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RightHandOfIkaros, (edited ) do games w Helldivers 2 was almost a free-to-play game, could've changed Sony's live service trajectory

Being paid is better. Less cheaters and griefers on new accounts ruining everyone’s game.

There are still plenty of griefers (mostly PlayStation players in my experience, which is why I have crossplay disabled and don’t join randoms anymore), but imagine how many more would be there if they could use bots to keep creating new accounts to claim the game for free.

osaerisxero,
@osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org avatar

This surprises me, as I've only really encountered one lobby that had griefing issues, and they were readily resolved by me running an autocannon and the laser pistol lol. I think the nature of the game itself does a lot to minimize the impact of players being jackasses.

RightHandOfIkaros,

I tried playing with PS players about 11 times, and every single mission ended with me being team killed and kicked right before extract, but after all the objectives were completed. I’m not giving them another chance.

stringere,

Autocannon is love

Brosplosion,

As someone who played an unhealthy amount of Rocket League, the transition from paid to free to play ruined the game. The sheer amount of smurfing was disgusting.

BroBot9000, do games w Helldivers 2 was almost a free-to-play game, could've changed Sony's live service trajectory
@BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck that shit. Games as a service is a fucking scam.

stringere,

GaaS-lighting

verdi, (edited ) do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios

Well, that’s 50 studios that won’t ever see my money.

*edit

So, every time a corpo does something shady, social media at large argues: “vote with your wallet”

Given Microsoft’s criminal and genocidal history I decide to boycott companies who associate with that behemoth, especially when they are validating a business model that fucks over other indies. It’s the perfect example of “fuck you I got mine”. I’m clearly voting with my wallet against this unconscionable practice, yet, this thread, on average, thinks that’s a bad thing. I think it paints the average user here on a very negative light, which is disappointing.

MurrayL,

Given the state of the industry right now, there’s a good chance these games simply wouldn’t have been made without these deals.

If the choice is between releasing on GP or not releasing at all, I don’t begrudge them for taking the deal.

nuggie_ss,

People have made better games with fewer resources.

CallMeAnAI,

Sucks to be your then 🤣

FenderStratocaster,

That’s dumb. That’s like saying you won’t buy a DVD because it’s available for rent at Blockbuster.

Katana314,

I will avoid giving Microsoft my money where possible, but I’m not going to oppose indie developers taking their money.

It just means their game trailers get an “Available with Game Pass” logo which I swiftly ignore.

ms_lane, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios

RIP 48 of those games.

addie,
@addie@feddit.uk avatar

48 studios will be closed before they get a game out, and then the other two will be closed after making something award-winning and genre-redefining, and the IP will never see the light of day again.

wetbeardhairs, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios

XBox then buys indies and shutters their studios. Whoopsie.

thatKamGuy,

Maybe not; but my bigger worry is that while this is good for indies initially, by guaranteeing a minimum fixed income for a project - the long-term effect will be that Gamers^TM^ may just begin to expect indie titles to be “free” via GamePass and won’t buy them otherwise.

This would pretty much monopolise those sorts of titles to XBox and leave developers dependent on Microsoft for their continued existence.

LNRDrone,

I think that there’s big enough chunk of gamers that wasn’t own and support Indie games directly rather than rent them through gamepass that it hopefully won’t have much impact.

I am hoping there won’t be any exclusivity BS though, Epic has been bad enough with that already.

Sonotsugipaa,

Unfortunately that’s already happening, I know a few people that are hard to convince to play something that isn’t on GamePass — I never insisted, but it’s still a bummer that I need M$'s blessing to play with people I know, considering I don’t have an Xbox and cross-play games that we all like are hard to find.

SkunkWorkz, (edited )

Yeah it’s straight up the big tech playbook. Undermine competition with low subscription prices and a lot of content. Lure in developers with deals that are too good to be true. And then once the customers are invested in using GamePass and stop buying games, increase subscription prices. And since MS is by then the gatekeeper to the market they don’t have to pay out so much to the developers anymore. It’s basically what Uber has done, once they killed the taxi market in a city they increased prices and lowered payouts to drivers. And since customers are used to those ride hailing apps the normal taxi market will never bounce back and drivers are basically forced to work with Uber or change jobs.

Also once Microsoft has a large chunk of the market in hand they basically decide before hand which games become a success or not instead of letting the market decide. So yeah games critical of their customers like the Israeli government will probably never get on GamePass and thus never reach a large audience. We’ll be seeing way more censorship than what we’ve seen with Steam recently if GamePass becomes the default way to consume games.

