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missingno, do gaming w Shower thought: Valve could do the ultimate boss-move this year
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

What do people expect out of a desktop SteamOS that they can't already get from any other distro?

jmcs,

Brand recognition. Which apparently is the only thing that matters these days.

ddash,

For the average technology user yes. Software needs to come packaged in a way people recognise and can use without much setting up needed. I know there are many distros out there that do this. The average person using a computer however does not.

Dudewitbow,

not going to be a steam OS user, but its less what you can’t, and more that any changes that valve patches in via their efforts on AMD drivers, users would get it first and without any fuss.

One example is HDR support. various distros and DEs kinda sat on HDR for the longest time, with mixed results on implementation. Valve just walks in and implements it.

Ulrich,

Yeah but Valve also made that open source at the same time.

Dudewitbow,

and even while open source, its implementation on various DE is still spotty, which is kinda the point.

ClassifiedPancake,

A plug and play system.

tias,

It needs to be at least as easy as Windows to install and have good support.

Extra bonus points if they preinstall/bundle it on gaming PCs.

teawrecks,

Both of these are possible with many other distros.

fmstrat,

Sounds like you just described Bazzite.

judgyweevil,

Easy, streamlined support

BmeBenji,

Approachability. Valve is a recognizable name and the Steam Deck is notoriously usable in the sea of Linux uncertainty.

Before you say “Linux is totally usable, just look at <examples>” the first question people are prompted with is “What distribution do you want to install?” and there is no singular place that says “this is what you want for this specific use case.”

Valve is not the first name in Linux gaming, but they are a known and trusted name. It’s not just about brand recognition but about trusting a name to guide you through something brand new and extremely daunting. For the vast majority of PC gamers, SteamOS offers a guided introduction to something that previously was stereotyped as complex and difficult to learn.

Is it the best distro? Probably not, but then again it’s extremely easy to migrate from SteamOS to something else when someone discovers they want something else. Until they understand enough about Linux to find that they want something else, SteamOS is currently one of the best ways to get them there

Brahvim,
@Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Plus, Valve is known for technical things!

Cethin,

Approachability. Valve is a recognizable name and the Steam Deck is notoriously usable in the sea of Linux uncertainty.

It’s very usable for a handheld gaming platform. It really isn’t any better for a desktop platform. The thing that makes it so usable is that you boot it and it boots into Steam Big Picture, and you don’t see the desktop. Most users never will. Is that how people are going to want their desktop to work though? Probably not. They probably don’t want to only use Steam. They probably want to use other applications too.

madame_gaymes, (edited )
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I don’t think it’s about having extra functionality to no one else has.

SteamOS is more restrictive than other distros out of the box. A user with no experience whatsoever would have a harder time messing things up because rootfs is RO and gets wiped on every update. Kinda forces the average user into using flatpak/Discover to mimic Windows and Apple app stores. In other words, it’s all about the psychology, not the distro itself.

Not to mention there is an actual company with an incentive to maintain the distro, with a massive focus on gaming. They have a ton of testing resources that a lot of distro maintainers do not have in that regard.

Having said all that, installing a distro other SteamOS on my Steam Deck was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I’ve been using Linux for 32 years, I do not like SteamOS because they are trying to make it dumb for general consumption. Similar reasons why I despise Windows, besides the whole being owned by Microsoft thing.

teawrecks,

I would probably use it over bazzite for my HTPC, but yeah, I don’t recommend either for a daily driver PC.

BmeBenji, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

In all honesty, Rainbow Six: Siege is as ungrindy as any game could be, and it is as endlessly replayable as there are combinations of all the active players. The whole game is about finding ways to use the deep sandbox to outsmart your opponent, utilizing yours and your teammates abilities in unique combinations and it’s wonderful

BmeBenji, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

Titanfall 2

orca, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

Quake 3 Instagib.

muhyb, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

For me, it’s Starcraft 2.

ArsonButCute, (edited ) do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

Tetris effect connected.

It made game of the year for a reason.

I think I’ve sunk 200 hours into tetris this year alone, I have it on like 4 systems including my SP handheld clone

Edit: my phrasing here was unclear, there effect connected has not been ported to portmaster or the ports collection, I use Tetris RR, a custom patched og GB tetris to have all the same amenities (hold, hard drop) as modern tetris.

