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pennomi, w Elon Musk destroys astronomy

Obviously this is a problem for radio astronomers. I keep hoping we’ll build the proposed Lunar Crater Telescope so we can have a truly silent view of the universe.

anarchrist,

I would also consider a proposal to install elon musk at that location.

DScratch,

And then let people move there to get away from Elon.

baduhai,

And consequently create radio chatter and disturb the Lunar Crater Telescope :(

DScratch,

I’ll be very quiet. Promise.

BaroqueInMind,

How are you going to shit post on the internet with no wifi, then?

sneezycat,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

Ethernet cable.

BaroqueInMind,

Where is that ethernet cable getting internet from on the moon without there being a loud as fuck antenna?

lath,

The ether.

BaroqueInMind,

So then you won’t be able to be quiet due to the screaming and moans coming from the cacaphony of lost souls within the Warp

lath,

Eh, just treat it as ASMR.

gravitas_deficiency,

802.3

BaroqueInMind, (edited )

Ethernet protocol can’t reach the earth from the moon without there being a loud af antenna

gravitas_deficiency,

Fiber line to the bright side of the moon; transceiver there.

BaroqueInMind,

For multi-mode (full duplex) you would still need a power amp repeater every 500 meters, which requires a lot of power and create noise. You can’t be quiet with noise.

gravitas_deficiency,

Even if you make them sub-surface, or otherwise shield them from the FOV of the antenna?

BaroqueInMind,

Yes, because there’s no way to transmit power or data anywhere without being loud af in any signal spectrum. It’s physically impossible.

Even with fiber, you need a laser to beam the signal, and a powerful amp on the moon to recieve the signal and boost it with fuck ton of high power repeaters to the other side of the moon which is also loud af

gravitas_deficiency,

Be that as it may, it’d be minimal compared to the interference that terrestrial radio observatories have to deal with.

I guess I’m just saying that I don’t understand why you’re being so negative about the concept when it’s clearly going to be orders of magnitude better than existing antennae.

BaroqueInMind,

True. When can we visit said hypothetical moon base?

gravitas_deficiency,

Wanna go next Tuesday? I’m pretty sure I’m free then.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

I WONT

Caligvla,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Nah. Move him there, alone, forever.

Steve,

And how would they get there?

lath,

Lunar space elevator obviously.

maculata, w [Eric Berger] Seeing this eclipse is probably the highest-reward, lowest-effort thing one can do in life

If you live near to the path.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

If your instance is any indication of location: there’s an eclipse visible in most Oceania and SE Asian islands in 2028. For a good chunk of Australia and NZ, it’ll be a total eclipse. For further info, check it here.

For me (South America) there’s one already in October, but it’ll suck from my region (14% coverage). And another in 2027 (~75% coverage).

maculata,

Cool thanks! I still think it’s a broad brush of a statement that could be qualified a little.

kif,

I’ve got this one in my calendar already, and have organised preliminary accommodation!

BossDj,

The big difference is how close the sun is to solar maximum this year! The sun is at a point of peak electromagnetic activity, something that happens every 10 to 13 years, which is reflected in more chance of witnessing bursts of energy (flares and ejections) during the eclipse.

It in all likelihood will have passed by 2028.

DannyBoy,

That’s a very big qualifier. I wouldn’t want to be trying to get flights and hotels in cities along the path.

Fuck_u_spez_,

I drove eight hours or so to watch the one in 2017. No regrets.

Zitronensaft,

Me too, the clouds overhead parted just before totality and the corona was so dazzling and magnificent. I really hope there aren’t clouds in the way during this one.

Muscar,

Just driving 8 hours for it isn’t something the vast majority of the world can’t do. You were lucky small percentage.

maculata,

Which brings me back to my original critique of the title.

Mango,

I rented a Dodge Challenger to get into the path.

maculata,

All this strikes me as the opposite of ‘low effort’.

Mango,

It’s not quite staying in and playing videogames, but it’ll do.

