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Shurimal, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 has ruined Starfield for me

Well, one is a linear, turn-based, 3rd person party cRPG.

The other is open world, real-time, 1st person with optional followers, sandbox action-RPG with space shooter elements.

Utterly different animals and any comparison is as invalid as comparing BG3 to Elite, DCS or RaceRoom. I've no interest at all in BG3 because turn-based party RPG-s are not really my jam. And I've never cared much about story-telling, either. I like good worldbuilding, sandboxing, looting, crafting, trying different builds, doing whatever the hell I like at any moment while completely forgetting that something called "main quest" exists, getting technical and modding the crap out of a game and this is where Bethesda shines.

Brocken40,

Does the c in crpg even matter? Arent all video game action rpgs crpgs?

Shurimal,

Generally the term cRPG is used for specifically tabletop RPG-s adapted to digital realm. Action RPG-s take those classical RPG concepts and adapt them to a first- or third-person action game—basically Doom with leveling systems.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

No it isn’t. CRPGs are the original Fallout games as well.

the_artic_one,

I had heard that the original Fallout/Wasteland was based on GURPS.

hogart,
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All I heard was a BURP.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

Wasteland was not.

Fallout was going to be but was denied the rights because of the violence in the game. They created thier own SPECiAL system.

Thatsalotofpotatoes,

CRPG isn’t necessarily based on tabletop. It’s moreso the isometric, point and click style

Apollo,

Starfield has good worldbuilding? “Pick your flavour of capitalist”, such worldbuild much wow.

raccoona_nongrata, do gaming w Bards are Baldur's Gate 3's best class and I can't imagine playing it as anything else
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  • cdipierr,

    Especially if you’re playing a class not covered by the default companions. My paladin has been awesome, smashing goblins with a Warhammer, and still able to talk her way through just about anything. Playing a wizard, rogue, or cleric feels like it would make it tough to justify bringing someone along.

    Catastrophic235,
    @Catastrophic235@midwest.social avatar

    I tried a rogue that I built into heavy crossbows and line-holding while also having Ass Orion, there are definitely times I feel that it was redundant/wasteful (such as skill checks) but it pays off during stealth fights.

    Having 2 characters that can move, enter stealth, and sneak attack in the same turn is extremely powerful.

    [SPOILERS BELOW] Beat the cenobite doctor and the toll house lady back to back using this at lvl6, neither bosses got any attacks off on my guys. Idk if this is supposed to be impressive or anything, but In both cases I used both rouges to exploit the bosses AI, although admittedly the toll house fight was clearly designed for stealth.

    cdipierr,

    Ass Orion, The Mighty Hunter… Of Ass.

    FlashMobOfOne,
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    My bard and Astarion work as a team to do the robbing. When you perform, crowds gather around you, so it’s very useful for redirecting prying eyes so Astarion can pick pockets.

    Caligvla, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it
    @Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    What in the fuck. Can devs please start compressing this shit better? I know this is more of a me problem, but this is like half my SSD just for this game alone. Ridiculous.

    GeekFTW,
    @GeekFTW@kbin.social avatar

    I know this is more of a me problem

    Naw naw fuck that fam, this is very much a them problem. 122gb is fucking ridiculous.

    iNeedScissors67,
    @iNeedScissors67@kbin.social avatar

    I was going to install CoD: Cold War from PS+ on my PS5 since I wanted to check out the campaign but I'd never buy it. Fuckin 230 GB for that shit. I lol'd a bit and moved on to something else. So ridiculous.

    GeekFTW,
    @GeekFTW@kbin.social avatar

    Lmao 230gigs fuck that. Sitting here cursing my own life because I have 10 gigs of Sims 4 mods. For 230GB the game better come with a hologram that pops out of a USB port to suck my fucking cock.

    iNeedScissors67,
    @iNeedScissors67@kbin.social avatar

    The only games I'll bother keeping installed that are over 100gb are my ESO with all the addons on PC, and Star Wars Battlefront II on PS5, and only because my friends and I play co-op every Friday night. But it's still ludicrous. My most played game recently, Battlebit Remastered, is a whopping 3 GB lol.

    Zahille7,

    Is it sad that I’m surprised when a game is under 20gb nowadays?

    Zahille7,

    I think the largest game I’ve ever installed on any of my devices was like 120gb, and that was The Master Chief Collection so that makes bit of sense.

    Raji_Lev,
    @Raji_Lev@kbin.social avatar

    Just one more reason why the obsession with the latest greatest OMGWTF HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the Atari Jaguar.

    LoafyLemon,

    We can compress textures into ridiculously small sizes, I doubt it's a problem. Audio on the other hand...

    In a dialogue heavy game such as this one, each voice line for each language must be shipped with the game on steam. There's no way to split the downloads between regions and languages from within developer console on steam.

    I think it's one of the most popular requests devs posted in the dev forums.

    ZickZack,

    Standard lossless compression (without further assumptions) is already very close to being as optimal as it can get: At some point the pure entropy of these huge datasets just is not containable anymore.

    The most likely savior in this case would be procedural rendering (i.e. instead of storing textures and meshes, you store a function that deterministically generates the meshes and textures). These already are starting to become popular due to better engine support, but pose a huge challenge from a design POV (the nice e.g. blender-esque interfaces don't really translate well to this kind of process).