Goodeye8,

I hate Game Pass. It’s a poisoned well. If it’s a continued success it won’t just turn games into subscription service content (meaning we’ll own our games even less. Anyone thinking MS will continue selling games separately I guarantee if Game Pass sticks around for the next decade there will be “only on Game Pass” games) but it will become a locking mechanism for whatever MS new gaming OS will be. MS will make sure Game Pass won’t work on Linux so MS could continue having OS dominance in the gaming space. And of course the service will eventually enshittify because $$$.

The future of Game Pass is a future nobody wants. Paying for an overpriced service to play a curated list of games you can’t own on a machine that will track everything you do and feed you ads every chance it gets.

Sonotsugipaa,

As far as I’m aware GamePass is already Xbox+Windows exclusive because it uses the Microsoft Store on PC

Goodeye8,

I thought there was some way but I guess I was mistaken.

zecg, (edited )
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

Whose employees then go and form a new company, marketing its first game as “by the makers of X” and MS is left holding IP of dubious worth and their dick in their hands.

ieatpwns,

Their “close deal” and “close studio” keys are right next to each other on their keyboards. Simple mistake to make

Kurious84, do games w Helldivers 2 was almost a free-to-play game, could've changed Sony's live service trajectory

Measly 40 dollars.

Melonpoly, do games w Helldivers 2 was almost a free-to-play game, could've changed Sony's live service trajectory

That would’ve made the game far worse

commander, do games w Helldivers 2 was almost a free-to-play game, could've changed Sony's live service trajectory

That’s pretty much the whole of the article. It was a free to play title until it became a $40 game that would also still operate as a live service game

nuggie_ss, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios

It’s just business.

Might as well cast a wide net with a bunch of indie trash, hoping that something ends up gaining a following for- whatever reason.

It’s cheaper and easier than taking on risk themselves and trying to compete with the big dogs.

devolution, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios
@devolution@lemmy.world avatar

49 studios shut down. Details at 6.

HollowNaught, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

It’s hifi rush all over again ;_;

ArchmageAzor, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, at this point studios must know what it means to let MS meddle in things. Or is the feeling of “no, not with me, this time will be different” so prevalent?

Breezy, do games w Xbox invests big into indies, signs Game Pass deals with over 50 studios

They’re not buying the game theyre supporting it to get it on game pass same as they did with palworld. I dont see anything wrong, right now.

jordanlund, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Digital only with reduced space? What’s the worst that could happen? 🤔

“Buy a bigger SSD!”

SomethingBurger,

How many games are y’all installing at once? 825GB is plenty. You can have three 200GB games installed, plus 3 or 4 AAA games with more reasonable disk usage.

tidderuuf,

That’s the way I play. Like 2-4 games max on my storage. Each one is a different genre, I play it until I finish then uninstall and move on to next game.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I usually have 10-20 on my PC and Steam Deck. Sometimes I’m not in the mood for the 2-3 games I’m playing through, but one of my favorites sounds fun.

inclementimmigrant,

Not the freaking point but okay.

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

I have a four TB SSD installed in my PS5 and I wish I had more.

I like to play what I want without waiting for a download.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

Just put the disc in and shut the lid. I don’t know what these downloads people are talking about are

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9ce2fd11-6160-4da8-b469-dbe276946b8e.jpeg

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Downloads have been a thing for a couple years now.

bridgeenjoyer,

Hell yeah. We should be boycotting them for taking our physical media, because it breeds complacency and that’s how they steal from us. You will own nothing and eat bugs.

real_squids, (edited )

I mean… you can still use physical media for games, just prepare for it to be awfully slow unless it’s like a tiny indie game or something low-fi. As for the console makers, they still offer non-digital models. Idk who’s “they” in this instance.

edit: even better, it was pointed out to me it doesn’t have to be slow if you copy the contents of a disc to internal space

LifeInMultipleChoice,

I agree, but being that you can buy a 256gb SSD from Walmart for $17.99, I’d like to see a new complete game purchase at $67.99 that you just plug the SSD into the top of the console and press a button to turn it on. SSD loads and has the entire contents of a completed game without need for internet access. If it doesn’t work, they didn’t ship a complete game and should be liable for refunding/replacing the product you bought from them.

Sure they are sata drives, but you really shouldn’t need something faster to play a game, as everything can go to the consoles RAM/GPU’s memory and then store back to the drives, meaning they could cut internal storage if needed as well. Stick the drives in cases, put on your games rack. Id like it. Maybe I’m not the main demographic though.

No longer play a game, sell it… Or format the drive and recycle it for another use.

