So pretty much 2-3 games like baldurs gate, helldivers, GTA V after accounting for the OS, with no ability for physical games. Idk who would buy this with that knowledge… it makes the disc version the only viable choice for a bit more coin
Although I don’t hate my PS5 (it’s the only console i still use), I do think the launch PS3 was peak Playstation. Yeah, it did have a “Homer car” vibe to it by including everything and the kitchen sink, but it was truly amazing.
Theory 1: Because it is cheaper to manufacture.
Theory 2: It is custom made for the PS5’s internal 12 data channels, allowing for faster read/write than normal.
They buymake storage with 12 channels, and 1 Toshiba NAND chip @ 512Gib per channel. This means each SSD has 768GiB of storage, or 825GB. The max read bandwidth is 9GB/s. math: 512Gib x 12ch = 6144Gib / 8 = 768GiB
For reference the Samsung 990 Pro 1TB has 8 channels, and 2 Samsung NAND chips @ 500Gb per channel. This means each SSD has 932GiB of storage, or 1,000GB. The max read bandwidth is 7.5GB/s. math: (converted to Gib for uniformity) 466Gib x 2 chips = 932Gib x 8ch = 7456Gib / 8 = 932GiB
Extra: Storage-based measurements are largely measured in binary bytes but displayed with the decimal abbreviation, hence my C: drive here was sold as 500GB, equal to 465GiB but Windows shows it as 465GB
Is it currently possible to background transfer a game install from external HDD to SSD while playing a game? As far as I recall the PS5 did not allow that early into the system’s launch.
Not to simp for Sony, but if it is possible then I don’t think NVMe disk space is a massive issue. The system at least has a 10gbps usb-c port for external drive transfer.
Unless you want to manually transfer every game ahead of when you want to play it, it is very much a massive issue to play games designed with nvme storage in mind on an SSD, let alone an HDD.
And that is assuming it will even launch.
And even the manual shuffling becomes a problem as the consoles tend to be very picky about how much space you have and how much buffer they want before they’ll do an FS operation. Ask any of us who had a lot of games installed on the PS4…
Dealing with knock on effects of a vindictive rapist trying to dismantle the global economy because he lost a popularity contest. Possibly at the behest of his russian handlers who want to fill the power gap.
This is just classic shrinkflation. Your bottle of shampoo comes in 32 ounces, they shrink it to 24 ounces without changing the price, then later they come out with 32 ounce bottles again with a higher price and a sticker that says, “Now with 33% more!” to make it seem like they’re giving you so much shampoo; and then the cycle repeats.
Yes, but Moore’s Law has broken down, and the things that used to allow for consoles to get cheaper over time, via new revisions, are not holding true anymore. So in lieu of those things, we’ve got classic shrinkflation.
In addition to what others have said about Moore's Law slowing down, there's also just the fact that console generations themselves are slower. The cheapest price cuts on old consoles were fire sale prices to clear out old stock when they were on their way out. Even though the PS5 has been on the market for about as long, it still feels like the generation is only beginning, we won't be talking about PS6 for a long time yet.
It’s post-capitalism. Capitalism was only ever capable of bringing about merit based class mobility and prosperity temporarily before the sociopaths all trickled to the top over the decades and then shut that shit down. Neo-feudalism is the inevitable result, and that will eventually be dismantled by another working class revolution.
That’s essentially what I’m saying. It will always end up this way. Whether we call it late stage or post capitalism or just capitalism is irrelevant. It’s a system that empowers sociopathy and sociopaths will always choose to enrich themselves at the expense of the country and it’s citizens.
Yeah, wasn’t disagreeing with you. Capitalism is a fundamentally unsustainable system, it’s always going to eventually metastasise into a situation where a very few control almost all of the resources and the vast majority are desperate and impoverished. There might be meritocratic aspects to it in its early stages, but later on skills, talents and hard work won’t get you shit unless you’re rich.
Transistors aren’t getting cheaper, and the industry doesn’t know how to deal with that. They’re still in the mindset that Moore’s Law has continued and will continue.
Then some clown convinced a bunch of people that he should be in charge of things, and he thought tariffs were a valid economic tool.
How many games are y’all installing at once? 825GB is plenty. You can have three 200GB games installed, plus 3 or 4 AAA games with more reasonable disk usage.
That’s the way I play. Like 2-4 games max on my storage. Each one is a different genre, I play it until I finish then uninstall and move on to next game.
