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UnderpantsWeevil, do games w Balatro wins formal appeal to reclassify poker game as PEGI 12
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Balatro is a Poker Game in the same way that Gin and Bridge and 52 Pickup are Poker games.

Quill7513,

it’s 7 card monti but with the gambling replaced with strategic decision making. the fact that lootboxes aren’t considered gambling, but removing gambling from poker is, it just puts on display how the big corporations are desperate to keep us locked into their entertainment machines and away from innovative art

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s more that hysterical moral guardians and corporate boobs only see the traditionally casino-like superficial imagery of cards, dice, spades, clubs, slots, etc. and instantly knee-jerk themselves into declaring it “immoral” without actually bothering to take the twelve seconds required to experience the gameplay. At which point they would immediately realize that they are wrong.

This is Kyle’s Mom’s version of only reading the headline, or not bothering to look beyond the dust jacket and only screeching about imaginary content that exists only inside their own assumptions and based purely on the picture on the cover.

Flagstaff,
@Flagstaff@programming.dev avatar

Kyle’s Mom

Who now?

Localhorst86, (edited )
@Localhorst86@feddit.org avatar

Have you ever met my friend Kyle’s mom?
She’s the biggest bitch in the whole wide world

Edit: It references the south park movie where Kyle’s mom creates aa moral panic about the children watching a R-rated movie containing swear words.

dual_sport_dork, (edited )
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Precisely that.

I will add that Sheila Broflovski (a.k.a. Kyle’s Mom) through her sheer incessant nagging (and also blame shifting away from herself and the other parents as spelled out in “Blame Canada”) misses the mark so far that she manages to incite a hot war with Canada that gets enough people killed to spill sufficient blood to fulfill an ancient evil prophecy that literally incarnates both Satan himself and Saddam Hussein’s revenant form back onto the face of the Earth.

Note that this not only predated Saddam’s actual real world death, but Matt and Trey also successfully predicted the eruption of the Karen trend, probably a good decade or so before it’d risen to the height – or sunk to the depths – it’s achieved today. Although senseless moral panics were well known and quite popular in the '80’s and '90’s already, to the extent that they not only managed to accurately predict the response to their own movie, but also parody it within the same movie.

SplashJackson,

Speaking of only reading the headline, I love me some corporate boobs.

echodot,

No HR don’t allow enjoyment of corporate boobs. They kick you out at the office for that kind of thing.

Unless you are the manager your obviously, oh ironically you work in the games industry.

SplashJackson,

And pencil skirts… and tight, buttoned blouses…and heels…and glasses…

bitjunkie,

It can be both. The moral screeching is a convenient cover story for the corrupt industry.

abigscaryhobo,

Nonono you don’t understand, lootboxes make us money! Thats not gambling.

Playing cards though? Oh that’s definitely gambling. Go fish? Gambling. Solitaire? Definitely gambling. 52 pick-up? Straight to gambling.

thatKamGuy, do games w Balatro wins formal appeal to reclassify poker game as PEGI 12

While the win is good, the fact that it’s still a PEGI 12 game while FIFA is a PEGI 3 shows what an absolute joke the whole process is.

Australia had to deal with similar levels of bullshit for way too long before our ratings board finally capitulated to common sense and introduced an R18 rating (for games like The Last of Us, not even XXX content!).

We have an endemic gambling problem too, so I don’t foresee much common sense coming out of that mob anytime soon - either.

vxx,

FC25 is rated 12+ in germany, same as Balatro.

Pegi seems out of touch.

echodot,

It’s that idiotic classification system that’s the problem. A game is considered to be gambling game if it involves cards.

pyre,

self censoring bodies like pegi are there to protect the industry, so it doesn’t get actual censorship from the government. EA is the industry. of course they get special treatment.

also gambling is the blueprint of AAA gaming now, so pegi loves it. they only do this shit to small devs so they can pretend to care while protecting industry giants from the actual scrutiny that they deserve.

thatKamGuy,

Very true, same applies to the ESRB in the US. The ESA literally only formed the organisation to self-censor rather than leave it to the Gov’t following outrage over Mortal Kombat — if I’m remembering correctly?

Here in Australia, the ACB is a government body — but just about as useless, if not even more so! For the longest time, we had to have our games additionally censored because they were viewed as for children and therefore couldn’t depict excessive violence, any sexual themes or drug use. Manhunt, Grand Theft Auto 3 & Vice City were notable examples.

What am I getting at, even I don’t know. I guess to say that both implementations can be shit…? 🤷🏻‍♂️

jsomae, do games w Balatro wins formal appeal to reclassify poker game as PEGI 12

Definitely thought from the thumbnail that it was PEGI 13 -> PEGI 12.

pureness, do games w Balatro wins formal appeal to reclassify poker game as PEGI 12

Awesome, I’m glad the dev held his position! He’s right that it’s incredibly moronic to have games like FIFA with actual gambling mechanics rated lower.

