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gigachad, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

PlayStation only went downwards since the PlayStation 3 change my mind

thatKamGuy,

Can’t; you are objectively correct.

floquant,

All my homies hate having to pay for online services

zod000,

Although I don’t hate my PS5 (it’s the only console i still use), I do think the launch PS3 was peak Playstation. Yeah, it did have a “Homer car” vibe to it by including everything and the kitchen sink, but it was truly amazing.

cyberpunk007,

PS3 was dope I loved it, but I had a huge problem when they removed the Other OS option.

dinckelman, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

What the fuck are we even doing at this point, as a society?

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Dealing with knock on effects of a vindictive rapist trying to dismantle the global economy because he lost a popularity contest. Possibly at the behest of his russian handlers who want to fill the power gap.

And its gonna get a whole lot worse.

Zorque,

He’s a symptom more than a cause. This isn’t a recent development, just a recent escalation.

nico198X,
@nico198X@piefed.europe.pub avatar

the snake is eating its tail. but ppl won't rise up until they are literally dying.

so do what you can in your own life to mitigate these impacts on you and yours.

cmbabul,

This is really insightful and very good advice

It fucking sucks how much this point illustrates the reality of this time. But it’s upsettingly accurate

stoy,

Stagnation ahead of a major societal shift?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

This is just classic shrinkflation. Your bottle of shampoo comes in 32 ounces, they shrink it to 24 ounces without changing the price, then later they come out with 32 ounce bottles again with a higher price and a sticker that says, “Now with 33% more!” to make it seem like they’re giving you so much shampoo; and then the cycle repeats.

slate,

No, it’s not. Consoles (and technology in general) historically trend cheaper over time. Demand lowers, manufacturing cost lowers, newer tech releases, costs adjust to accommodate.

It’s very abnormal that the current gen of consoles has not only not gotten cheaper yet, but has actually raisen in price. Like, very very abnormal.

Shrinkflation is a real thing, but historically it has nothing to do with consoles.

https://i.imgur.com/9ZsU9Ek.png

Source: neogaf.com/…/how-low-will-the-price-of-ps4-go.152…

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/console-prices-over-time-adjusted-for-inflation-640x360.png

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/console-price-drops-over-time-normalized.png

Source: arstechnica.com/…/are-the-ps4-and-xbox-one-really…

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, but Moore’s Law has broken down, and the things that used to allow for consoles to get cheaper over time, via new revisions, are not holding true anymore. So in lieu of those things, we’ve got classic shrinkflation.

Valmond,

A 1TB SSD is 60€. In a shop.

They’re like cheaping out 6 bucks here

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, on already thin margins (I don’t remember if PS5 is sold at a loss, but Xbox is), multiplied by millions more units.

dormedas,

PS5 is supposedly no longer sold at a loss.

That said, the margin per console is probably not good enough for their required profit growth, hence this.

paraphrand,

Node shrinks drove a lot of this. Those have stopped being such large leaps.

thermal_shock,
missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

In addition to what others have said about Moore's Law slowing down, there's also just the fact that console generations themselves are slower. The cheapest price cuts on old consoles were fire sale prices to clear out old stock when they were on their way out. Even though the PS5 has been on the market for about as long, it still feels like the generation is only beginning, we won't be talking about PS6 for a long time yet.

Lost_My_Mind,

I have a theory.

None of this is real. It’s a simulation thats been abandoned. And now, all the errors are compounding.

omarfw,

It’s post-capitalism. Capitalism was only ever capable of bringing about merit based class mobility and prosperity temporarily before the sociopaths all trickled to the top over the decades and then shut that shit down. Neo-feudalism is the inevitable result, and that will eventually be dismantled by another working class revolution.

All economies have lifespans.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

TBH I’d just say were seeing capitalism approach its final inevitable form.

omarfw,

That’s essentially what I’m saying. It will always end up this way. Whether we call it late stage or post capitalism or just capitalism is irrelevant. It’s a system that empowers sociopathy and sociopaths will always choose to enrich themselves at the expense of the country and it’s citizens.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, wasn’t disagreeing with you. Capitalism is a fundamentally unsustainable system, it’s always going to eventually metastasise into a situation where a very few control almost all of the resources and the vast majority are desperate and impoverished. There might be meritocratic aspects to it in its early stages, but later on skills, talents and hard work won’t get you shit unless you’re rich.

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

The hard times are coming, so we’ll have to be hardened.

frezik,

Transistors aren’t getting cheaper, and the industry doesn’t know how to deal with that. They’re still in the mindset that Moore’s Law has continued and will continue.

Then some clown convinced a bunch of people that he should be in charge of things, and he thought tariffs were a valid economic tool.

etchinghillside, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

Is 825GB a common size? Is there any logic to where that being picked came from?

inclementimmigrant,

Shareholder value vs executive bonus calculation.

wizardbeard,

Nope.

512+256=768, 768+64=832… minus 7 for system data and general overhead maybe? That’s my best guess, but that’s a really odd size.

zaphod,

Assuming it’s 768GiB, then it would be 824.6GB, not 832GB.

whimsy,

Maybe some overprovisioning for the SSD. But to be honest, I’m not sure

Lyra_Lycan, (edited )

Theory 1: Because it is cheaper to manufacture.
Theory 2: It is custom made for the PS5’s internal 12 data channels, allowing for faster read/write than normal.

