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Atomic, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Why are they getting so much attention for it?

Nintendo does the same with BoTW and ToTK. Long dev cycles that releases a functional game without micro-transactions.

FromSoft does the same with most of their games. Where people actually beg them to release DLCs.

But no… it’s Larion they seem to go after.

Nintendo is huge. FromSoft has their own cult. But Larion? What’s can they blame there? Nothing. Most big studios that bitch about this is larger than Larion. Maybe because they are more scared that if Larion can do it. There’s no excuse anymore.

CaptPretentious,

I think it’s due to the little guy making a huge wave that other people don’t feel they’re “allowed” to make. These other devs work on “AAA” companies working on big name titles from studios everyone has heard of so. But now a small, indie studio comes along with a grand slam and they don’t like it kind of makes them look bad by comparison. Showing you can release a big complex game without it being an absolute buggy mess, doesn’t need microtransactions, doesn’t need to sell millions of copies to be considered a success, and isn’t just a copy paste of the previous game with a handful of modifications made to slap a new “FOR SALE” label on it…

Goronmon,

But now a small, indie studio comes along with a grand slam and they don’t like it kind of makes them look bad by comparison.

Larian is similar in size, if not significantly larger, than Bethesda when they made Skyrim.

Gogogadget,

Less established though. I'd say that Larian wasn't on most gamers' radar until Divinity Orginal Sin 2.

Misconduct,

Even then I feel like they were too underrated for their obvious potential. I’m glad the studio is fully in the spotlight now. With so many shitty companies out there it feels like they earned and deserve it. Now we just have to hope they don’t fall to temptation and turn to crap like so many others

Syo,
@Syo@kbin.social avatar

"AAA" in price tag only.

(Content may vary. Please purchase premium battle pass to see more details.)

Atomic,

You’re not referring to Larion as a small indie studio right? They are not a small indie studio.

AdmiralShat,

I personally think this is because gaming journalism isn’t real journalism. They don’t actually care, they just want clicks and perceived relevancy when people repost their tweets to reddit

Asafum,

“They don’t actually care, they just want clicks and perceived relevancy when people repost their tweets to reddit”

Kinda sounds like real media to me then lol they all suck if they’re major corporate media.

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

A lot of journalists do care, but they also have a job to do and a boss that tells them which articles to write.

Like I don’t care about whatever business my company is competing in, but I’ll keep working for them because they pay me.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

but I’ll keep working for them because they pay me.

That’s just it, you can move to a different company that has a better working situation in environment. You just have to be a brave enough to fight the inertia that keeps you where you’re at.

And in fact, if you want your salary to steadily increase over your career, you’re supposed to move from company to company every couple of years.

pomodoro_longbreak,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah I’m thankful to have got that advice pretty early in my career. Generally get itchy feet around 3 years now.

FeelsGouda, (edited )

I think the “problem” for those people is that the game broke out of its bubble. nintendo, from soft and also larion up until now all had their own bubble of fans. Larion broke that mold and even people who have nothing to do with the genre celebrate it.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Critical mass has been achieved.

assassin_aragorn,

There was plenty of distaste for Elden Ring when it came out – devs at Ubisoft I believe ridiculed how the UI wasn’t informative and such.

I think AAA studios are terrified because they’re seeing just how much consumers value quality over quantity and MTX bullshit. Games that should be in self contained bubbles are now hitting mainstream and becoming absurdly popular.

CheezyWeezle,

Lmao Ubisoft of all folks should shut the fuck up about UI, they are literally the source of the meme about cluttered and overly complicated UI. If Ubisoft is complaining about a UI I have to automatically assume it is a good UI.

Also, if AAA developers have been paying attention for the last decade, they would know that consumers have valued quality and shown disdain for MTX since MTX started becoming pervasive. MTX overall can generate a lot of revenue, but it isnt sustainable, hence why there is always some sort of FOMO characteristic included with the MTX system, making things limited time and constantly shovelling low effort “new content” to fill out the MTX system.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

They’ve been working for almost a generation now on changing the mindset of gamers as to what they should expect from a game, and here comes a really good game from a little known studio doing exactly what games used to expect before the mind changing was attempted.

Blackmist,

Most of the Sony exclusives are the same. God of War, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima.

Just solid AAA single player games, no nickel and dime bullshit.

Every F2P model is predatory as fuck, and relies on taking advantage of whales over a prolonged period.

Not_Alec_Baldwin,

…but I paid full price for D4 and still got a half baked game with an invasive in-game shop.

GenericUsername28,

I’m as frustrated with D4 as the next guy, but I’d hardly call their in-game shop invasive. Their MTX has been minor and cosmetic thus far. There are far better examples including one within the Diablo universe.

