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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w Ubisofts stock tanked this morning ahead of the markets opening
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

i told them not to invest in DJT

toofpic, do games w What letter has the best games?

D
Disco Elysium
Don’t Starve
Dirt
Dishonored
Deus ex
Darkest Dungeon
Deadbolt
Dungeon of endless
Dwarf Fortress
Dying Light

A well-rounded list with some great time-sinkers in it!

OhNoMoreLemmy,

And all the doom games.

toofpic,

Oh, yes, absolutely, I was just writing from memory

CharlesReed,
@CharlesReed@fedia.io avatar

I agree with D, and would also like to submit the Dead Space games.

Enkrod,

Enkrod feels euphoric due to every D-list in this thread menacing with spikes of Dwarf Fortress

very_well_lost,

No Dark Souls?

Shame! Shame!

De_Narm,

Anything Dragon Quest needs to be on the list!

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Diablo games as well

Kolanaki, (edited ) do games w What letter has the best games?
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Definitly the D.

  • Doom.
  • Dune 2.
  • Disco Elysium.
  • Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3 as well as Demon Souls.
  • Dwarf Fortress.
  • Dark Messiah.
  • Diablo 1 and 2
  • Day of Defeat
  • Dead Space
  • Death Stranding.
  • Deep Rock Galactic.
  • Deus Ex.
  • Dying Light

And that’s just what I have in my Steam library ('cept Demon Souls obviously). There’s so many more D games that are also great.

4am,

Darkest Dungeon

JimmyMcGill,

DotA and Dota 2

Also dune 2?

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Also dune 2?

It’s what all modern day RTS games derive from.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II

SharkAttak, do games w Fntastic (the makers of The Day Before) is trying to make a comeback
@SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

At least they could put a wig, or fake nose+glasses..

Alexstarfire, do games w What letter has the best games?

Based on my Steam metrics, E just for Europa Universalis 4.

WarlockLawyer,

Exactly what I was going to put.

Kelo,
@Kelo@lemmy.world avatar

E seems kinda empty, so I’ll chip in with Exit/Enter The Gungeon

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w What letter has the best games?
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

S or T.

Super.

The.

cosmicrookie, do games w Ubisofts stock tanked this morning ahead of the markets opening
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

not really news… This is a 1 years graph… its been going downward for some time

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a8f79058-a60c-48a2-98f1-2488a39fb2d9.png

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  • altima_neo, (edited )
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    Yeah well they brought their friends over to play Mario kart and she wanted to make sure the kiddos were getting something to snack on.

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  • ShaggySnacks,

    Mom definitely brought something to snack on.

    nonailsleft,

    Please this is just childish

    Rai,

    hahaha goteeem

    slazer2au,

    Now do a 5 year graph and realise it’s kinda back to pre pandemic levels.

    cosmicrookie,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    hm… not quite… but it certainly has seen some ups and downs, that are larger than what happened this morning. This is a graph of “all time”

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86e5952f-ced7-4d6c-8dcc-860772d7cf3c.png

    Isoprenoid,

    It would be cool if these graphs could be inflation adjusted.

    SirDerpy,

    That’s incredibly easy to do on any analysis platform.

    nonailsleft,

    Analysis schmanalysis

    nonailsleft,

    Analysis schmanalysis

    SirDerpy,

    WSB detected :)

    gcheliotis,

    This thread is like a lesson in the importance of x and y axes range in time series plots

    Croquette,

    Yes, but it is not acceptable in today’s capitalism. Only the growth of growth matters.

    If the line does not go up enough, the company is failing.

    pyre,

    this is great. i thought they kept making slop because it’s giving them a return but I’m glad people are catching on.

    JackbyDev,

    That’s a massive one day spike though

    dustyData, do games w Ubisofts stock tanked this morning ahead of the markets opening

    I hate graphs that don’t start the Y axis at zero.

    That said, fuck ubisoft.

    saddlebag,

    Agreed. Took me a moment to realise they didn’t drop to zero. !dataisugly

    AlijahTheMediocre,

    Who’s to say we can’t drop them to zero :)

    echodot,

    A stock would never drop to zero because the company would be liquidated before that happened. If the stock actually dropped to zero they would have no money they need to call bankruptcy before that point.

    JackbyDev,

    You need to include the instance in the community name.

    huginn,

    That’s pretty normal for financial charts like this though.

    dustyData,

    And it’s dumb. It says all you need to know about the ethical integrity of most economists. Lying for profit.

    echodot,

    The axes are clearly labeled so I’m not really quite sure what the concern is.

    dustyData,

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  • Kraven_the_Hunter,

    Y.y…y…you do know what the plural of ‘axis’ is, right?