    EvaUnit02,
    @EvaUnit02@kbin.social avatar

    Not everything can be easily compressed to significantly smaller sizes. In fact, for any random arrangement of bytes, finding one that is compressable by any significant amount is rare.

    that_one_guy,

    I’m sure that what can be compressed is compressed in these game files. What we really need is more intelligent assets. When downloading, the platform should take your localization settings and only download the assets required for that locale. I bet this would heavily reduce the size of many of these games.

    QHC,
    @QHC@kbin.social avatar

    I don't think that localization would help much. Most, probably all, assets that are taking up so much storage space are not going to include language directly.

    crystalcorvid,

    I'd be willing to bet that the game will be available in a compressed format from a repack site with no content loss. At least 30% smaller. A recent example that I just checked, Forspoken, Original Size: 103.9 GB Repack Size: from 63.6 GB

    Before I had an unlimited connection for monthly bandwidth usage I would frequently download an already purchased game from the repack site and then have steam "repair" it. Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War come to mind specifically. Saved so much of my limits at the time.

    conciselyverbose,

    What they need to do is utilize steam's branch feature to allow smaller installs for low resolution assets and with minimal language support without an opt in to other languages needed.

    The steam deck really has me wishing Steam had pushed for that as part of fully verified (or have "great on deck" be a tier above and only for games that do the extras like that). So much space is spent on things I don't need at 800p

    oo1,

    yeah, I don't want to fill my steamdeck with 4k res assets.

    sunbeam60,

    Eh… you can have high quality assets or you can have small size, but you can’t have both.

    Game assets are typically some of the most heavily compressed assets there are (it’s often quicker, even from SSDs, to load a compressed asset and uncompress it than otherwise). There’s an entire middleware industry grown up around minimising asset sizes while keeping quality. 122 GB to me just screams “this game is fucking massive” rather than “this game is horribly unoptimised”.

    Covenant, do games w If Peter Molyneux had a time machine to remake his cursed cube game, 'what you would give, now, would be a cryptocurrency thing'

    Aah Peter, that fucking lying hype cunt!

    utopiah, do games w Former BioWare lead writer reads the runes on EA-Saudi deal and speculates that 'guns and football' are in, 'gay stuff' is out, and the venerable RPG studio may be for the chop

    “read the runes” … people need to stopping believing that money is money. Money is money AND strings attached. It’s totally different to get 1 EUR from a friend vs 1 EUR from a brank vs 1 EUR from VC vs 1 EUR of public subsidies. Money NEVER comes without string so one must be cautious they are not getting a noose around their neck while signing a contract.

    PS: IMHO NLNet is an example of “good” money. Other examples welcomed. In software in the game “industry” specifically I don’t know where one can find non “bad” money so please if you have examples, do share.

    yakko,

    Bad money chases out good, they say.

    utopiah,

    Fascinating, digging into en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law then, thanks for bringing that up!

    yakko,

    I thought I might be playing it loose applying it to the case of private equity in the creative arts, but it feels right

    Lushed_Lungfish, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm

    Ah, I’m so relieved. For a second I thought they were going to stop being absolute dog shit.

    mhague, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm

    Before they bought EA: EA is literally the devil.

    After they bought EA: Great, there goes our EA!

    inclementimmigrant,

    More like: Damn, there’s another level of hell?

    EncryptKeeper,

    Well there was just some base level of hope in the back of some people’s minds that one day they might get their shit together and now that hope is entirely gone.

    Duamerthrax,

    Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two pictures.

    Kolanaki, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect
    @Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

    MMO with a subscription?

    Bitch, you ain’t WoW. And I won’t even pay a subscription for WoW.

    markz, do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'

    Shiny.

    dom, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

    I would be far more open to mo they subscriptions if I didnt have to pay for the game upfront.

    I would probably play wow and pay monthly if i didnt have to pay for the game and all the expansions as well as the subscription.

    Just too much money imo for what I would get out of the experience

    BarbecueCowboy,

    Not saying it’s entirely cool, but wow base game purchase usually includes all expansions except the latest nowadays and that rolls (you get newer ones as more expansions are released) if you had an account historically.

    dom,

    Oh that’s good to know. I wasn’t aware of that

    vane, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?

    Food safety organs need to inspect all those Stardew Valley farms.

    Soapbox, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

    I haven’t played more than about 30 minutes of a Borderlands game. But from clips I have seen of all of them over the years, they all look exactly the same. Sounds to me like it’s just a poorly optimized game, as is standard for new AAA slop releases.

    User79185, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

    You need to have $500 gpu to hit 60fps with 1080p native, this is hilariously bad.

    SailorFuzz,

    I haven’t seen a $500 gpu in near a decade. Even used. If you see a $500 gpu today, I guarantee you it can’t run Borderlands 4.

    orca, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

    So what I’m hearing is that it’s not even worth trying to play on a Steam Deck 😂

    morbidcactus, (edited )

    I did it for the hell of it, I think it had 60-80 fpm after the opening cutscene, literal slideshow experience.

    There’s people on proton db claiming higher frames, but like 18-22 fps, def far from playable

    AdolfSchmitler, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

    How tf do companies get to say this shit and still be in business?? Are there that many people who just blindly bend over and take it?? Don’t people have standards anymore?

    Flamekebab,
    @Flamekebab@piefed.social avatar

    Most of their customers don't listen to them. Not hear and disregard, never listen in the first place. Have no interest in game industry gossip.

    psx_crab,

    Yes. It’s in the top selling list in Steam and have 300k concurrent player top. People give him power to say that.

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