Hell yeah. We should be boycotting them for taking our physical media, because it breeds complacency and that’s how they steal from us. You will own nothing and eat bugs.
I mean… you can still use physical media for games, just prepare for it to be awfully slow unless it’s like a tiny indie game or something low-fi. As for the console makers, they still offer non-digital models. Idk who’s “they” in this instance.
edit: even better, it was pointed out to me it doesn’t have to be slow if you copy the contents of a disc to internal space
I agree, but being that you can buy a 256gb SSD from Walmart for $17.99, I’d like to see a new complete game purchase at $67.99 that you just plug the SSD into the top of the console and press a button to turn it on. SSD loads and has the entire contents of a completed game without need for internet access. If it doesn’t work, they didn’t ship a complete game and should be liable for refunding/replacing the product you bought from them.
Sure they are sata drives, but you really shouldn’t need something faster to play a game, as everything can go to the consoles RAM/GPU’s memory and then store back to the drives, meaning they could cut internal storage if needed as well. Stick the drives in cases, put on your games rack. Id like it. Maybe I’m not the main demographic though.
No longer play a game, sell it… Or format the drive and recycle it for another use.
So, back to cartridges. Honestly I’d be totally fine with that- but the issue isn’t quite with my end. Some game is made, and is sold for $70. A disc costs under a dollar to produce. A cart is significantly more, and digital is just paying upkeep on a server. Digital has the highest profit margin, and carts the lowest. Discs are great for physical distribution.
That said, I would totally love collector editions in the form of a figurine with storage media built in.
You can still get modern games on a bluray, but people started valuing convenience in the moment over everything else. That’s why digital-only consoles got so huge, on top of being cheaper.
I think that’s a bit too big to be just the OS, they have like 50GB of built-in stuff (share factory+astro but you can uninstall both). It’s probably something sensible like 60GB but they’re playing it safe by doubling the reserved space. It’s Sony after all
You lose some because 825GB refers to 825.000.000.000 bytes, divide by 1024 (bytes in KB) and you get 768GB usable space. In the early days of ps5 there was 667GB left over after OS and stuff
You can fit maybe 5 games at 100 GBs a piece (which is pretty standard for PS5) on an 825 GB drive, not to mention that you have to leave up to 100 GB overhead just to update certain games plus room for the OS. If you have a family then you literally have a situation like mine where I have 1 game installed to the PS5 and Warzone, Fortnite, Roblox, Rocket League, Fall Guys, and Marvel Rivals take up the rest of the console storage space
You referring to the expansion drives that slot in the back and are hotswappable? Most expensive storage medium I’ve ever bought. Problem was, there was no alternative… Internal storage ignored, ofc
Current gen games can’t be played from standard external storage. You could put the game there, but it would have to be moved to internal memory to play it.
Well there hasn’t really been any good games for it. I suspect it’ll be like that until GTA comes out next year. Everyone was holding off in releasing until after that as they think I’ll cost $90 and that’ll open the flood gates
They can keep the fucking thing with all of these dogshit “AAA” games that come out half baked and/or dark pattern tricks to try and fuck you out of even more money. I’m glad I never bothered with Diablo 4 or POE 2.
bruh you speak nonsense. there is no company like GGG (maker of PoE) when it comes to fairness, dedication to their fans, dedication to their core values and ideas of what an ARPG should be and both games are free (poe 2 will be free on full release) but yea fuck blizzard
…and so it fucking should; the more pain average Americans feel, the better - honestly.
We are less than 8 months into this administration, and they are already doing their damnedest to rat-fuck the elections in an effort to fully seize power for at least a generation and remake the nation in their own twisted vision.
The last chance left to stop this takeover is the 2026 midterms, and the GOP are already pulling out all of the stops to stop that from happening:
Gerrymandering the absolute shit out of Texas
Closing polling booths in locations likely to vote against the GOP
Imposing voter identification laws to further disenfranchise ‘undesirables’
Rail against mail-in ballots to further suppress turnout
Hopefully the dam breaks and inflation well and truly begins to run away - so that the majority of the population feel the impact of this President’s policies to their wallets, and vote out his lapdogs and lackeys.
If not, then the nation and its people are truly lost and more expensive consoles are going to be the least of your worries.
He’s not a dictator (yet), if the republicans face a lot of backlash for this they might feel the need to rain him in a bit, give him some Xanax and a fidget spinner or something.
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