    For as much as you’re showing what you don’t know in this thread, I still can’t believe you don’t know this one.

    echodot,

    Are you being paid by someone to be especially stupid today, or is this your normal level of comprehension? I hope so because right now you seem like this the sort of person that would find stairs confusing.

    Dremor,
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    Unless you are not just sarcastic:

    dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/axes

    scrubbles,
    !deleted6348 avatar

    Jesus fuck no, it’s a valid graph. It shows the relative trend over time and the sudden change. It may show less of a change if it was zero based, but a drastic change that is well off the normal trend is important to visualize. Also like, all exchanges have a toggle to flip to the zero based.

    dustyData,

    Look at this thread and realize that it’s just a lie. You can show the exact same information with a starting at zero graph, but won’t be able to push the “stock is tanking!” panic point. Publishers and marketers do this on purpose to manipulate headlines. This is why the stock market is mostly just high stakes gambling. No one involved is making rational decisions, just moving from panic to mania like psychotic patients.

    protist,

    You can see right there at the top of the graph it’s down 20% in the given timeframe. There are ways to make graphs misleading, but there’s nothing misleading at all about zooming in on the data in this chart

    dustyData,

    Percentages are also misleading. The timeframe will always stretch the percentage. Sure, a 20% drop on the same day is significant, but it still says absolutely nothing about the overall situation, nor why it happened. It is a significantly smaller drop when compared to their year long performance, and a significantly larger loss if only the last month is taken into account. There’s research on this, observing day to day changes on stock prices to describe a company is just as effective as describing people’s personalities through astrology. It’s bullshit.

    protist,

    Sure, a 20% drop on the same day is significant

    Yes, and that’s literally all this post is trying to convey. This post is not a news report or a economist’s dissertation, this is a screenshot of the pre-bell stock price posted to Lemmy

    dustyData,

    It’s already being called the lowest price in a decade. Technically true, but honestly disingenuous since the massive price bump to over €100 was an anomaly caused by the pandemic that swept the entire industry, not just this one publisher. Also drivel to generate engagement. Just like this post, here we are discussing it, despite the fact that it is misleading and poor characterization of the entire picture.

    Kraven_the_Hunter,

    It sounds like you really need to buy some Ubisoft stock right now.

    dustyData,

    I will repeat, and I can stress enough with this reiteration, fuck Ubisoft.

    protist,

    It being at its lowest price in a decade is literally true. I don’t have a clue why you’re bringing the pandemic into this since this stock reached its peak in 2018. Ubisoft stock has been on a precipitous decline for 4 straight years now, wtf are you even trying to convey here?

    chris,
    @chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

    If you are not in for the dividents or the voting privileges stocks are always a game of “I hope someone is dumb enough to pay more than me for these shares”.

    intensely_human,

    Or someone else is in it for those things.

    Markets aren’t based on one party being dumber than the other one. Markets work because different people value different things.

    scrubbles,
    !deleted6348 avatar

    The stock is tanking. 20% is a huge drop for any massive company. Do you know how much money disappeared overnight because of this? From my very rough calculations, Ubisoft just lost about 300 million dollars because of this drop. That’s more than any fine they’ve had.

    The worst day in Stock Market history was Black Thursday, the beginning of the Great Recession. The market only dropped 11% that day. (Somebody call me out if I got those numbers slightly wrong, that’s from Wikipedia). These are massive numbers, that I don’t think you fully appreciate or understand. The stock market usually deals in single digit or more likely fractional amounts of change. Double digit changes are a huge deal.

    dustyData, (edited )

    Do you know how much money disappeared overnight because of this?

    I do know, none. Not a single cent disappeared. Because stocks aren’t liquidity. That money was never there in the first place. Some paid some money to get those stocks, that money was real and it entered the company’s liquidity. Then they spent it on something. Those stocks are but the promise of paying some dividends, some time in the future or giving some power inside the company. Their virtual fluctuations of price over time are nothing but smoke and mirrors, people exchanging virtual titles over those rights like little kids trading collectible cards. Some people cashed out for a low price (that was already grossly overinflated from the pandemic days, so they probably still made bank) and it pushed an already correcting stock to accelerate for today. That money didn’t come from the company, it was exchanged entirely by third parties, public traders. Ubisoft didn’t participate at all in whatever pushed the price drop. No matter how much I want it to, Ubisoft is not in any more danger today than it was in yesterday. They are still filthy rich, if anything the biggest danger for this is that it gives them lee way to layoff another group of underpaid developers or gut another studio to appease the stockholders. Who are already in a frenzy for blood because Outlaws didn’t make all the money.

