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Cyberflunk, do games w Subscription models like Xbox Game Pass are "not properly valuing" developers, says former Bethesda exec

Fucking shit. The fucked as shit distributors and aggregation giants are devaluing developers. Stypid shit sucking weiner puking looser smooth brained FUCKS

PUNCH UP!! Wtf

cerebralhawks, do games w Subscription models like Xbox Game Pass are "not properly valuing" developers, says former Bethesda exec

Former not current… Bethesda never saw a dollar they didn’t like.

Katana314, do games w Subscription models like Xbox Game Pass are "not properly valuing" developers, says former Bethesda exec

It sounds plausible Sony and Microsoft don’t have very fair algorithms to decide what a dev earns for their subscription. That’s an internal element, and we don’t get to see that calculation.

Imagine a guy hears about Game Pass, and sees he can play Spiritfarer on it. “Spiritfarer!? That awesome emotional experience that everyone says they cried at? I’m definitely playing that!” 5-ish hours later, they’ve finished the game, and thoroughly enjoyed it, but the subscription is still going.

At this point, the subscriber decides they may as well play State of Decay 2 mindlessly the rest of the month, often without much interest, but trusts another excellent singleplayer indie darling will arrive next month.

I’d bet the algorithm may pay the SOD2 devs far more in that case because numbers show that’s what “kept them engaged”, not to mention live service games like SOD2 have DLC to entice people into.

Theres absolutely a danger in that thinking, since most people bought a PS5 after seeing Sony’s incredible singleplayer games, and I believe that’s primarily what gets people into Game Pass too.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Through lawsuits, we did get to see what those payouts were in the past, and they’re all individually negotiated in lump sums, not determined by algorithm. And those payouts were from the good days. Reporting indicates those payouts have dropped off dramatically, which was followed by a drop-off of Xbox ports, since that seems to be the primary way Xbox players play games at all.

Zorque,

At least for video streaming services, they care more about new subscribers than retaining subscribers. That State of Decay may be a retention game, but the indie darling was the first thing they played upon subscribing. That’s likely going to hold more weight.

Launch, do games w Subscription models like Xbox Game Pass are "not properly valuing" developers, says former Bethesda exec
@Launch@piefed.social avatar

Wait, you are telling me 20 dollars a month isn't enough to sustain a gaming service that releases all of xboxs unreal engine 5 slop day 1??!?? Could have never guessed

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It actually is, and they listed that in the article.

ampersandrew, do games w Subscription models like Xbox Game Pass are "not properly valuing" developers, says former Bethesda exec
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve seen Mat Piscatella talking about this, and it seems like his take is, paraphrasing, “it values different games”. Some games see far more success with the broad access they get to subscriptions, and some see less, which seems to be corroborated by the author of this article.

Subscriptions have become the new four letter word, right? You can’t buy a product anymore.

I mean…you can for anything in Game Pass, but that’s not the case for Nintendo.

Without wishing to portray myself as a comprehensive researcher … I have come across one study of Xbox Game Pass and PlayStation Plus that appears to bear elements … showing that in contrast to the music or movie and TV industry, these subscription services have not “substantially cannibalized existing revenue streams”.

And I think a lot of that has to do with how much longer we spend with a given game than any song or movie. And even in television, every current show is on some streaming service, and you really can’t buy those, but in games, it’s the opposite. With few exceptions, you can just about always buy the game, and they’re often not present on a subscription service. When games are sold, they tend to command a higher price, too.

Then, not mentioned in the article, are weird cases like Indiana Jones or Doom, where they’re quality games that don’t sell many copies despite impressive pedigrees, presumably because everyone knows they can get them on Game Pass. But then games like STALKER 2 or Clair Obscur, with low-ish review scores and basically no pedigree, respectively, sell plenty of copies despite being available for far cheaper on Game Pass. Some of this might be the association with Game Pass being for Microsoft-owned studios or something, and Microsoft is aiding that association by making fewer lucrative deals for third party studios.

Dead_or_Alive, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm

I don’t buy civ games until they release all the DLC. Since CIV 5 it seems like they have released unfinished games that lack major game mechanics on launch and the game only gets finished through DLC.

Poor adoption and sales with CIV 7 is their own fault. They have conditioned the market to wait for the DLC.

Olap, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm

Anyone actually playing 7? I know of no one personally, and I’ve played them all religiously

warm,

Nah, 5 is still the goat.

zipzoopaboop,

Yeah they lost me on 6 and 7 looks to go even further in that direction

Justas,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nah, 4 is still the best.

comador,
@comador@lemmy.world avatar

Beyond the Sword with Leonard Nemoy narrating of course.

Justas,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

There are also a bunch of mods, including the total conversion ones.

BombOmOm,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Naw, 5 and 6 are where it is at.

Nelots,

Nah, 2 was the series peak.

iMastari,

Naw, 1 was the GOAT. The full game, no DLC, one price.

brucethemoose, (edited )
MBech,

That’s about as expected. As a big fan of civ, it just looked like a worse version of 6, which was a worse version of 5.

Only reason for the bigger playercount of 6 is because of Sean Bean’s incredible narration.

brucethemoose,

I bet proportionally more DRM-free buyers play 5 and 4 too.

