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ElectroLisa, do gaming w Back to total war I guess

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Omegamanthethird, (edited ) do games w Best game ever?
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Most awe inspiring: Morrowind

Most depth of interest: Final Fantasy X

Most emotional impact: The Last of Us

Alpha71, do games w Half Life: Alyx is Five Years Old Today

And their still asking 70+ bucks for it…

koncertejo,
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It was literally just on sale for $19.99.

Alpha71,

Which is nice IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY!!!

thermal_shock, do gaming w Back to total war I guess

Gog sales are awesome

RebekahWSD, do gaming w Back to total war I guess
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I will dream of Two Point Museum, and continue to play Astronaut The Best and Star Traders Frontier.

Thteven, do gaming w Back to total war I guess
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Yarr

baggins, do games w Half Life: Alyx is Five Years Old Today

The reason it’s forgotten because most people aren’t able to play it. If valve really did put important story in a game that they knew most gamers would never be able to play that’s kind of shitty

TachyonTele,

The idea was people would buy the game and play it.

gonzo-rand19,
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The idea of sinking $500 into a headset and then another $80 for one game is pretty crazy. Not like Valve doesn't have the ownership numbers from the hardware survey. It was never going to sell like HL2.

UnbrokenTaco,

Plenty of people do that to play a single game.

Given how different it is to other, normal 3d games, I don’t think the comparison is fair. Additionally there are a lot of other, really great games in VR too.

Regardless, I don’t think the problem is financial anymore. Rather that VR requires a sort of “commitment to inconvenience” where you feel cut off from the outside world (among other things) that I don’t think a lot of people are comfortable with.

gonzo-rand19,
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Are "plenty of people" enough to make a game commercially viable? And not in an indie way.

I zone out, completely cut off from others, while playing games all the time. What I don't want to do is fork over more cash for things that will collect dust (like a headset for a single game).

Given how different it is to other, normal 3D games, I think it's a bit much to stake your franchise on something most people will never have. It's obvious Valve knew that, they're not idiots and have put out good hardware that didn't see mass adoption in the past (Steam Controller, Steam Link, etc.); it's clear they wanted to try out something new even if it wasn't a huge blockbuster. They have lots of revenue from other sources to fall back on.

They probably hoped that some people would take a chance and get the hardware to play the game, and some people did. But to expect that most would do that? Lol. They're not that dumb.

"The idea" was to do something no one had done before with a beloved franchise. Not to sell headsets.

ampersandrew,
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I don’t think they particularly cared if you bought their headset, but they had the premium offering if you were interested. I think they wanted Alyx to be the Mario 64 of VR.

Quazatron,
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It’s both financial (huge investment for a single game) and not. Playing with a thing strapped to your face does not sound fun. Especially with glasses. Or in the summertime. Plus I’m a Linux gamer, so I’d probably run into a lot of issues before I could run it.

antithetical,

I also run on Linux exclusively and I could play Half-Life Alex almost flawlessy on the Steam Index. And other VR games as well, including Beatsaber, Gorn, Walkabout Golf and many others. I’m really grateful to Valve and their Proton.

Quazatron,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, that’s nice to know in case I decide to get a VR headset in the future.

Blue_Morpho,

Its $500 today but at the time it was $1500 and required cable and beacons.

UnbrokenTaco,

True in regards to the index kit but WMR has been around for a long time as well and that was a fraction of the price without base stations.

Also nobody has missed out on playing it yet! There’s still time before half life 3! 😅

AdrianTheFrog,
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True

it’s doomed now, but I love my Reverb G2, I got it for the same price as a Quest 2 (before the q3 released) and, having used both, its a lot better.

CosmoNova,

I mean it‘s 5 years old now and what has Valve released for VR since? A single game isn‘t gonna make a hardware and they know that. It was a failure in the end of the day.

gamermanh,

5 years old now and what has Valve released for VR since?