Not_Alec_Baldwin,

The shop had an un-clearable red alert notification any time they released a new skin for your character chat.

The only way to clear it was to open the shop and scroll to find the new item and click on it, opening the store page. Then when you backed out it would go away.

You had to do this for every single item that was released.

Maybe I’m neurotic or autistic or OCD or all three but those stupid red alerts trigger me and I need to clear them all to keep playing the game.

I don’t even want the fucking store in my game. Give me an option to turn it off for fuck’s sake.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

While not exactly their in-game shop…

gamingideology.com/…/diablo-iv-unleashes-player-r…

Blackmist,

Not to victim blame, but if you looked at everything Blizzard have done over the last 10 years, and thought “maybe this one will be different” then perhaps the problem is you.

Not_Alec_Baldwin,

Not to X, but…

[Proceeds to X]

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

[Proceeds to X]

Sometimes, if the subject is important enough, you just have to X.

hglman,

Sure but don’t lead by saying you are not going to do x.

ruckblack,

I don’t think this comment really deserved this discourse, it seems pretty clearly tongue in cheek to me.

Not everything needs to be so dire.

Wilibus,

Don’t forget the battle passes.

Not_Alec_Baldwin,

Ironically I’m less concerned with battle passes as long as they don’t sell power. The actual mtx itself doesn’t bother me, I’ve easily spent hundreds in path of exile. But I prefer to enjoy the game first, and then at some point decide that I want to support the devs, and then maybe I buy something.

Wilibus,

Yeah it blows my mind how much I’ve spent on league supporter kits as well. Not sure if it is because I enjoy the game or I respect the business model.

I’m not against battle passes, but there are plenty of examples of how they fall under the predatory monetization category. Not selling power is hardly a justification that they aren’t unethical.

Hudell,

I realized I had overdone it when two weeks in they were going to send me a free hoodie shipped from a different continent.

At least I ran out of things to buy there.

msage,

Dota 2 did it really well, it was and still is an amazing game, and you couldn’t pay to get any gameplay advantage.

I sank a lot of money into it just to support such system.

bonfire921,

I agree with you, thing is: Nintendo produces Nintendo exclusives, so it doesn’t affect the gaming space as much as other games might

CoolBeance, (edited )

The lesson here is you can trust most big Japanese publishers/developers and it’s the opposite for American/European ones. Christ, Death Stranding was almost ruined by all the “subtle” product placements they put

chickenwing,

Kojima got away with his product placement in mgs3 because nobody in the west knew calorie mate was a real product lol.

brihuang95, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭
@brihuang95@sopuli.xyz avatar

Imagine whining about how people prefer to play good games that work on launch.

FadoraNinja,

From what I gather, there is a real fear in develper spaces that executives will take the wrong lessons from BG3. They will want the same scope, choice, narrative, & mechanics but through crunch, shutting down smaller projects, & homogenized visual & narrative focus. IE all the shiny bits without the time, work culture, & creativity that came with creating BE3. It isn’t developers just being pissy this is their way of trying to stop their idiot boss from ruining their current project or making massive projects without enough time or staff.

Aviandelight,
@Aviandelight@mander.xyz avatar

That’s because these executives don’t care about learning. They want examples that they can use to rationalize their shitty decisions.

hglman,

They want money and everything else is ammo to use in that pursuit.

SpiderShoeCult,

So the answer is for the ones who make nice things because of a nice system they have to just stop because the other crabs can’t get out of the bucket. Maybe their beef should be with their idiot boss, not with the guys who do the work.

Whatever happened to companies learning from other’s successes instead of trying to keep others down?

MysticKetchup,

The above post isn’t saying that Larian or other devs shouldn’t make games like BG3. It’s saying that we shouldn’t expect the massive amount of content and options in BG3 for every game

SpiderShoeCult,

My bad, I have interpreted it as apologetic for the people yelling at Larian for ‘ruining it’ for everyone.

I agree that we should not expect this sort of quality from everything, after all Gauss’ curve applies universally and this is quite far from the mean as I see it. We would just maybe like… less shite.

But it’s not like Larian are the first to raise the bar. I remember the days when Blizzard was an awesome company. Then I remember Bethesda being awesome. Now it’s Larian on the spotlight. I may not have followed the news back when the others were good, but I don’t remember such attitudes around as mentioned in the original post, to basically discredit instead of leaving it alone.

MysticKetchup,

I mean, we didn’t have nearly as much social media back then and a 24/7 news cycle that causes random tweets to be blown up into IGN articles. I think the initial tweet was just a random thought that got spun way out of proportion

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

It isn’t developers just being pissy this is their way of trying to stop their idiot boss from ruining their current project or making massive projects without enough time or staff.

Unions.

