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  • Appoxo,
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    Haptic feedback has everyone. How does it differ in any form from other controllers.
    Pretty sure only the Switch and PS5 Controllers have something unique to vibration motors

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    I’m pretty sure they’re talking about the gyro, which Sony and Nintendo have had since the previous generation.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Gyro is imo a bit of a gimmick.
    Same as the adaptive triggers from the PS5 and the HD rumble from the switch and the Kinect from the Xbox 360/One.

    They are all pretty cool but how many devs will actually implement it?
    HD rumble: Sure, there are party games but those are 1st party (usually) and what purpose do they offer besides the few haptic feedbacks?
    Adaptive trigger: I see two options. Racing or Archery. Maybe the odd platformer.
    Kinect: Basically a Wiimote and a WiiFit - the scale. It had a few neat titles but basically useless unless you like the swish around in the dashboard.

    So what purpose does the gyro serves outside of more expensive hardware the majority of devs will not utilize. Am I really missing out on something?

    SatyrSack,

    Gyro aiming makes a huge difference, and as long as the OS or whatever supports it, game developers have to do nothing extra to support it.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I have a SteamDeck…Maybe I should try it at least.
    But I honestly can’t see myself using it with something like Halo Infinite or Doom Eternal.

    But true: If the OS does itbas a full implementation, no extra work.

    SatyrSack,

    Those are exactly the types of games that most benefit from gyro controls. You still use the right joystick to look around like normal, but then you also have gyro to make fine adjustments on top of that.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Wrong.

    MomoTimeToDie,

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    Ouya

    MomoTimeToDie,

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  • PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Goalposts moved.

    ninjan, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller

    I hate flowery language like “now adorably all digital”. What the fuck is adorable about it being all digital?

    Zeus,

    the same way that removing a headphone jack is courageous, i guess

    dependencyInjection,

    I mean based on the backlash one could argue it was courageous no?

    Zeus,

    yeah i guess i can’t argue with that…

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    Y’know, I can’t think of a lot of adjectives to use for “all digital,” but “adorably” sure af is not one of them.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Then you have Steam.

    Player2,

    You’re not stuck to only Steam on a computer, whereas you are stuck on a console

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    What the fuck are you even trying to say?

    Steam is entirely digital only.

    Player2, (edited )

    Yeah. But guess what, you can buy a disk drive. You can install another game launcher. You can even pir-[removed].

    There are inherently more options on PC than there are on a console.

    CmdrShepard,

    I think it’s a reference to it’s smaller size.

    ninjan,

    Then go “now smaller, adorable, and all digital” or something that doesn’t sound completely daft.

    LaggyKar, do games w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller
    @LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

    I hope it actually has gyros, so XBOX can finally get gyro aim. I don’t play on XBOX, but maybe support for that in XBOX controllers would make devs more inclined to support it. But the document only mentions an accelerometer.

    Also, what’s up with controllers dropping face button colors? The PS5 did the same thing.

    hikaru755, (edited )
    @hikaru755@feddit.de avatar

    Also, what’s up with controllers dropping face button colors? The PS5 did the same thing.

    From an aesthetic standpoint it just looks better^1 , and by now gaming consoles are so Mainstream that the additional accessibility the colors offer is not a good enough reason to keep them anymore.

    ^1 subjective, of course, but if you look at modern, big corporate design a lot of it is trending towards minimalism, very little use of color, etc.

    NocturnalMorning, do games w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

    So they’re sorry people didn’t like the idea? Is that the message?

    Blaiz0r,

    And “please ignore the content of the documents and instead, hey look Starfield is great right!?”

    GunnarRunnar,

    And funnily enough Starfield being Xbox/PC exclusive is an example why their hoarding is bad for gaming, and why the Activision deal shouldn't pass.

    TheEntity,

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  • GunnarRunnar, (edited )

    Why do people behave as if Starfield was the first game not released on PlayStation?

