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ViatorOmnium, do gaming w 'A game, once sold, belongs to the customer': Prominent EU politician stands up for Stop Killing Games

It was Nicolae Ștefănuță from the Greens–European Free Alliance which was always going to be one of the political groups more likely to support this initiative.

We need to convince MEPs in the PES and EPP to really get a directive approved.

melroy, do gaming w 'A game, once sold, belongs to the customer': Prominent EU politician stands up for Stop Killing Games
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Please be sure to sign it if you are from the EU. We might need 1.4 million signatures, since some people signed from outside the EU. And those will not count.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/eci

Dremor, do games w Subnautica 2 studio begs rioting fans for benefit of the doubt after leadership axed by owner Krafton: 'The team that has been working on the game day-to-day ... remains completely unchanged'
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly I liked a lot Subnautica 1, and despite the leadership change, still look forward to Subnautica 2. Better juge on the product than on internet dramas.

Passerby6497,

My interest in subnautica 2 is like the actual second game: below zero.

The first game and below zero are so different I’m not confident they know what about the first game was what drew people in.

Zorque,

Sometimes people have ideas that just don’t work out. Even if the same people make another game, unless they just make a carbon copy they’re going to try and do something different. Sometimes it doesn’t work as well as the original, but at least it’s not churning out the same thing over and over and hoping people don’t notice.

Granted, Gamefreak has basically been doing that for 25 years, so what do I know?

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The first game was one of the buggiest mess I’ve ever seen with a game that has so much praise. And this was seven years after it launched.

mysticpickle,

I heard it had a lot of issues during testing but I didn’t personally have any issues with it having played it the first time 4 years ago nor have I heard of any widespread game breaking bugs. Might just be your particular system :o

innermachine,

On final release I never suffered a single bug

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I find that hard to believe.

  • Draw distance sucks for a vast ocean of plants and sealife. Seriously, I have a really good video card, and this fucking Unity engine can’t draw 500 feet in front of me.
  • So many wall “suggestions”, clipping, other graphical glitches, especially near the end area
  • Incredible music, but it’s barely heard because the game either cuts it off midway through or decides to go silent most of the time
  • Bad save serializations that can sometimes spam a ton of error messages on load
  • You can’t kill anything, including warpers that are more dangerous than leviathans
  • Can’t walk with a Prawn in an alien base, because you end up getting stuck on the floor for some reason
  • Reaper in caves, who can drop you off the map
  • An insulting unrealistic O2 meter, and not enough keyslots
  • The Cyclops is. Fucking. Useless. By the time you get this thing, the leeches in volcano areas fuck you over, when power is already a precious resource. And it still needs full upgrades to make it even remotely useful in Lost River.
  • Torpedos are useless. Flares, Floating lockers, air pipeworks, nuclear reactor, alien containment, all useless.
  • Death might as well be like hardcore, since losing a vehicle is worse than losing 30 minutes of progress
Wrufieotnak,

I also find it unbelievable that the other player never experienced bugs, because I also had a lot of them during my play through.

But your list is a complete mess with a mixture of bugs and design decisions. And the latter aren’t bugs. That’s just not how it works. It would make your argument stronger, if you stay with the facts and not include your personal disagreements with game features.

XM34,

Half of those aren’t even bugs. They’re intendes gameplay elements and they are what makes Subnautica such a good game! No being able to easily kill most creature is what makes the game better. Torpedos being borderline useless is what makes the game better. The extremely limited O2 meter makes the game better!

The cyclops is amazing. You’re just very obviously use it wrong. It’s not meant to explore the volcanic region. It’s meant as a mobile base and it absolutely excells at this!

Honestly, the draw distance optimization may be the only valid concern here.

The_Decryptor,
@The_Decryptor@aussie.zone avatar

Draw distance sucks for a vast ocean of plants and sealife. Seriously, I have a really good video card, and this fucking Unity engine can’t draw 500 feet in front of me.

If anything Subnautica lets you see too much.