ApatheticCactus,

So, back to cartridges. Honestly I’d be totally fine with that- but the issue isn’t quite with my end. Some game is made, and is sold for $70. A disc costs under a dollar to produce. A cart is significantly more, and digital is just paying upkeep on a server. Digital has the highest profit margin, and carts the lowest. Discs are great for physical distribution.

That said, I would totally love collector editions in the form of a figurine with storage media built in.

real_squids,

You can still get modern games on a bluray, but people started valuing convenience in the moment over everything else. That’s why digital-only consoles got so huge, on top of being cheaper.

ozymandias117,

Even with the PS4, the bluray couldn’t play the game.

It had to install to the internal drive and download updates

real_squids,

Makes sense, blurays are at like 50MB/s read, at least you could keep the disc and share it

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Those 200gb games take a while to download, even on a gigabit internet connection.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

825GB is the raw space, not usable space.

You lose some to formatting and file structure, you lose more to system reserved space for updates and what not.

Out of the box, a 1 TB PS5 has 848 GB available.

So if you’re starting with 825 GB that means you’re likely to only have, what? 700 GB free? Less?

Some games push 100 GB, so max of 7 of those not counting DLC and what not?

inclementimmigrant,

Don’t forget that the OS is on there too taking up space and from reports it’s about 160 GB on its own.

moody,

The OS is 160 GB? That seems unrealistic. Windows 11 is bloated AF and is less than 30 GB.

What could an OS running on fixed hardware have that requires 160 GB?

real_squids,

I think that’s a bit too big to be just the OS, they have like 50GB of built-in stuff (share factory+astro but you can uninstall both). It’s probably something sensible like 60GB but they’re playing it safe by doubling the reserved space. It’s Sony after all

real_squids, (edited )

You lose some because 825GB refers to 825.000.000.000 bytes, divide by 1024 (bytes in KB) and you get 768GB usable space. In the early days of ps5 there was 667GB left over after OS and stuff

TORFdot0,

You can fit maybe 5 games at 100 GBs a piece (which is pretty standard for PS5) on an 825 GB drive, not to mention that you have to leave up to 100 GB overhead just to update certain games plus room for the OS. If you have a family then you literally have a situation like mine where I have 1 game installed to the PS5 and Warzone, Fortnite, Roblox, Rocket League, Fall Guys, and Marvel Rivals take up the rest of the console storage space

Sebastrion,

Sound more like one game if you are a CoD player.

SomethingBurger,

CoD players don’t play other games anyway.

inclementimmigrant,

I guess just be glad they’re not pulling a Microsoft where you’d have to buy a propriety NVMe drive.

Lyra_Lycan,

You referring to the expansion drives that slot in the back and are hotswappable? Most expensive storage medium I’ve ever bought. Problem was, there was no alternative… Internal storage ignored, ofc

Gerudo,

You always were able to use a standard external drive. Yeah, the speed was slower, but you weren’t forced to buy the expansion card.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Current gen games can’t be played from standard external storage. You could put the game there, but it would have to be moved to internal memory to play it.

BC games would work fine, but not current gen.

Applies to both PS5 and Xbox both.

Prox,

Are you able to expand the PS5’s storage with just a normal USB 3.0 drive?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

You can, but you can’t play games from it, it would be storage only. You’d have to move it to internal memory to play it.

Prox,

Okay, so isn’t that exactly the same situation as the Xbox, but then the Xbox gives you the additional option to actually expand the hot storage?

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Yup. On the PS5, you can add standard M2 storage to increase the usable internal space.

On the Xbox you have to use the Seagate or WD plug.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Only for backwards compatibility titles. PS5 titles have to be run off of either the integrated storage or an M.2 SSD.

killerscene,

its weird cause the UHD player is probably what i use the most on my PS5

Jolteon,

Oh no, the SSD is soldered to the motherboard.

Though this is probably unlikely, I wouldn’t actually be surprised.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

No, the PS5 has a standard expansion slot.

Anivia,

The SSD has been soldered to the motherboard on previous models as well. The nvme slot is for adding a second SSD, it’s not populated from the factory

ook, do games w Sony is releasing a new PS5 console, but it's a downgrade
@ook@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Fucking shrinkflation coming to electronics? Damn.

drspawndisaster,

Just consoles! You can still prowl ebay for computer parts and build something basically just as good for like 200 bucks.

jacksilver,

I thought most equivelant gpus to the ps5 start around $200 on their own.

Doomsider,

You may be able to get a used 3070 for around $200. That doesn’t include the rest of the computer though.

prole,

As good as PS5 for $200? Yeah, no.

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