You know Valve has released a whopping 3 things total in that timespan (didn’t include deadlock cuz I’m not sure that’s officially released yet), right? A free steam deck teaser, the card game they’ve been working on for a while, and the CSGO 2 update

Valve works slow, my guy

A single game isn‘t gonna make a hardware

Good thing there are a shit ton of other games, then

It was a failure in the end of the day

No it wasn’t, you high? They sold out of Indexes around the games launch. Would have sold more if not for COVID, too

CosmoNova,

Hold on. Why are you replying with unrelated things that Valve did instead of focusing on VR to get people onto that platform? Kind of proves my point, doesn‘t it? Also Covid? Seriously? If anything Covid should‘ve accelerated development on VR games.

gamermanh,

Also Covid? Seriously? If anything Covid should‘ve accelerated development on VR games

Your claim was that the game was a failure, my point with COVID was that you would have been extra wrong about that had there not been a pandemic limiting how many headsets they could actually sell, which was the point of the game. In the world that we got they sold out and had Back-orders for a year, had there not been a global pandemic those Back-orders would have been sales, and likely many who couldn’t buy one would have been able to as well

The rest of your comment shows you have 0 idea how Valve works internally. The whole studio doesn’t just work on one project, there are smaller teams that pick and choose what they do. This is why Valve tends to release shit a couple years apart that are wildly different (Alyx and Artefact), but 5-8 years between similar products (Portal 2 and Alyx). It being 5 years or more since their last major VR release is to be expected from them, not a sign of failing at anything

Asetru,

Do you know about gaming consoles? 3D accelerator cards? Graphics cards? Or… CD ROM drives?

People have been buying hardware to play a certain game for literal decades. The games are called “system sellers”. Games so good they sell hardware. It’s usually even the opposite: if your hardware doesn’t have such a game, it doesn’t sell (atari Jaguar anyone?).

Stovetop,

VR has the extra element of needing a suitable living space to play in, though. Other games I can do at my desk or in my tiny, cramped living room, but I have nowhere I can easily set up for VR that would allow for significant range of motion.

I own a VR headset, but I only really use it for games that allow you to be stationary and just use the headset as an immersive monitor with a standard controller. As one would expect, it doesn’t get much use, because not many VR games are made to play that way!

Kecessa,

So people should buy hardware to play a single game and then leave the hardware to accumulate dust after a few hours of gameplay? Quite the waste!

tauren,

I agree, that would silly. Luckily, Half-Life Alyx is not the only VR game.

Kecessa, (edited )

Sure, but if people love Half-Life and don’t care about other VR games it sucks that it’s locked behind hardware requirements that even Valve doesn’t give a crap about considering it’s the only VR game they made.

Edit: I’m sure all of you would be pissed if Sony released a new PlayStation with one game from a beloved series and then just said “now it’s in other people’s hands, let them take care of creating more games for our hardware!”

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

God damn people want to just argue about everything

Kecessa,

Block me if you’re not happy

TachyonTele,

It’s ok, get it out.

tauren,

It isn’t up to Valve alone to push forward the industry and release top-tier VR games every other year. They took a risk and created one of the best games I’ve played, and I’m not alone in that opinion. Valve are trying expand the gaming experience, they are trying to be innovative, and people blame them for “not giving a crap”. Say what you want, but I thank Valve for what they are doing.

skulblaka,
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This entire argument can be made identically for Half-Life 1 and 2 requiring people to upgrade their PCs to be able to play them.

Kecessa,

Didn’t know Valve was selling PCs back in the day!

pory,
@pory@lemmy.world avatar

$1000 and your gaming PC for Alyx is way beyond buying a PS4 for Bloodborne, and even doing that is a bridge too far for me.

Hadriscus,

I thought you still needed to plug the VR headset into a computer ? is the computer built into the headset ?

Kanzar,

Most of the common ones now do wireless streaming from the PC for PCVR. But yes, for PCVR games you will still need a PC to run it. There are some VR headsets that are capable of running some games on it without a connected PC, like my Quest 2 can run Superhot or BeatSaber etc.

Hadriscus,

Pretty cool I didn’t know that at all

JustARaccoon,

Yes for the standalone devices, but you can connect them via cable or wirelessly to a pc too

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

The game starts at 60 USD and goes down to 30 pretty often. If you have VR already, it’s not very expensive.

5too,

I’m showing it as $18 right now.

circuitfarmer,
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It’s also way different from the goal of HL2. Downloading a launcher called Steam for free is not the same thing as buying specific hardware to play one game.

Jessica,

It’s free if you buy an Index

lime,
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not any more.

Jessica,

Maybe not in your country. I literally just checked on the American store and it’s still included with the Valve Index.

They even give you a free copy of Half-Life Alyx if you buy a pair of knuckles controllers for $279.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

that’s annoying, i certainly didn’t get a copy.