    If you were to compare Ubisoft today to Ubisoft 2 years ago, you would see they dropped nearly 93%. Dear golly, how is this poor boutique family company in business after such a massive loss? /s

    intensely_human,

    Ubisoft just lost about 300 million dollars because of this drop.

    So they have 300 million dollars less to spend? They’re going to fire 300 million dollars worth of talent? Their bank account changed by 300 million dollars?

    No, they did not lose 300 million dollars.

    yannic,

    I’d argue it doesn’t accurately show the relative value at a cursory glance. The chart shows the area under the curve having decreased over 90%, but when looking at the y-axis, you can see that initial assessment was misled.

    In a speculative industry like finance, shouldn’t we try our best to make charts less… alarmist?

    cheddar,
    @cheddar@programming.dev avatar

    And that’s why I can’t take online activists seriously. 100% of agenda, 0% of brain.

    intensely_human,

    I totally agree man. This graph is misleading.

    ArtVandelay,
    @ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

    If you are trying to show year-over-year profit and you have $100 million give or take a few thousand, then starting your y-axis at zero is going to be a pretty worthless graph

    Grandwolf319, (edited )

    It’s unfortunately standard with all stock graphs :/

    Croquette,

    There is no point of starting the chart to 0 since it doesn’t give any information other than the share price, which is already communicated by the Y axis anyways.

    echodot, do games w Fntastic (the makers of The Day Before) is trying to make a comeback

    Well they could actually make the game that they promised that would be a good start

    Ledivin, do games w What letter has the best games?

    Either F, T, or S… but probably T.

    F has Final Fantasy, Fallout, Factorio

    S has Satisfactory, Super anything (incl Mario), most Star Wars games, and Sid Meier games

    T has The ______. The list is too long to even start.

    Exec, do gaming w wrist mounted games
    @Exec@pawb.social avatar
    sleepybisexual,

    Tiger ruin everything :c

    visor841, do games w What letter has the best games?

    Hm, maybe A?

    Age of Empires

    Anno

    Assassin’s Creed

    Aloft

    Against the Storm

    Across the Obelisk

    Hm, E would be a good option as well

    Elden Ring

    Elder Scrolls

    Europa Universalis

    Endless (Space, Legend)

    As a side note, would “Sid Meier’s Civilization V” count as “s” or “c”?

    Pyr_Pressure, do games w Ubisofts stock tanked this morning ahead of the markets opening
    @Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca avatar

    https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/b93bcebe-0738-42dd-ab83-609a5604f85e.jpegIt’s been tanking for a lot longer than that

    GhiLA,
    @GhiLA@sh.itjust.works avatar

    lol, it looks like a cryptocurrency chart.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I wish. Crypto has been depressingly buoyant.

    blindbunny, (edited )

    Gotta cook the planet to win capitalism bro

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    The most obnoxious thing is that hoarding commodities is not capitalism, at least before it’s time to unload it on the rubes.

    SSJMarx,

    Every time BTC crashes I say to myself, “I shouldn’t bet on it coming back, this will surely be The One.” Nope, currently higher than it was before the last one.

    GhiLA,
    @GhiLA@sh.itjust.works avatar

    There’s always someone betting it will go up, just as much as someone is betting to go down, but right now, Blackrock and Fidelity own a lot of BTC, and are selling it to investors via actual, official ETF funds.

    You can go on Fidelity and buy into this fund without ever touching BTC, and follow the price along with the holders, just like a gold or oil stock.

    things are going to be interesting over the next few years. BTC has entities invested in it’s future. I don’t expect a crash below the ETF price, which… from memory was around $50k, because then investors are in the red.

    I’m not in BTC, but it’s a fun thing to watch. Personally, I think the mining of it is a cancer to society, but once you strip all of that way, it’s just another index fund as long as private entities can manipulate the waves in their favor.

    I like gold more. You can make stuff with it, buuut Gold is at an ATH… buuut if Kamala wins, BTC will dump and Gold is a sanctuary hold for a lot of BTC holders, so, man what a year it’s gonna be.

    obinice, do games w Ubisofts stock tanked this morning ahead of the markets opening
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    You can make any graph look bad if you control the axis bounds weirdly like this.

    Not that I have good things to say about ubisoft, but at a glance one would assume their stock value plummeted to zero, which is not the case.

    HeavyRaptor,

    This was also my initial take but look at these graphs with the Y axis starting from 0 https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/22781696-3e59-4fe8-9b47-37104417e22a.webphttps://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/d84502e1-edde-45bc-8263-80b5a004c2a1.webpStock lost 67% value in the last year alone, and lost 85% in the past 5 years. Looks pretty dire to me. I would say this is undervalued but I have no confidence in the ubi leadership to turn it around.

    Croquette,

    Might be that the CEO and upper management are dumb fucks running the company to the ground.