Syo,
@Syo@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, to the OP in the posted tweet... I did put a lot of thought into it. If a game that's just $60 can do this, then all new games are measured against it. Go compete. If your business model is outdated, convince your investors to change or be downgraded to B tier game dev.

Don't come me, the consumer, complaining about your poor ability to hedge business markets. You saw BG3 in early access for 3 years, you knew it was coming.

Blackmist,

Also releasing on PC first is practically unheard of. It’s usually the afterthought platform if it gets a release at all.

chickenwing, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

People have been saying this game is exciting because of the lack of mtx, but it seems to me that any big rpg gets a lot of attention. Eldan Ring got similar praise last year. Bioware was making these kinds of games fairly consistently about a decade ago and then stopped to make shit like Anthem. It’s a design decision not a budget problem.

squaresinger,

Microtransactions come with specific challenges. Specifically, you have to give the players a reason to pay them, and that’s usually done by making the game purpously worse for those who don’t pay.

Calatia,

Or the other trend these days, Wich is to remove content from the base game and sell it as dlc or just money-gate it even if it’s on the base disk/release.

Stabbitha,

“these days” that’s been going on for over a decade

squaresinger,

Yeah, but some of us oldies still remember the before times when we just had 35 Sims 2 expansions.

MountainBr3w,

I don’t necessarily believe this to be universal. I’ve played plenty of games with cosmetic mtx that I can absolutely play without the desire or need to spend money.

PeaceMaker998, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023

I’ve been playing brotato, and been enjoying it a lot recently, planning to dip my toes into mod content

I’ve also started playing borderlands GOTY on steam deck , it’s not that optimized with some stuttering but it’s playable And today I ordered a renewed rtx3070 to replace my GTX 1070 , supposed to be here in 3 weeks or 4 so wish me luck

stephenc, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Now if they’d just make it an actual game rather than a story-heavy romp that should have been a movie instead. BG has always aspired to be a Western version of a JRPG, and it’s terrible.

I don’t celebrate mediocrity.

Twelve20two,

Is it actually mediocre tho?

Hazdaz, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

I have a large backlog of games to play before I even think about buying anything new, but is this even a good game? Serious question because I know there has been a huge amount of press on it, but haven’t watched any reviews yet (on purpose because I hate spoilers and don’t want to be tempted with a new purchase yet).

Muddobbers,

If it doesn’t immediately spark the interest to buy it, go ahead and wait for it to go on sale. It sounds like you may have buyers’ remorse if it ends up not being your thing and you pay full price.

Hazdaz,

I NEVER pay full price! But if I hear of a game that sounds interesting I’ll throw it on my wishlist and maybe buy it when it goes on sale.

Muddobbers,

That’s the spirit!

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Do you like old school CRPGs?

Do you like tabletop/pen and paper RPGs?

Do you have one to 3 friends to play with?

If the answer is yes to 2 of those, then I highly recommend it.

ours,

I’m not too fond of CRPGs and I’m hooked on this game. It oozes excellent workmanship and appreciation for the genre/source material which makes it hard to resist.

emptyother,
@emptyother@programming.dev avatar

Yes. Yes it is. Excellent story so far. Gameplay is the best of DnD mixed with the best part of Divinity Original Sin 2. Difficulty is maybe a bit harsh the first few levels when an encounter with a bad initiative can take you out before its your turn. It looks graphically good and runs fine on older graphic cards. The companions have interesting backstories and related quests.

I havent tested it in co-op yet.

I have encountered a few bugs: Actors missing in cutscenes. Money-stacks getting corrupted. The ugly pre-order clothes just disappearing after a patch. But nothing serious.

Zoomboingding, (edited )
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

Co-op is excellent. Drop in/drop out works flawlessly, no lag. It even has LAN options in the year of our lord 2023. One issue is that a player can start an encounter without the others and people can miss out on story. All in all highly recommended.

MrBusiness,

Co-op is legit, only had a stuttering issue that we all experienced in a certain area. But we reloaded the save and it worked fine again

RegularGoose,

It looks graphically good and runs fine on older graphic cards.

Yes, but not older processors, apparently, as I found out. I sure as hell never expected a CRPG to be the first game that screams at me to get a better one.

brawleryukon,
@brawleryukon@lemmy.world avatar

It’s alright.

Have you played Divinity: Original Sin 2? Because it’s literally just that game with a D&D skin on it. If you liked D:OS2, or you’re really into D&D/Forgotten Realms, then it’s fine. If you were frustrated by certain things in D:OS2, they’re probably not fixed here.

Hazdaz,

I have not played that game. In fact I haven’t heard of it before.

jjjalljs,

It uses DND 5e as the underlying rules set. I hate DND 5e. It’s a garbage system full of old bad ideas, and it has such tremendous brand awareness it sucks all the air out of the hobby space.