Hadriscus,

Yea it had a few bugs. As far as I’m concerned those never spoiled the fun or the fantastic atmosphere.

Orygin,

IIRC, they did not really know what the first game was about while developing it. I remember reading a dev blog about them adding a bug report in game with screenshot attached, and how that helped them understand players expectations and direct the development of the game towards that instead of having a pre-defined vision of the final game.

absquatulate,

Yeah, this is the right approach, especially with the subnautica community that seems to be really thirsty for drama. I was going to wait for reviews anyway before getting it, so this whole “devs beg community” is probably for the preordering folk.

That said, my money’s on “subnautica 2 will disappoint regardless” because it continues to build on the original instead of being new. What made the original so good was the novelty of that format, combined with the horror aspect and the fresh lore. Now, after two games set in the same world and the same general flow, people know what to expect so they will be extra picky about s2 and I wager they will end up underwhelmed. I’m still hoping s2 will at least be extra pretty because goddamn if I didn’t love the environments of the first two games.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

The “internet drama” exists because the product is a reflection of the leadership.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

In which case we’ll juge in the final product if the choices the leadership, previous or current, were the right one or not.

All we have currently are some images, some first hand infos, and a lot of speculations.

tomi000,

Does the same logic apply to shoes hand-sewn by sick children?
How the fuck did capitalism manage to make people care more for inanimate objects or software than actual human beings.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Could you explain the link between both subject ?

tomi000,

Just an example of another situation where the way of production shouldnt be ignored in favor of a good product.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

I understand what kind of analogy you want to bring, but that’d be both a false equivalence, as wall as an appeal to pity.

You are trying to portray a black and white picture about a situation we all know little about. It’s word for word, and in such case it be hard to give more credits to either party.

I heard that there is a lawsuit brewing, maybe this will give us more objective informations.

In the meantime, the only way to see if either the founders or Krafton vision would be the best would be to release the EA, even with the lack of content Krafton is complaining about. Like that we would be able to make our own conclusion.

tomi000,

It was exaggerated but I was referring to your willingness to ignore the circumstances of its creation in favor of a good product

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

I would not ignore if Krafton do betray UW employees. But I also take into account that for now it is word for word, and depending on which side you believe, both sides can be sided with.

If the three ousted exec did abandon their responsibility as Krafton said, their dismissal is justified. If not and that’s a way to not pay the promissed bonus, then a boycot is justified.

There isn’t many way to know, other than releasing the EA now. Like that the customer can have and idea of the true state of the game, without having to base its opinion on a bandwagon.

tomi000,

I agree. But you said “Better juge on the product than on internet dramas.” and I dont see how the game would tell us anything about how Krafton fucks the developers.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Krafton says that the game isn’t yet worthy of EA. Ousted led dev says that it is. Someone is probably lying here. Only way to put an end to that is to lanch the EA this year, for us to juge if it is enough content or not.

tomi000,

Which will not happen because it would cost them $250m, please dont pretend to be so ignorant.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

From what I’ve read, that bonus isn’t tied to a specific release, but to an earning target.

Not being able to get to that target is tied to the fact that Subnautica 2 EA should have been a huge cash influx, which now isn’t possible due to the delay, and the only remaining way would have been either a sudden renewed Subnautica 1 and BZ success or for the mobile version to be a incredible success, which I doubt.

Releasing the EA wouldn’t be an “I win button” from UW. It could go both way. Either the current state is enough for user to buy it, and not refund it, or it will be a resounding failure, with huge refund percentages. In the first case, this may allow UW to get to that target, but in the second case, it may in the worst case make the studio go under before Subnautica had any chance to be released completed

Nelots, do games w Vintage Story aims to save a piece of Hytale by hiring former Hypixel developers to create a new 'Adventure Mode' for the hardcore survival game

I hope they can make it work, but honestly I don't see how. The two games share very little similarities outside of being blocky survival games, and even then the focus on their respective genres are completely different. With VS being a gritty realistic survival game with very few fantasy elements at all, and Hytale being a fantasy RPG with some survival elements.