If you like tetris and want tetris RR, find a GB tetris ROM and patch it yourself

A link to the Romhack (for the mods, this is a link to the patch, not the rom, i know VL has pirate content but this aint it, it does however have a link to their archive, where the rom does exist) vimm.net/romhacking/hacks/5813

Elkenders,

I got my hopes up it was on portmaster for a moment and you were talking about rg35xxsp.

ArsonButCute,

Oh, no I play Tetris Rosy Retrospective on that. All the new amenities on classic GB tetris.

That’s exactly the handheld I was referring to, the anbernic rg35xxsp

owenfromcanada, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

The obvious answers are the games we endlessly replayed historically: Mario Kart, Goldeneye (VS mode), Halo (VS), Smash Bros.

If you specifically want ones on PC, I’d suggest Starcraft, Age of Empires, and probably Counter Strike (I wasn’t into that one, but it had a huge following).

Many board games fit the bill as well. Codenames (physical or online at horsepaste.com) comes to mind, and another commenter also mentioned chess.

Basically any games that were made before endlessly grinding became a thing (yep, that’s only been a thing for a decade or two).

audaxdreik, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming
@audaxdreik@pawb.social avatar

Trackmania, although depending on how you want to slice it, you might consider it ONLY grinding.

Incredibly low skill floor (4 button racing sim) but with near infinite skill ceiling as you learn to master all the nuances of movement, surface types, tricks, etc.

Endless amounts of content with the seasonal campaigns, tracks of the day, and weekly shorts, but also just a full blown track editor for community content on the side. Each track is like a little puzzle where you memorize all the details then try and get your best performance. Play in an online server with your friends and just chat, listen to music, or watch a movie in the background. Find your favorite style and master it: tech, dirt, NASCAR, lol.

It’s my favorite game to just turn my brain off and drive.

anti_antidote, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

How’s Bean Battles sound?

Kolanaki, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

The Finals or Rocket League.

Chozo,
@Chozo@fedia.io avatar

I also recommend The Finals! It's exclusively multiplayer, and the only "grind" one needs to worry about is unlocking all the weapons and gadgets; it doesn't take long to do, and you don't even need all of them if you aren't going to use them. But there's nothing to level up or upgrade, so once you buy an item, it's just a permanent part of your kit. There's no story or campaign that you have to progress, no cutscenes to sit through. You just launch the game, pick a mode, and queue for a match.

I have like 750+ in-match hours logged, and have no plans on stopping.

ocean, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

Warthunder is really fun without much of a grind

endeavor,

I especially love how warthunder js a f2p game but doesn’t feel like it forces you into parting with youe money.

ocean,

I agree :) and honestly paying for premium and planes you want is worth it. I have 750 hours and have spent maybe $100-200 on premium and planes. $3.75 per hour of birthday Monday seems decent to me. Better than my VR header which I’ve still only played down to $10 an hour

endeavor,

I was being sarcastic, wt is a pretty bad and poorly designed game, especially planes.

Scary_le_Poo,
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This is how you bait a bot, folks.

comically_cluttered,

Don’t forget about the great bonuses for participating in the community forums, such as classified documents, toxicity, classified documents, and classified documents.

mohab, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

Fighting games:

  1. Endlessly replayable because there's always more to learn.
  2. No grinding because there's nothing to grind.
Comment105,

I’ve enjoyed Tekken more than Mortal Kombat.

I mostly played Tag Tournament 2

Gerudo, do games w Ubisoft connect downloads 0kb/s

In your defense, the installer should have alerted you were short on space prior to starting the download.

Quique,

Indeed, it just quited downloading. No notification nothing.

Pheonixdown, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming

Does Factorio count? It’s a good game, you can play multiplayer, the factory can always grow (at least until your hardware, or in the extreme the software, can no longer handle it) and if you’re grinding for something rather than automating it, you’re doing it wrong.

judgyweevil,

I guess it counts because you are not grinding, the factories are grinding for you. The problem is that it’s a niche game and not many of my friends would play it

mosiacmango,

Its a wildly popular niche game for good reason.

It’s the defacto automation game, and can get pretty wildly funny with multiplayer co-op. Players slot into niches and ted to focus on building out X or Y and when these things meet can be hilarious.

It also has a versus mode where you race to build bases on a shared map and kill your opponents first.

missingno, do gaming w I'm looking for the Holy Grail of multiplayer gaming
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Fighting games. I've been grinding Skullgirls for over 10 years now, without a single skinner box in sight.

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