Baldur’s Gate 3 is still an extremely good game in spite of all that.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

That sounds promising, because like you I really really really do not like the DnD system. But to hear that the game is decent in spite of that makes me curious about trying it soon, TYVM. :)

FunctionFn,

Controlling 4 digital 5e characters in rapid succession feels very different from controlling 1 character in a tabletop setting. Idk if it’s better or worse this way, but (to me) they’re pretty distinct experiences so it’s worth at least trying

MonkRome,

Haven’t played it, but been reading/watching a lot of reviews. Seems like they got a lot right and a few things wrong, still some early bugs but not nearly the amount that most releases have, some people complain about length (very long playthroughs might drag out for some, especially the slow combat). But I suspect many people will love or hate this game based on whether they like turn based combat.

Siethron,

I bought the game early access a couple years ago. The reason they got so few things wrong is they actually listened to community feedback from the early access. They made a lot of minor changes on things (from what I saw most of that was to make the game feel more like DND)

landsharkkidd,
@landsharkkidd@aussie.zone avatar

Honestly I’d recommend watching someone play it to get an idea of if you like it. Steam also has the option to let you “borrow” someone’s account so I’m sure if you have friends playing this you could ask. That’s what I did and enjoyed it so much I ended up buying it.

Gogogadget,

I'm about halfway(?) and if the quality keeps up, this is going to be my favorite game of all time, beating out Elden Ring and Outer Wilds.

Hazdaz,

That’s high praise!

Hudell,

If you approach it with a standard videogame attitude (get the strongest weapons and most powerful skills, steal everything that is worth good money and so on), then it is a solid game.

If you approach it as a simulated tabletop rpg game, it is fantastic. You can experiment with all sorts of things. For example: in one fight I was outnumbered and cornered in a small room, with enemies coming from outside. I pulled some furniture in front of the door to block the passage, threw some oil on the ground in the other side and lit it with a torch, then hid my characters behind the walls out of any projectile’s path until I could fully heal them.

Unlike other games those weren’t things that the devs put there specifically for this fight. There was no button prompt suggesting the furniture could be moved or anything like that. They just put a bunch of stuff in the world that can be interacted with in many ways depending on what sort of skill you have and leave it up to you to find a way to use them, or not. You can still min-max your stats and ignore all that. You won’t even know you’re missing anything.

Stinkywinks, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Who the f is Shawn, wtf is evolve? Why is every shitty game dev crying that other people make good games, without shame? Oh that’s right, based on their releases, they have no shame.

killeronthecorner,

He didn’t have anyone’s attention and he craves attention and now he has lots of attention, so I guess everything is coming up Milhouse as far as Shawn is concerned.

rustyricotta, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023

I’ve been playing Hades again. I played it a while back, but only had like 30 attempts and 3 successes. The hype of the 64 heat run and the sequel coming soon got me back into it to hopefully finish the game.

thoomfish, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023
@thoomfish@lemmy.world avatar

After playing Final Fantasy XVI and Trails into Reverie back to back, I needed a palate cleanser that wasn’t a 60+ hour JRPG before Sea of Stars comes out. So I picked up The Entropy Centre, a first-person physics puzzler where you have a gun that can rewind time.

It borrows its aesthetics from Portal and its puzzle structure from The Talos Principle, and while it doesn’t reach the heights of either, it’s still pretty satisfying to work through. It’s a bit on the easy side, probably because thinking in reverse requires you to hold a lot of stuff in your head at once so the developers were hesitant to put in anything too diabolical.

Renacles, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023

Remnant 2, Age of Empires 4 and GG Strive. Remnant 2 has me hooked, I really liked the first one but this game takes it to another level.

seejur, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

It is exactly what I except going forward because, as that moron mentioned this is a fucking AAA game, not a Indy game.

AAA games developers absolutely have those resources and even more, so yes, they should have all of that.

OrgunDonor, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023

Street Fighter 6 - Still playing everyday and this iteration of Street Fighter is so much fun. Pushing on through Diamond with Marisa now, really enjoying her playstyle and trying to get slightly better every day.

Baldurs Gate 3 - Finally pushed into Act 2, so far it has been a very interesting act, definitely having fun exploring both the area and the dialogue options, with some very interesting combat happening. This game is kinda dominating my play time, and I don't feel like I will have time to play much else for a while, which is nice. Really looking forward to a Dark Urge play though when I am finished with this first run.

moipe, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023

Diablo 4. My friends don’t want to play the season though and I don’t understand why.

CarlsIII,

I can’t stop playing this game. It’s just plain fun.

MrNesser, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023

Against better judgement I just booted up Rust.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

May your base survive you logging out.

altima_neo, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 17-08-2023
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Still playing BattleBit, but also started playing Nikke to pass the time

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