    Who is doing that? It's just blatantly obvious that it would've been released on PlayStation without Microsoft meddling and their games sell a shitload, I mean Skyrim has been chugging along over a decade now. So I'm not really sure how Starfield is irrelevant to Ms buying shit conversation.

    It's not what being an exclusive means (let not get into linguistics here, I mean strictly the gaming industry term). I agree this specific case was anticompetitive but framing it as an exclusive just weakens this point in my opinion and allows to shift the debate away from it.

    Away from what? Everyone knows what it means -- or maybe I don't, please enlighten me in that case.

    TheEntity,

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  • GunnarRunnar, (edited )

    It's more like a default platform seeing as even former PlayStation exclusives are slowly getting a PC release as well. And I did call Starfield Xbox/PC exclusive, not just Xbox.

    It's probably not the word to describe what's getting released where and stems from marketing but it's commonly used in gaming so most understand its meaning.

    LostMyRedditLogin,

    PC is another of MS’s platforms with Windows. No shit they’re ok with their games being released on it when consumers are paying over a $100 for a Windows license every few years.

    HidingCat, do games w Microsoft’s Phil Spencer says acquiring Nintendo would be ‘a career moment’

    I don't really like Nintendo's stuff that much, but really, that would be a bad outcome for the gaming industry as a whole.

    fckreddit,

    Microsoft will just turn Nintendo into another dumb acquisition and the timeless quality of the Nintendo games would be lost forever.

    UrLogicFails, do gaming w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

    I do find it a little interesting that Phil Spencer is ignoring the content of the leaks and instead just focusing on the fact the documents are out of date. I would imagine the contents of the leaks are likely still pretty close to accurate, even if plans have changed a little, as a result.

    I also wonder if Xbox will use the reaction to the leaks to determine potential changes going forward (ie: reactions to the console being all digital, reactions to the next gen console processor, etc).

    navi,
    @navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

    This was an internal email, not a PR comment.

    Jagermo,

    Ideally, you would have internal PR and crisis comms draft such a mailing, because you plan that it gets leaked. He probably saw it once to sign off on, but it was writen by comms.

    Source: this is textbook crisis pr

    NekomimiNebula,
    @NekomimiNebula@beehaw.org avatar

    You generally don’t want to confirm leaks as being true, so you’ll either not say anything about it (this was an internal memo, not a public post) or you’ll say something along the lines of “These things are subject to change and don’t reflect the final product”

    SenorBolsa,
    @SenorBolsa@beehaw.org avatar

    I also wonder if Xbox will use the reaction to the leaks to determine potential changes going forward (ie: reactions to the console being all digital, reactions to the next gen console processor, etc).

    Almost certainly, make lemonade and all that, it can be very valuable feedback it just wouldn’t have been worth telegraphing your 5 year plan.

    CaptainEffort, (edited ) do games w Microsoft addresses the huge Xbox leaks: here’s Phil Spencer’s full memo

    and even discussions about acquiring Nintendo.

    Ew wtf? We’re truly headed towards a future where Microsoft just owns everything huh?

    echo64, (edited )
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    “headed”. if it wasn’t for them being scared about the activision blizzard deal not being hand waved through like it was, there wouldn’t have been the 2020-2022 pause too. that’ll get right back on track now. Microsoft does deals for acquisitions in feb targetting june for completion normally so about then.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Imagine having specific months every year where you prepare to break and then break (if not the letter then definitely the spirit of) antitrust laws and most people either don’t know or pretend that there’s nothing wrong with it 🤬

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    June lines up with the end of fiscal quarter 2, so it kind of makes sense.

    Viking_Hippie,

    Yeah, it isn’t the logic of the timing I take issue with lol. Thanks for the reminder though 🙂

    GunnarRunnar,

    So I don't remember where but I'd heard about Microsoft wanting to buy Nintendo long time ago. The suits are always spitballing.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    They made an offer like 20 years ago and got laughed out of the room.