Lyre, w Hundreds of black 'spiders' spotted in mysterious 'Inca City' on Mars in new satellite photos

I would love it if publications could just limit their headlines to one misleading term per story. The rocks are a ‘city’? Sure. The geysers looks like ‘spiders’? I guess. But when you start putting them together in the same headline it feels like your breaking the fourth wall or something

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

At least they’re in quotes, I guess.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

Yeah its hard to read as quote spiders unquote quote inca city unquote. New articles should not be doing this. geez at least put so called or something.

_Gandalf_the_Black_, w Frozen water discovered on Mars could fill Red Sea

But the Red Sea is already full of water

indigomirage,

Perfect.

JadenSmith, w Size Comparison: Pluto and Australia

What is Pluto doing so close to Australia?

That shouldn’t be allowed. Someone tell it to go back to it’s usual orbit, this is not on.

makyo,

You didn’t know they had a thing? It lasted until Australia found out Pluto wasn’t really a planet.

Agent641,

Fuck off Pluto, we’re full!

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

It’s their payback for that whole “clears its orbit” business.

intensely_human,

They’re using it to cool up Australia

mipadaitu, w Study: Dark matter does not exist and the universe is 27 billion years old

“Tired light” has been theorized before, and it just doesn’t hold up to most of the evidence gathered.

It’s entirely possible that there’s something there, but most data currently backs up the Lambda-CDM model of the universe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model

Only time will tell if this theory pans out, but I wouldn’t put much money on it.

lugal, w Size Comparison: Pluto and Australia

Still, the surface area is much bigger. Pluto is a real continent

Uebercomplicated,

Discreetly insulting both Australia and Pluto in one sentence! Absolutely love this; will share it with all my Australia and Plutonian friends! If Earth gets attacked, it’s not my fault, but yours :'P

NigelFrobisher,

If Australia attacks Earth you’ll know you’ve been attacked.

zerofk,

Australians can’t attack Earth, they’d fall right up into the sky without some reverse-reverse-gravity system.

astro_ray, w It pains to admit but i got Bird Jones'ed when buying my first telescope

what is bird jones?

einfach_orangensaft,
@einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works avatar

Its like a newtownian just that it has a spherical mirror (cheaper to make) and uses a corrective lens in front of the eyepeace.

MrFappy,

Alright, now explain it.

Forester,
@Forester@yiffit.net avatar

It’s an inferior telescope with a cheap mirror and built in contacts to make it work

echo,

Awesome ELI5. Now… why is it called that?

keckbug,

As with nearly everything in astronomic optics, it’s named after people associated with its creation. Robert Jones and Thomas Bird are the two in this case. Here’s a thread on Cloudy nights with good info.

Klanky,
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

Thanks for that thread. I’ve never heard of a Bird-Jones design before so it was super interesting.

einfach_orangensaft,
@einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works avatar

my fav from that thread (and i propose to make this a copy pasta):

My entire gripe around these scopes is the instruments being offered today, the sub-aperture lens arrangement is not doing any corrections. The lens is a straight up Barlow, nothing more.

If you look at the Bird-Jones design, the design is very specific in the design of both the primary & correcting lens. This means that both elements need to be not only matched but also well manufactured in order to work as designed. When you then look at the few true Bird-Jones instruments that were manufactured, such as the Tasco 8V (which was manufactured by Vixen), the Celestron G8-N and one other (escapes my mind right now but I’ll add it when I remember), these scopes were not cheap but pushing flagship status for these brands & supplied with swish mounts. And none of these scopes can be readily collimated by the end user as the alignment of the optics is so precise it is done in-factory. The 8V alone still maintains almost cult status.

The Bird-Jones design is not without its own shortcomings. It is not perfect without aberration. It is important to remember the ideas behind its design, to provide a short tube OTA option with what was able to be readily manufactured at the time, that being good spherical mirrors.

What is made today is a far cry from what a Bird-Jones offers performance wise. Made cheap with a poor spherical primary & that they are totally collimateable by the end user shows these are not a precision scope. Add to this that not a single Bird-Jones instrument is to be found anywhere else besides these cheap things. Doesn’t this say something?