They buymake storage with 12 channels, and 1 Toshiba NAND chip @ 512Gib per channel. This means each SSD has 768GiB of storage, or 825GB. The max read bandwidth is 9GB/s.
math: 512Gib x 12ch = 6144Gib / 8 = 768GiB

For reference the Samsung 990 Pro 1TB has 8 channels, and 2 Samsung NAND chips @ 500Gb per channel. This means each SSD has 932GiB of storage, or 1,000GB. The max read bandwidth is 7.5GB/s.
math: (converted to Gib for uniformity) 466Gib x 2 chips = 932Gib x 8ch = 7456Gib / 8 = 932GiB

Key:
Gib = gibibit, 1024⁴ bits
GiB = gibibyte, giga/binary/byte, 1024⁴ x 8 bits
GB = gigabyte, giga(decimal)byte, 1000⁴ x 8 bits

Extra: Storage-based measurements are largely measured in binary bytes but displayed with the decimal abbreviation, hence my C: drive here was sold as 500GB, equal to 465GiB but Windows shows it as 465GB

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/a0d86eaf-f521-45f7-94c0-d1f423f6a987.webp

pureness, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

So pretty much 2-3 games like baldurs gate, helldivers, GTA V after accounting for the OS, with no ability for physical games. Idk who would buy this with that knowledge… it makes the disc version the only viable choice for a bit more coin

prole,

It’s actually really easy to add an nvme drive. That’s more costs though, obv

vrighter, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

the ps5 is the console I used the least. And I bought the ps3 in the middle of the ps4’s generation.

BigTrout75, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

🤔 The PS5 is 5 years old. I’ll pass.

vane, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

I’m waiting for PS1 but priced like PS5 and called remaster.

FurryMemesAccount, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

Fuck Sony for making Europe pay for America’s stupidy. And Microsoft, I think they’re doing it too.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

America’s stupidity doesn’t account for all of it. Sony would love to get more PS5s in homes at lower entry prices if they could.

inclementimmigrant, (edited )

I mean it honestly looks more like a corporation using US tariffs for cover than being directly affecting it like the article was speculating.

I mean we’ll have a better idea when the price is released in the US markets since current US prices for PS 5s have already increased for the US only.

AGD4, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade

Is it currently possible to background transfer a game install from external HDD to SSD while playing a game? As far as I recall the PS5 did not allow that early into the system’s launch.

Not to simp for Sony, but if it is possible then I don’t think NVMe disk space is a massive issue. The system at least has a 10gbps usb-c port for external drive transfer.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Unless you want to manually transfer every game ahead of when you want to play it, it is very much a massive issue to play games designed with nvme storage in mind on an SSD, let alone an HDD.

And that is assuming it will even launch.

And even the manual shuffling becomes a problem as the consoles tend to be very picky about how much space you have and how much buffer they want before they’ll do an FS operation. Ask any of us who had a lot of games installed on the PS4…

thatKamGuy, do games w PS5 may get more price increases in the US, analyst warns

…and so it fucking should; the more pain average Americans feel, the better - honestly.

We are less than 8 months into this administration, and they are already doing their damnedest to rat-fuck the elections in an effort to fully seize power for at least a generation and remake the nation in their own twisted vision.

The last chance left to stop this takeover is the 2026 midterms, and the GOP are already pulling out all of the stops to stop that from happening:

  • Gerrymandering the absolute shit out of Texas
  • Closing polling booths in locations likely to vote against the GOP
  • Imposing voter identification laws to further disenfranchise ‘undesirables’
  • Rail against mail-in ballots to further suppress turnout

Hopefully the dam breaks and inflation well and truly begins to run away - so that the majority of the population feel the impact of this President’s policies to their wallets, and vote out his lapdogs and lackeys.

If not, then the nation and its people are truly lost and more expensive consoles are going to be the least of your worries.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

It’s cute that people still think voting will help.

echodot,

He’s not a dictator (yet), if the republicans face a lot of backlash for this they might feel the need to rain him in a bit, give him some Xanax and a fidget spinner or something.

frog_brawler,

Midterms will be cancelled

echodot, do games w PS5 may get more price increases in the US, analyst warns

Well there hasn’t really been any good games for it. I suspect it’ll be like that until GTA comes out next year. Everyone was holding off in releasing until after that as they think I’ll cost $90 and that’ll open the flood gates

frog_brawler, do games w PS5 may get more price increases in the US, analyst warns

PS5 is dogshit. I haven’t turned mine on since October.

Squizzy,

Got astrobot for my son and GoW for myself.

Other than that it was useless and both of those are not enough to stay. Finally committed to building a linux gaming setup.

Smeagol666, do games w PS5 may get more price increases in the US, analyst warns

They can keep the fucking thing with all of these dogshit “AAA” games that come out half baked and/or dark pattern tricks to try and fuck you out of even more money. I’m glad I never bothered with Diablo 4 or POE 2.

desmosthenes,
@desmosthenes@lemmy.world avatar

bruh you speak nonsense. there is no company like GGG (maker of PoE) when it comes to fairness, dedication to their fans, dedication to their core values and ideas of what an ARPG should be and both games are free (poe 2 will be free on full release) but yea fuck blizzard

HeyJoe, do games w PS5 may get more price increases in the US, analyst warns

Back in my day, console prices went down as they aged. This is the first time I’ve been thrilled to get one early, but sad because this sucks…

eezeebee, do games w PS5 may get more price increases in the US, analyst warns
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ll do this analyst’s job for half the pay

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