    No more innovation, just microtransactions in shitty games, and the same old rehashed concepts.

    omarfw,

    I saw an anecdote from someone who used to work there and they said their infrastructure and resources were outdated as hell. Basically zero support or investment from leadership. Those corpos are intentionally just trying to milk them and the customers dry before total collapse or a buyout.

    trolololol,

    You can make 20% drops in value look harmless if you flatten the graph enough

    computergeek125, do games w I had to install directx 9 to run gta 4 on windows 11

    DirectX, OpenGL, Visual C++ Redist and many other support libraries in software programs typically require the same major version of the support libraries that they were shipped with.

    For DirectX, that major version is 9, 10, 11, 12. Any major library change has to be recompiled into the game by the original developer. (Or a very VERY dedicated modder with solid low level knowledge)

    Same goes for OpenGL, except I think they draw the line at the second number as well - 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4.

    For VC++, these versions come in years - typically you’ll see 2008, 2010, 2013, and the last version 2015-2022 is special. Programs written in the 2013 version or lower only require the latest version of that year to run. For the 2015-2022 library, they didn’t change the major version spec so any program requiring 2015+ can (usually) just use the latest version installed.

    The one library that does weird things to this rule is DXVK and Intel’s older DX9-on-12. These are translation shim libraries that allow the application to speak DX9 etc and translate it on the fly to the commands of a much more modern library - Vulkan in the case of DXVK or DX12 in Intel’s case.

    Edited to remove a reference to 9-on-12 that I think I had backwards.

    Dremor, (edited )
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    I know I’m a bit late, but here is some more info that may be of use to some.

    OpenGL/GLSL

    OpenGL, is a set of “extensions” (currently 160 as of OpenGL 4.6), which is a subset of features that has to be implemented by each vendor/manufacturer driver.
    To be considered compliant with OpenGL 4.0, you have to implement all its extensions. This base serves as the first stepping toward the next step, OpenGL 4.1, which is basically 4.0 with some more extensions, and so on untill the current OpenGL 4.6.
    But as everything in OpenGL 4.0 is also in OpenGL 4.6, a driver for 4.6 will run any 4.0 games. But if you used an extension found in the 4.3 spec, your game won’t work on a 4.2 level driver… Well, most of the time, as it may already have implemented the extension you need, but did not implement yet enough of them to reach the 4.3 specs.
    To complicate things even further, you have the cut-to-size versions, aka OpenGL ES, which targets embedded devices with a stripped down version of OpenGL.
    As an example of this, you can find here the compatibility matrix for the open-source Mesa collection of drivers : mesamatrix.net

    DirectX

    DirectX, in contrary, is a monolithic spécification. You either support DX11, or you don’t.
    Part of it is implemented in the NT kernel (Linux équivalent in Windows) by MS, through its libraries, and the other is implemented by the GPU manufacturer, in their drivers.
    DX version are often tied to Windows versions (DX12 with Windows 11), for multiple reasons. It requires the right features available in the NT kernel, the right hardware to be run, and, lets be honest, it is a great sale argument to try to push users to get the latest Windows version. Same goes with hardware manufacturers, it is a great way to make sure your customers upgrade for a GPU that support the latest DX version.
    Subsequent versions are not compatible with each other, that’s why, if you play a DX9 game, you have to install the correct driver that (still) supports DX9, and the DX9 libraries.

    To convert or not to convert to new API version ?

    To convert a game from DX9 to DX10, you have to rewrite part of the underlying engine, which mean putting ressources and money into it.
    Most publisher won’t bother, as the return on investment isn’t good enough to motivate such work. The new features won’t be used, and even though it usually give a substantial boost to performance, those games are often old enough to work exceptionally well on the current era hardware anyway.
    So, once again, why bother ?

    The specific case of DX12 (and Vulkan)

    DX12 is to DX11 what Vulkan is to OpenGL. Both are a dramatic philosophical shift in the graphical API world. Previously, graphical APIs where at a higher level in the stack, which reduced their complexity, at the cost of bigger overhead.
    Now with those two new beasts, you get a lot lower in the stack, which mean a lot closer to the hardware itself. You loose some of the ease of use in exchange for a lot less overhead, and thus potentially better performances.
    But if your game worked on previous APIs, your are out of luck, as the changes are so radical you’d probably have to rewrite the whole engine renderer. It cost a lot, so only very few games goes this way, mostly the very successful ones, and probably mostly to gain experience with those new paradigms before starting to go all DX12/Vulkan for future games.

    computergeek125,

    Thanks! I learned something new today, and that makes today a good day. I’ll strike out a few relevant parts of my answer when I get a minute to open the beast.

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