SlartyBartFast,

Just want a version that is strategic-view only

warm,

You can play Unciv I guess, I don't see why you would want a strategic view only though? Nothing stopping you just using that mode exclusively yourself.

SlartyBartFast,

It’s because my computer is old

warm,

I think you can enable it as the default mode and then it will load the game quicker? Definitely checkout Unciv though if you haven't already!

SlartyBartFast,

UnCiv is honestly wicked, it deserves a lot more limelight than it gets

pycorax,

Honestly that’s just how Civ has been for the past few releases, most people don’t get it until the typical set of 2 major expansion packs come out and eventually go on sale. The base price of the full package has always been crazy high.

brucethemoose,

We will see. 'Cause for all Civ 6’s (and every Civ’s) controversy, this feels different… It’s like people have forgotten 7.

AmbiguousProps,
@AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today avatar

Nah, I didn’t even bother. I only play 5 & 6.

CrabAndBroom,

I played through exactly one full game, and it just felt… pointless, I guess? Like I was just clicking through turns to get to the end and none of it mattered. Then it told me I’d lost and was like “K” and then played Civ VI for a bit.

BlameTheAntifa,

It shipped with Denuvo and I don’t pay for malware. It’s the first Civ game I haven’t bought at launch. I’m including the original.

Ugurcan,

It doesn’t have Hot Seat either. I instantly refunded when I realized that. How the hell a Civ game have multiplayer but not hot seat?

Prathas,

Might it get added later, hopefully?

Ugurcan,

I don’t buy promises anymore, sorry.

Bademantel,
@Bademantel@lemmy.world avatar

I mean why play an unfinished game? The radical changes sound interesting to me but it needs at least two add-ons to flourish, the same old story as with 5 and 6. I can wait and pick up the complete experience for half the price if that ever sees the light of day after the layoffs.

EncryptKeeper,

Well they removed the ability to play as “A civilization” in the game called “Civilization” so yeah everyone I know has swore off it.

lmagitem, (edited )

Yes and no. If you want to play China you can play as the various chinese incarnations from beginning to end.

It only works with China for some mysterious reason though.

Cornelius_Wangenheim,

It still amazes me they took the worst feature from Humankind and somehow made it worse.

Walk_blesseD,

Yeah, I like it. It's definitely an unfinished product and lacking a lot of content and polish atm, but it's got the bones of a good game. Absolutely not worth the current asking price tho

SereneSadie, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm

Stop supporting 2K shit.

I’ve been saying this for years. And nobody listens.

TipRing,

I listened. I bought Civ6, hated it, didn’t get any of the predatory DLC and went back to Civ4. Didn’t give Civ7 so much as a glance. Sad to hear it went downhill from 6 though.

Bonesince1997,

I think some of the DLC is what made Civ6 eventually tolerable. But that’s already a bad sign.

TipRing,

It is a Civ tradition, BotS made Civ4 amazing, but I’d argue the base game was solid and just needed some mechanical polish.

Lumisal,

Yup, without Luigi there to kill the bugs it’s been pretty tough I suppose.

comador,
@comador@lemmy.world avatar

This. Fuck 2K Games, quit buying their shitty EA level titles and move on.

ArchmageAzor, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

If you’re a game developer, it’s probably best to avoid big devs. Go indie instead.

lechekaflan, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm
@lechekaflan@lemmy.world avatar

Game devs really have to keep their CVs ready at anytime given how uncertain their jobs are.

Kolanaki, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

“It was just Terry because he kept stealing pens from the supply closet for his own personal use.”

Lost_My_Mind,

20 years ago I had a boss that always held his pens in his mouth.

So one day, when I was the only guy in the office, I took all his pens, and one by one stuck them up my butt.

Then I put them back in his cup.

Varying9125,

are you familiar with ass pennies?

InternetCitizen2,
@InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world avatar

Wtf

CatsGoMOW,

Bender bit a poo penny!

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

What did your boss do to deserve this?

I mean, what specifically?

lagoon8622,

He held his pen in his mouth 🤬🤬

Sonor,

username checks out

kandoh, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm
@kandoh@reddthat.com avatar

C levels need to free up cash for their holiday bonuses

Zirconium, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm

They must have built a mine over a monument

garretble, do games w Civilization 7 developers Firaxis have laid off an unspecified number of workers, 2K confirm
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

I have a friend who was laid off from there today. Definitely feel bad for them.

Nico_198X, do games w Paradox are "making adjustments" to Bloodlines 2's day-one vampire clan DLC plans, following backlash
@Nico_198X@europe.pub avatar

what is the future of this IP? i feel like Paradox has fumbled this at every turn.

shani66,

Dead. Well, they’ve did a rebrand on an internal team back to the name white wolf, but a rebrand doesn’t mean anything. Maybe paradox will change going forward, but they seem to genuinely hate the WoD franchise so I’m not holding my breath.

Nico_198X,
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oddly enough i think they actually love the IP, but are just legit terrible at managing it. maybe their ideas are just bad. XD

i’ll stick with Onyx Path. they should have just done that.

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