McDonald’s doesn’t get paid until someone buys a burger. Walmart doesn’t get paid until a customer leaves the checkout. This is very normal for businesses that you don’t get money until the consumer buys your product. If I start an independent business selling socks I can make all the socks I want, I don’t get paid unless people buy them. That’s a normal risk to starting your own business.

    All of this is besides the fact that I don’t blame devs for taking the offer, I blame Epic. If a game later becomes available on another service I will consider it then, I will not let Epic have any of my money.

    You’re also completely forgetting about indie devs.

    Okay, let’s ask an indie dev.

    Kecessa,

    Does McDonald’s wait 2 or 3 years to get money for the work accomplished to make that burger?

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    To make that burger they need to acquire the property, get permits, build the restaurant, purchase and receive equipment, get more permits, train staff, get supplies, advertise…

    Yes, all that will take 2-3 years. I worked at a McDonald’s that was getting rebuilt and the process for a restaurant that already existed took longer than 2 years.

    Thank you for focusing on the last relevant part of my comment to signal that you don’t have any actual valid criticisms of what I said.

    tombruzzo, do gaming w Water + hot oil

    And they boasted about the amazing attention to detail in this game

    JackbyDev,

    I don’t necessarily see the problem. It’s not like every construction is up to code.

    GammaGames,

    Literally unplayable!

    Grandwolf319, do games w Palworld announces Terraria crossover

    I don’t play either of these games.

    This post made me happy.

    AnIntenseMoist, do games w What are some video game quotes that is stuck in your head?

    Never should’ve come here.

    inlandempire,
    @inlandempire@jlai.lu avatar

    Citizen.

    SnotFlickerman, do games w Suggestions? Games that won't make me feel alone?
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Bioshock Infinite - Elizabeth as a constant companion is a big theme in the game.

    Beyond Good and Evil - A lot of great supporting cast like Pey’j.

    Baldur’s Gate 3 - Massive emphasis on the relationships you have with your companions.

    Brutal Legend - A quasi-RTS where caring for your bandmates and roadies is the only way to win.

    Disco Elysium - Kim Kitsuragi, enough said.

    Firewatch - Story driven rooted in character relationships, about being alone but trying to stay connected.

    Hi-Fi Rush - Great cast of characters who are heavily involved with story and often around or talking to you.

    Just Cause 3 - Probably the best in the series, for threading the comedy/action needle and giving you characters that are really lovable.

    Katamari Damacy - Feel the love of the King of All Cosmos!

    Life is Strange - Rooted entirely around your relationships with close friends and classmates.

    Mad Max - Your own personal Gollum!

    Nier Automata - You’ll always have your PODs.

    Portal 2 - Wheatley will keep you good company.

    Psychonauts / Psychonauts 2 - How can you be lonely when you’re inside someone else’s mind?

    SkateBIRD - Make friends with birds!

    Terraria - There’s always some new villager to find.

    dual_sport_dork, (edited )
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Katamari Damacy

    Which typically culminates in rolling up everyone on Earth by the time you get to the final stage, no less. If that’s not a group hug, I don’t know what is.

    Edit: I’m also going to second the Psychonauts recommendation, especially the second game. Despite the gameplay itself inevitably lending itself to the protagonist performing every little bit of work by himself, there are strong themes of teamwork all throughout the game’s story and the excellence of its final sequence cannot be understated:

    Ding dong.

    Whale-O-Gram.

    SnotFlickerman,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I wanna wad you up into my life / Let’s roll up to be a single star in the sky

    Such a killer fucking happy/upbeat soundtrack, too.

    SnotFlickerman,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    To your edit, similarly the final sequence of Nier Automata is so deeply rooted in not being alone, and encouraging one another, and being there for one another. A chance to break the cycle.

    If I recall correctly, Yoko Taro had said he had been somewhat inspire by this Coca-cola campaign the “Small World Machines.”

    classic,

    Excellent list. I was wondering if BG3 was too obvious a suggestion, but it fits the bill, right?

    Edit: maybe some of the Yakuza games would work?

    B0NK3RS,
    @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

    Psychonauts didn’t come to mind but it’s actually a really good suggestion.

    corvett,

    I felt oddly alone in Psychonauts, though.

    Also, is your PFP yellowboze?

    B0NK3RS,
    @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

    is your PFP yellowboze?

    Yes it is.

    I can see why you felt that but all the characters in both games are so wonderful that to me it was the opposite feeling.

    Davel23,

    Mad Max - Your own personal Gollum!

    Fun fact: Chumbucket has a bit part in Furiosa.

    SnotFlickerman,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    That’s a neat fun fact I didn’t know, thanks! Looking it up now.

    IchNichtenLichten,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    Firewatch - Story driven rooted in character relationships, about being alone but trying to stay connected.

    My pick as well. It’s well written with a nice relationship at its center.

    Kolanaki, do games w Why does the PC gaming industry still use such deceptive pricing?
    !deleted6508 avatar

    The PC side of this is not all that bad, outside of EA and Ubisoft.

    Meanwhile, Nintendo doesn’t even have sales. Games that launched with the switch are still $60-70.

    elvith,

    Nintendo in my experience:

    Physical: Get it right on release day (or in the first week after) in retail for about 40€, otherwise you will have to rely on rare good retail discounts to get it below 55€

    Digital: Don’t you even dare to think about discounts

    PieMePlenty,

    I don’t know how to feel about Nintendo pricing. On one hand, all of their games keep their value long after release, but that also means they are hard to get cheaply. I know when I sold my 8 3DS games a few years ago, I made about 230 eur which was pretty good for some used games. I dont play their games anymore but I’m not sure I’d even want to now since they never drop in price.

    Anivia,

    Yes, because the only people buying Nintendo Switch games are the ones who don’t care about the price in the first place. If you want to save money on switch games you just pirate them

    Paradachshund,

    I haven’t owned a Nintendo console for many years now because I kept waiting for the cost to go down (it never has).

    unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov,

    Nintendo does have sales from time to time, they’re just rarely great discounts. If you have a switch and you wishlist games they will email you if your wishlisted game goes on sale.

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