    MeanEYE,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    Am not sure EC would let that one slide as they really like multiple companies competing for same slice of market. That way everyone benefits. Microsoft was already kicked in the teeth for Office and browsers back in the day for trying to dominate the market.

    MossBear,

    To quote Picard, “The line must be drawn here! This far! No further!”

    woelkchen, do games w The Elder Scrolls VI will skip PS5 and isn’t coming until at least 2026
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    We as Microsoft are the bastion of cross-platform releases. Our games run on Xbox and Windows.

    dumdum666,

    I don‘t support Microsoft in any way but it is kinda funny that some PlayStation Users seem to feel personally attacked that Microsoft starts to do all the exclusivity shit that Sony has done for ages. Quit treating the whole thing as a team thing - a my team vs. that other team thing. Sony AND Microsoft are companies that will both fuck you over within the blink of an eye if it will make them money or damage the other company.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    I don‘t support Microsoft in any way but it is kinda funny that some PlayStation Users seem to feel personally attacked that Microsoft starts to do all the exclusivity shit that Sony has done for ages. Quit treating the whole thing as a team thing - a my team vs. that other team thing.

    I don’t even own a PlayStation so why should I quit anything? In fact, I’m a PC gamer running Windows. I can make my dumb jokes as often as I like and when I want to make fun of the fact that both Microsoft and Bethesda claimed before the acquisition that it was not about removing cross-platform support for Bethesda games and Microsoft also claims to “❤️ Linux”, you cannot stop me, even if you’d like to.

    I also find it hilarious that Microsoft apologists claim that “that Sony has done the same for ages” which is factually untrue. Sony hardly ever bought cross-platform games in-house for PlayStation exclusivity (maybe the would of they had enough spare money but they don’t). Sony also releases plenty of games for Microsoft platforms, including MLB The Show, Horizon, Spider-Man, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, etc. Heck, the recently announced Marathon reboot is confirmed to come to Xbox and not just PlayStation and Microsoft Windows. Much of my PC gaming in recent years was spent playing Sony games on Windows.

    Corkyskog,
    @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I bought a PS5 because my old XBone was on the fritz, and the series x wasn’t available at the time… plus hardware failure from the Xbone made me lean towards Sony anyway. Hard-core console gamers also helped push me into it as well… “who cares about Halo, you will be able to play all the good games on either console”.

    I have no team, and now I kind of regret even buying a console at all, it’s only real feature for me is it has a fast boot up time lol. Every other article about a new game seems to be a kick in the nuts to console owners.

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Every other article about a new game seems to be a kick in the nuts to console owners.

    Get a Steam Deck and every game release is a thrill ride of will the game run fine.

    (Honestly, I love my Deck and stopped playing most AAA games because they annoy the fuck out of me with padding for length and ads for DLC and such.)

    Corkyskog,
    @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

    What’s the benefit of Steam deck vs something like Ally ROG? Genuine question, I have no horse in the race. (I can’t even find as much time as I wished to game in my free time at home, I am definitely not going to spend book reading time on subpar gaming)

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Ease of use. Windows on such a small screen is not much fun. For more details, look up some of the plenty comparisons on YouTube.

    LoamImprovement, do gaming w The Elder Scrolls VI will skip PS5 and isn’t coming until at least 2026

    Oh goddamnit, another creation engine game?!

    falsem,

    We used to blame the Bethesda jank on their last engine, Game ryo. Safe to say that it's not the engine at this point.

    ag_roberston_author,
    !deleted4201 avatar

    Creation Engine is based on Gamebryo.

    AnonTwo,

    Then making a new engine won't fix the problem, because it'll just be based off creation engine.

    Kolanaki, (edited )
    !deleted6508 avatar

    They don’t need to make one; they can use one of the many engines that already exist and can do everything their games try to do, but with far less jank. Unless they somehow manage to insert it in regardless, which I would not put past them.

    millie,

    Why would a company with multiple blockbuster franchises completely scrap the engine they’re made in?