Balatro will get you hooked on lovely indie games, not gambling :)

echodot,

They tried to claim it taught you how to gamble. Seriously that was their argument.

So clearly they didn’t play the game because if you actually turned up to a casino and tried to play like that they kick you out.

RobotZap10000, do games w Balatro wins formal appeal to reclassify poker game as PEGI 12
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SharkEatingBreakfast,
@SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz avatar
Blackmist,

The publishers own PEGI.

Whatever rating they want, they get.

KeenFlame,

Huuh?

Blackmist,

The PEGI management board is people that publish games, people that make consoles and trade organisations.

None of whom want to see sales go down.

They’re behind the bonkers decision that representations of gambling are worse than actual gambling.

PEGI mainly exists to save publishers bothering with each country’s classifications boards. Before that you’d have like BBFC in the UK, and each country having to rate it. It’s industry self regulation, and like any good fox guarding the henhouse, they’re not doing a great job of it.

lemmydividebyzero, do games w Balatro wins formal appeal to reclassify poker game as PEGI 12

Just cut a few murder scenes and all the blood out and it should be fine 😉😉😉

But_my_mom_says_im_cool, do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

Japanese game companies are allergic to modern, working ideas. I’ve always dislikes how Japanese games look terrible. They don’t even try sometimes and you have ps5 games that look like ps3. They have game series like mega man that they refuse to Move past side scrolling, you play their games and they even leave out basic shit like “pick up item” animations and voice acting. I find Japanese games antiquated and even if they’re fun, they feel like I’m playing a last gen game when I play a Japanese saga or similar dev game.

Pokémon is a good example of a series that refuses to make a current gen game. They all feel like ds games on a switch

november,

Is this a joke? Side-scrolling platformers are fun and not every game needs voice-acting.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Side scroller games ARE fun, sometimes. Imagine if if no game had ever evolved past it though. Mega man is my favourite game character and I sit there playing games like ratchet & clank and wishing we could get a modern mega man to match it.

november,

There was a 3D Megaman platformer. It was called Megaman Legends and it got a sequel, but for some reason they never made a third one.

Meanwhile… If you like the gameplay of Ratchet & Clank why not just play that? I like JRPGs but I’m not upset that Psychonauts isn’t a JRPG, for example…

I’m coming at this from the perspective of a Sonic the Hedgehog fan. The Genesis/Mega Drive platformers were peak. The 3D games were… well, some of them were okay, but all the money and effort that was poured into them meant that for a long time, Sega wasn’t making the kind of game I actually found fun. The problem with changing up the entire style of the game you make is that you’ll inevitably leave fans behind.

thermal_shock,

Not for everyone.

november,

So… they shouldn’t exist?

thermal_shock,

No, but why argue with someone’s opinion over what games they like??

november,

Because what they said was, They have game series like mega man that they refuse to Move past side scrolling, you play their games and they even leave out basic shit like “pick up item” animations and voice acting. Implying that the kind of games I like should have stopped existing as technology marched on.

pycorax,

Have you played any games outside of those genres? There’s plenty of great modern games that are side scrollers. The idea that side scrollers are antiquated is frankly absurd. All that aside, Armoured Core, Yakuza, Street Fighter, Tekken and MH Wilds all look pretty good.

Also considering the power of a Switch, it seems like a no brainer that it would look like a PS3? It’s chipset is almost a decade old and operates at a fraction of the power of other platforms.

Krudler,

This is one of the stupidest comments I’ve ever heard really Rre video games, no country has produced more innovation in the space than the Japanese.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Only if you ignore all of western game development

Krudler,

Bro I started my professional game development career in 1996 and retired in 2015. I played video games in the early 70’s that existed before Pong. My father had one of the 5 supercomputers in the world in the meteorological service of Canada, where I used to hang out with nerds that would let me play with shit, and play the games they made when they weren’t modeling weather. I have studied nothing in my entire life more than the tapestry of what we call game development. So kindly stop.

thermal_shock,

How is that related to his/her opinion at all? Are they not allowed to dislike something? You don’t have to agree, but wtf.

I don’t really care for japanese style games either, whether it’s rpg games like Chrono trigger, or sailor moon, or any final fantasy games. Are you going to shit on me too? Because I don’t like something that is popular? I just never got into them and other things interested me first. I do love secret of mana though.

Hubi, do games w Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 hits 1m sales in just one day
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Definitely deserved. I’ve played it for 10+ hours so far and it’s such an improvement on the already excellent first game. It even runs much better on the same hardware.