It'd be like Project Zomboid coming out and saying they're going to work on a fantasy gamemode where instead of zombies and guns, you have goblins and dragons and magic and shit. Sure, why not, but at this point you have to change so much about your game's identity that you're going to end up making a completely different game inside of your game rather than just a separate gamemode.

ampy,
@ampy@discuss.online avatar

I’m their blog post they said if it works out, they will probably use their engine to make another separate game

_cryptagion, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity

The auction also includes the stapled Switch 2 console and box, the staple that did the damage, and a pair of the GameStop CEO’s underwear, which I will explain within.

you know what, I’m actually not that curious.

Kolanaki, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

How much for the employee that did the stapling?

minibyte,

$11 an hour.

sugar_in_your_tea,

That’s like 4.5 years of labor for $100k!

RightHandOfIkaros,

Whatever you are willing to pay, since they are most likely looking for a new job. They have experience in damage stacking and liability research. And stapling.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Hmm, I have a Tesla dealership nearby that seems short on staples…

HeyJoe, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity

Its now at 220k… I get its for a charity, but wow. It’s always crazy how much dumb money people have sometimes. 220k would be life changing for me…

Sagan_Wept,

You should bid, for the lolz

sugar_in_your_tea,

Best I can do is tree fiddy.

LettyWhiterock, do games w Shark Dentist is a 'horror roguelike' that's basically The Meg mashed up with an early '90s Milton Bradley toy
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar
  1. Looks disgusting like the mobile game ads I see on tumblr
  2. Looks fake like the mobile game ads I see on Tumblr.
Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Tumblr is still around?

RebekahWSD,
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

Quite active, actually. Despite the owners trying to kill it by removing porn, it keeps on trucking. Just you, your dashboard, and the never ending urge to curate the feed.

innermachine,

No kidding. I haven’t used tumblr in I think a decade and change now? It has been a long time. Might have to check it out again

RebekahWSD,
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

I check in occasionally for inspiration for writing, still very good for that! No idea how the porn is going. I’m assuming fine, I don’t think they actually managed to get rid of a lot of it.

Zedd_Prophecy, do games w Shark Dentist is a 'horror roguelike' that's basically The Meg mashed up with an early '90s Milton Bradley toy

I had that game and I think it was a late 80s thing. Even more fun if you replaced it’s original rubber bands with much beefier ones.

kryptonianCodeMonkey,

“Haha. You lost! You have to point with your middle finger from now on!”

Squizzy, do games w Shark Dentist is a 'horror roguelike' that's basically The Meg mashed up with an early '90s Milton Bradley toy

“whishlist”

ICastFist, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Future museum
“And here we have yet another product of double human stupidity: one for stapling an electronic and another for buying the entire thing for over 120k dollars”

otacon239,

I don’t think the person surrendering $120,000 actually cares about the console so much as they’re donating to charity.

drmoose,

Gamifying altruism kinda works

otacon239,

Yeah, even if it’s a big brand attachment or whatever, I’m never going to complain about a big charity donation. (as long as it’s not a bogus charity, of course)

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Isn’t Gamestop also running HumbleBundle? I kinda expect the final amount the charity gets to be 60% of the auction, tops

Odo,

IGN owns Humble.

Supervisor194, do games w Shark Dentist is a 'horror roguelike' that's basically The Meg mashed up with an early '90s Milton Bradley toy
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

Christ I have to stop browsing Lemmy in the middle of the night.

AstroLightz, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity
@AstroLightz@lemmy.world avatar

This is that duct tape banana all over again.

prole, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity

Oh ok, it’s got a piece of paper that says it’s real so it must be

nekusoul, do games w The GameStop stapler that punctured a Switch 2 screen on launch day is being auctioned off for charity
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

I’m actually a bit impressed this feat was done using a regular office stapler and not an industry stapler.

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