These cheap instruments, really all cheap instruments are a double edge sword. They make astro more accessible, yes, but their poor quality ends up killing off more people’s enthusiasm for astro than firing it up. Add to this that for many novices if the mount is not a complicated equatorial one then it isn’t an astronomical instrument, & the difficult manner of using a wobble-tron mount & tripod with the mental gymnastics required just too much for most people who buy these and just give up way too soon.

Yes, there will be a few people who will be able to make these scopes work, being all they can afford, and all power to them. I will support such persons. But these are very few compared to the overwhelming number of people who just give up after the poor experience they get from these instruments. Too them astro is just all too hard, and mainly because of a poor instrument.

Call these cheap instruments what they are, a barlowed Newtonian.

mindbleach,

Guy named Bird, guy names Jones.

SkaveRat,

Okay okay

But why were their last names that?

WarmSoda, w A Nearby Star Is Expected to Go Nova This Year. Here's How You Can See It.

Humans have seen this nova lots of times before. It was first identified by astronomers in the late 1800s, and it bursts about every 80 years.

Indeed, the explosion heading our way would have taken place thousands of years ago, but requires all that time for the light to reach us.

Still, it’s worth checking it out – T Coronae Borealis last shone in 1946 and this will be the last viewing opportunity before the early 2100s.

Very cool.
That is, until the article says to check out Twitter for how to actually see it.

Immersive_Matthew,

Right. I avoid Twitter at every opportunity. I want nothing to do with that cease pit.

nulluser, (edited )

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Coronae_Borealis

On 20 April 2016, the Sky and Telescope website reported a sustained brightening since February 2015 from magnitude 10.5 to about 9.2. A similar event was reported in 1938, followed by another outburst in 1946.[20] By June 2018, the star had dimmed slightly but still remained at an unusually high level of activity. In March or April 2023, it dimmed to magnitude 12.3.[21] A similar dimming occurred in the year before the 1945 outburst, indicating that it will likely erupt between March and September 2024.

And if I’m interpreting some of the other content correctly, it’ll come and go in one night? Maybe someone who knows more about these can confirm or correct me.. See update below.

Also …

Even when at peak magnitude of 2.5, this recurrent nova is dimmer than about 120 stars in the night sky.

So, maybe a bit anticlimactic. 😞

Update: … …nasa.gov/…/view-nova-explosion-new-star-in-north…

Once its brightness peaks, it should be visible to the unaided eye for several days and just over a week with binoculars before it dims again, possibly for another 80 years.

WarmSoda,

So no range of dates then? Still pretty damned cool.

nulluser,

Between March and September, but that’s a pretty wide range. I guess just keep an eye out for the, “IT’S HAPPENING” posts.

XeroxCool,

Reminds me of when Betelgeuse, the orange upper star of Orion, went dim in 2020. Lots of amateur reports on its brightness, 3x per night, for a few months waiting for it to go nova. It settled down a bit before disappearing behind the sun for the season and came back just fine. It was kinda fun to monitor, but soooo many false alarms from people trying to call it first

WarmSoda,

Definitely will keep an eye out. Already have the eclipse in the calendar too.

DudeImMacGyver, w [Eric Berger] Seeing this eclipse is probably the highest-reward, lowest-effort thing one can do in life
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Low effort if you live in that little strip I guess

ShepherdPie,

That’s how it was for me in 2017. The path of totality went right over my house. I took the day off and strolled out to my back yard to watch it. We also smoked some meat and invited people over for a party, which was the most effort in the whole situation.

MrSpArkle, w Elon Musk destroys astronomy

Elon is a nazi but this was always bound to happen as we expand our presence in space.

Imagine the radio signature of any of the hundreds of orbital megastructures in sci fi.

qjkxbmwvz,

this was always bound to happen as we expand our presence in space.

Yes and no — from a different article:

Radiation associated with Starlink satellites was detected at observing frequencies between 110 and 188 MHz, which is well below the 10.7- 12.7 GHz radio frequencies used for the downlink communication signals.

(The original article said 5M radiation, which should be around 60MHz.)