Lupus,

It even runs much better on the same hardware.

That’s great news, I was worried about performance.

tomi000,

That actually sounds wrong. Do they use the same level of graphics or was the first game optimized THAT badly?

Hubi,
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Pretty sure the first game was just not optimized very well. I can run KCD2 at a very stable 60+ FPS on my RTX 3060 on high/ultra settings. The first one had about 20 FPS less in comparable environments. Not too surprising, considering that it was the dev team’s first CryEngine project. It’s notoriously hard to work with.

PostPeruser,

We know someone working at Warhorse and he arranged us to get a tour at the company after hours by the HR person which was great. I recall one of the devs saying “You know why they call it the CryEngine right? It’s cuz you cry everytime you have to use it”

Hubi,
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

Wow, lucky you! That’s pretty funny.

vonxylofon,

That badly. Updates made it better, though.

sith, do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

Just buy a Steam Deck instead.

robbinhood,

Steam Deck seems pretty amazing. Unfortunately, in my case, it’s too big to travel with and I doubt my small hands will find much comfort.

Really hope they come out with a Steam Deck Lite. I know you can buy smaller handheld PCs but last I checked they were quite pricey (tbf I haven’t checked recently)

jeff,
@jeff@programming.dev avatar

I have small hands and my kids use it without complaining. It’s bigger than a Switch, but not too much bigger. I’ve traveled with it plenty.

robbinhood,

The Switch OLED is already a bit big to travel with for me but I make do and I’d prefer it to be smaller in hand. I had the lite and much preferred its form factor. OLED does have a much, much better screen. Different strokes for different folks. The Deck doesn’t meet my use case, nad that’s fine.

orgrinrt,

I love the thing and use it extensively whenever I can, but it is bulky and hard to fit into bags with other stuff. If there was a way to separate the palm rest bits and have most other things be flat, and thin enough, that’d make a huge difference. But the bulky palm rests attached to the thin body, it just unavoidably wastes some space, and even more if one wants to be safe and use the case.

But it’s not that bad, easily lived with. Doesn’t remove the fact that it could be much better in that regard though.

Still easily more portable than a laptop though! And much more comfortable to use for gaming, if that’s going to be the most common use case for a computer while you travel.

moakley,

Ugh.

Hyphlosion,

I play my Switch docked 99.9% of the time. One thing holding me back with Steam Deck is I keep hearing about complications with trying to play it docked on TV.

SolidShake, do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

Oh no … my $2

frunch,

And millions of other people’s $2. Congrats to Nintendo on their newfound wealth ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Tikiporch,

It was funny money to begin with.

And009,

As a product designer who sometimes does gamification, I love that term and my clients are gonna hear a lot more funny money

JackDark, do games w Netflix culls staff at Oxenfree developer Night School Studio

I didn’t realize that Netflix actually bought the studio. I just thought they licensed the game or something.

chuckleslord,

Well, ya see, gotta reduce the number of companies. The less companies, the more the line goes up

robbinhood, do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

That sucks. It wasn’t much money tbh but a few bucks here and there was nice.

LilBagOfBunnies, do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

Definitely a bummer to lose a service that just rewarded customers for buying Nintendo games, but I buy so few games anymore that they were rarely adding up to substantial amounts.

Still, from being a loyal Club Nintendo member to having earned a couple of full-priced games in the eShop thanks to Gold Points, I’m hoping they have a new loyalty program up their sleeves even if it doesn’t make much sense for them to anymore.

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited ) do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

Nintendo doesn’t need a loyalty program to gain fan favor. They already have that… And that’s putting it nicely without any labels

aeronmelon, do games w Nintendo discontinuing Gold Points on the Switch eShop, ahead of Switch 2 release

That suits me, I just dumped everything I had into renewing my online subscription. Half off.

It feels like this is the only way Nintendo feels comfortable going from a currency system on the Switch to the exact same thing on the Switch 2. Nary the twain shall meet.

They just don’t want to be hounded by anyone about transferring gold from one system to the other.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

They just don’t want to be hounded by anyone about transferring gold from one system to the other.

Why do you need to transfer from one system to another? From my understanding (the last Nintendo device I owned was the OG gameboy) the gold points are roughly comparable to steam points. Why would it matter whether you have a Switch 1 or Switch 2?

aeronmelon,

Do I have to answer this question?

Money.

Gold points are earned by buying select Switch games and hardware. You use it to buy stuff online related to the Switch. Nintendo wants to reset everyone’s progress for the Switch 2. If you want to use gold to buy Switch 2 stuff it has to be gold earned buying Switch 2 stuff.

Greedy? Yes. But then again, it’s a rewards program they don’t even have to offer in the first place.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

This was more of rhetorical question on my part. 😆

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