PhAzE,

You could buy a quest 2, connect it to your 5 year old PC and play it just fine. I ran it off a gtx 1070ti with that headset just fine.

baggins,

Valve’s ‘official’ VR hardware costs ~$1500. Ain’t no way 😆

FeelzGoodMan420,

Huh? It’s $1K, not $1.5K. still expensive though for outdated as shit hardware.

baggins,

With the little box doohickeys it’s currently $1300 CAD. Add on tax and shipping. I believe it used to be more.

FeelzGoodMan420,

What boxes? The 1k pack comes with two base stations. You mean if you want to add 2 more? Then yea, fair.

baggins,

the valve index is very expensive

The whole kit is $1300 before tax

FeelzGoodMan420,

Your looking at it in Canadian. I’m talking usd. So we’re saying the same thing, just different currencies lol.

tauren,

But it’s not required, there are much cheaper options, especially today with used quest 2 devices.

Kolanaki,
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The “other reasons” people aren’t buying affordable VR setups is because they don’t trust Meta or their privacy policies. If the new Valve headset was $300-500 it would go a long way. But $1200 isn’t it.

piecat,

That is why those other VR sets are so cheap.

With valve, you’re paying for the hardware. With Meta, you’re the product

BroiledShit,

Psvr2, plus the pc adapter, i got both for a total of like $400 a few months ago, and got hl alyx on sale.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Have you used any other VR headset? I ask just cuz I wanna know how the PSVR2 compares to other headsets.

BroiledShit,

The only other one ove used is psvr1, and one of those smart phone ones, psvr2 is obvioisly miles ahead of bith, though i cant say how it compares to Index, or quest. Id imagine its probably near quest quality.

Lv_InSaNe_vL,

I’ve used pretty much all of the headsets on the market. I still haven’t tried a Big screen VR headset though :(

For popular headsets I’d rank them kinda like this

  1. Valve Index - it’s just really old and really expensive now, don’t buy one unless you get a hell of a deal on it used
  2. Quest 2 - Still very very good, screens are getting a little dated now
  3. PSVR2 - its a little janky on PC but it works fine and the OLEDs are sublime
  4. Pixmax Crystal - Money not a problem this is the best headset I’ve tried. The FOV is crazy, displays are beautiful, and tracking is damn near perfect. Its just like $2300 for the whole lot
  5. Quest 3 - Overall the best headset on the market. Its $570 (just get the pro strap, trust me) and gets you so close to the big boys in screen quality, plus it’s wireless, plus it has crazy good passthrough (I use it a lot, most people don’t), and streams PC games perfectly.

PSVR2 has really really really good looking displays, but it has some other downsides which really bring it down in the rankings. I’d stay away from it unless you get a deal on a used one, then it would absolutely be worth it.

False,

Plenty of people aren’t interested in vr for different reasons.

TachyonTele,

Don’t tell me that. Tell Valve.

TheLoneMinon,

Kingdom Hearts would like a word.

AbsoluteChicagoDog,

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  • baggins,

    Fair but why not include a traditional mode so everyone can experience it. Otherwise it’s still just a gimmick to sell hardware

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  • baggins,

    Oh I didn’t realize connecting a VR headset to my computer made it not a computer anymore

    KITA, do games w Best game ever?

    Dark Souls was the one that won that vote that happened a few years ago

    Broadfern, do gaming w Back to total war I guess
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    Telling myself I’m saving money by going through my backlog and doing second/third playthroughs:

    any1th3r3, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of March 24th

    I finished a couple of games last week, SotN and Sayonara: Wild Hearts.

    I’m currently back on DOS2 and I quite enjoy the slow pace of the game.
    I might also attempt another playthrough of Bloodborne.

    Jeffool, do games w Best game ever?
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    Tetris in a walkway. Any format, really. It’s just great.

    GoOnASteamTrain, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of March 24th

    Avowed is still going strong! Loving it! :)

    lowleveldata, do gaming w Back to total war I guess

    How about a credit card

    Telorand, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of March 24th

    Just 100%'d MiSide. A really great horror experience without being overly gory or using a bunch of cheap jumpscares, and there’s some fun and silly elements, too.

    troyunrau, do gaming w Back to total war I guess
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    Steam sale. $0.12. sold!

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