So Starlink is emitting RF in spectrum where they shouldn’t, which is avoidable, but takes effort.

My guess, and I could be wrong, is that this could be related to something other than the radio(s), such as switching power supplies finding opportunistic structures from which to radiate.

Comment105,

Starlink seems like a genuinely interesting and useful technology, in some ways.

But it also seems like it might not be worth having.

I’m thinking they might need to be deorbited, but I’m not confident in that yet. It sounds like it might be fixable in a new generation of Internet constellation satellites.

Idk how long the issue should be tolerated to wait for that, though. And while Starlink has a good amount of customers this kind of Internet is genuinely useful for, it’s still not a lot compared to all the other internet services.

Maybe Starlink deorbiting should come along with an expansion of the traditional communications network. But maybe it would be extremely expensive to reach Starlink’s customers with towers or cables.

frezik,

China is putting up their own equivalent system. Terrestrial radio telescopes are fucked.

Time for a moon base.

anindefinitearticle, w NASA officially greenlights $3.35 billion mission to Saturn’s moon Titan

Titan is a place where methane and ethane rain from the sky and have a hydrologic cycle like the kind we’ve only ever seen before with water on Earth. These organics form rivers and flow into seas, carrying sediment with them. This mission will be going to the equatorial desert to understand that sediment.

Titan, like Europa, is an icy ocean moon. Titan is even larger, though. While Europa’s ocean is measured to have about twice the liquid volume of all of the earth’s oceans combined, Titan’s ocean (which possibly has significant quantities of ammonia and organics and alcohols mixed in) has five times the liquid volume of all of the earth’s oceans combined.

Sitting atop this ocean is a thick icy crust, upon which is a surface that looks more earth-like than any other planetoid surface in our solar system. Although it looks earth-like, the chemistry is in fact fundamentally different. It is based around organic solvents instead of water as the dominant driver of weather and erosion. The water on titan is stored in the bedrock!

And the sediment on top? Well, titan’s atmosphere is 5% methane. That methane gets hit by UV light and turns into more complex organics. Titan’s atmosphere is also rich in nitrogen and carbon monoxide, which add Nitrogen and Oxygen to these complex organics. These organics sediment out and coat the surface. Around the equator, they blow into large dunes in a desert biome. Precipitation falls and erodes the tar-covered landscape. These complex organics get mixed together as sediment in the rivers and dumped into the beds of the polar lakes and seas.

Dragonfly isn’t going to the seas. Too dangerous for the first mission here. We don’t know what we’ll find, and it’s hard to communicate with earth, and there is complex weather and clouds called the “polar hood” that might interfere. Dragonfly is going to the desert, to observe the complex organics falling from the sky and gathering on the ground to be blown into dunes. These are the ingredients that will get mixed together in the seas. There is also a cool crater there that calculations suggest melted the H2O bedrock and created a water-filled pool for the organics that has long-since frozen over. However, calculations suggest that this liquid water pool full of organics may have stayed partially liquid for hundreds of thousands of years in the subsurface. This is a location where we can study: “what happens if you take a bunch of complex organics and add water?” How far along the path to life could they get before the snapshot was frozen?

rebelsimile,

Amazing writeup! thanks!

atzanteol, w Study: Dark matter does not exist and the universe is 27 billion years old

This model explores the notion that the forces of nature diminish over cosmic time and that light loses energy over vast distances

Losing energy… to what?

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

Wildass hypothesis I just pulled out of my ass with an undergraduate degree in applied physics: maybe interaction with particles emerging from quantum vacuum?

Okay, that sounds like great technobabble. I’m going to watch star trek now ;)

atzanteol,

Seems you may be on to something. Virtual particle interactions seems to be a hypothesis for tired light.

To test this I suggest we reprogram the deflector dish to emit a low-power tachyon pulse to see if we can excite the non-baryonic mass interactions.

CitizenKong,

Don’t forget to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow!

felbane,

Shit, if only my turbo encabulator wasn’t broken!

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

those are old tech.

obsolete even.

RageAgainstTheRich,

You sound like you know what you’re talking about. I’m taking notes. 📝🧐

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.world avatar

It’s those damn inertial dampeners again

riskable,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

It’s probably not that the light is losing energy it’s just that the distance it travels over time (the time we “know” is supposed to take for a given distance) appears compressed because of unknown/unseen gravitational forces.

Think of it like this: If there were only one star in the universe and it emits a particle of light we could calculate the distance it would travel over time. Yet we know that star will still have a gravitational effect on that light… No matter how far away it gets.

That’s what they mean by light “losing energy”. Is the energy actually “lost”? Not really. Is this slowing (aka appearance of lost energy) caused by dark energy/dark matter or something more fundamental like spacetime itself being stretched or compressed due to the gravity of astronomical objects we can see or “dark matter”/“dark energy” or… ? We don’t really know for certain yet!

atzanteol,

It’s probably not that the light is losing energy it’s just that the distance it travels over time (the time we “know” is supposed to take for a given distance) appears compressed because of unknown/unseen gravitational forces.

This doesn’t seem to be at all what tired light proposes though. What you’re explaining sounds like red-shift due to an expanding universe. From what I can tell they claim it actually loses energy through interaction with “other things” in the universe.

xionzui,

This doesn’t answer the question in the context of this theory, but the current understanding is that light does lose energy as it travels through expanding space. As the space it’s in expands, the wavelength gets longer, and the energy goes down. It doesn’t go anywhere; energy just isn’t conserved in an expanding space-time.

HereIAm,

If the light loses energy, then it must surely lose it to something? And if your last point that energy isn’t being conserved in our universe, in which case we are either in some deep shit with the first law of thermodynamics, or our universe isn’t an isolated system.

atzanteol,

Seems energy is not conserved.

preposterousuniverse.com/…/energy-is-not-conserve…

The thing about photons is that they redshift, losing energy as space expands. If we keep track of a certain fixed number of photons, the number stays constant while the energy per photon decreases, so the total energy decreases.

Scribbd,

Ok. Smarter people probably thought of this, and probably found my hypothesis to be impossible. But what if… It is the the other way around. What if photons are losing energy because they are expanding spacetime. Like tiny little springs expanding out.

Live_your_lives,

Further into the article he says that, "It would be irresponsible of me not to mention that plenty of experts in cosmology or GR would not put it in these terms. We all agree on the science; there are just divergent views on what words to attach to the science. In particular, a lot of folks would want to say “energy is conserved in general relativity, it’s just that you have to include the energy of the gravitational field along with the energy of matter and radiation and so on.” "

So energy is conserved on the whole, it’s just not conserved if you consider photons apart from their greater context.

SkyeStarfall, (edited )

The energy is actually not conserved across the universe in general relativity, as it is currently understood. Conversation of energy is due to the time symmetry, which the expansion of space breaks.

atzanteol,

BTW, thanks! This comment sent me down a fascinating rabbit hole. It had simply never occurred to me that energy conversation didn’t apply in an expanding universe!

Live_your_lives,

“Energy is conserved in general relativity, it’s just that you have to include the energy of the gravitational field along with the energy of matter and radiation and so on.”

Quote taken from Atzanteol’s article.

RvTV95XBeo,

You try being a bright ray of sunshine for everything around you all day every day. Sometimes you just get tired, ya know?

Naz,

To the dark matter, of course.

;)

RizzRustbolt,

Entropy, capital “E”.

SamsonSeinfelder, w NASA loses contact with Ingenuity Mars helicopter

71 successful flights on a different planet is a very impressive achievement non the less

tate,
@tate@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

And much more impressive than what they intended in the first place!

Green13, w [Eric Berger] Seeing this eclipse is probably the highest-reward, lowest-effort thing one can do in life

If you waited to start planning until now it’ll be the hardest thing you’ve ever done.

xpinchx,

Yep. Anyone reading this that was planning on driving home right after - do yourself a favor and find a place nearby to stay the night.

Last time my 4 hour drive out was 17 hours back home. Gas stations out of gas, no bathrooms, bumper to bumper the whole way.

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