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,
    @WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.fmhy.net avatar

    Because the engine is behind the standard set by decade out games

    millie,

    Weird that they keep hitting the ball out of the park.

    BigBananaDealer,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    imagine a bethesda game releasing with a worse modding scene than their last game. people would riot

    millie,

    So in other words, they’ve found a viable business model that incentivizes the next generation of developers to get their asses into gear?

    Hmm… I’m not seeing the down side.

    BigBananaDealer,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    a lot of skyrim modders worked on starfield

    millie,

    Yeah, exactly. They’ve created a viable ecosystem for themselves. They have a highly moddable engine and they tend to leave a lot of abandoned code in the game that modders find and make use of. People eat it up and they use it as a starting point to get into development.

    I’m on exactly that track right now. For me it’s been all about very open ended kinda buggy games that you can mod the hell out of. Wanting to change or tweak a little something here and there leads to wanting to implement more elaborate ideas. Eventually it starts looking appealing to make something of your own, or to make a bigger contribution to other projects. Personally, I don’t really want to work for a big company (or anyone other than myself), but a modding portfolio can certainly be a foot in the door.

    My first mod for a game was a thing to shut up the Longs in Fallout 4. Super simple, literally just broke the link to their idle audio files. That was ages ago, and my own journey has been more related to getting DayZ to do what I want and now using Conan to further explore game design and more involved elaborate systems, but Bethesda was still that first step.

    They’re not perfect, and their IP in some cases has certainly been watered down a little, but they make great games and have a workable business model that isn’t as toxic as some others. They’ve done a good job fostering creativity and innovation.

    I don’t really get the complaints by people who’ve never made anything even remotely approaching a Fallout or an Elder Scrolls acting like the developers are trash and they know better. Let’s see your blockbuster open world rpg.

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,
    @WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.fmhy.net avatar

    Its because they have a massive mainstream audience, like people who buy Madden and FIFA every year

    interolivary,
    !deleted5791 avatar

    Ah yes, it must be the dirty normies playing Bethesda games, no True Gamer would ever buy them

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,
    @WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.fmhy.net avatar

    No? What I mean is they have a massive more casual audience that doesn’t play a lot of games to compare it to and this is true. Yes most people who regularly play games can enjoy Bethesda games too but they don’t owe their success to that audience cause if they did they would stop selling reskinned skyrim.

    sickday,
    @sickday@kbin.social avatar

    Or they can keep using the same engine with the same issues because gamers will definitely buy their next title en-masse despite the previously mentioned issues. Eg. Starfield

    KairuByte,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    To be fair, the engine has been overhauled since the original CE. So, while it’s not “new” it’s also not “the same engine.”

    barsoap,

    They tend to do that by tacking on new jank without removing (much) of the old stuff, though, presumably because they have base assets and scripts that they’re constantly re-using. Or, differently put: As long as Papyrus will still be in the thing I seriously doubt they’re giving any thought to technical debt. Already in Skyrim people rather used the UI to script stuff (because that’s Flash and ActionScript is at least remotely sane and fast) but ultimately it’s SKSE (that is, native dlls) for anything that isn’t a lag fest.

    It’s not so much that CreationEngine is easy to mod, it’s that it’s what a gigantic community of modders are used to and have developed tooling for (you can get by with little to no use of CreationKit which is an abomination all on its own). Stockholm Syndrome at its finest or we’d have seen much more content for RedEngine which is far technically superior (and yet CDPR is abandoning it for Unreal).

    phuntis, (edited )
    @phuntis@sopuli.xyz avatar

    a wholly new engine would almost certainly break mods or atleast make them harder to make as janky as creation engine can be it’s the best engine for modding there is and bethesda games absolutely need modding and not just cause the glitches

    Squirrel,
    @Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar

    I’m out of breath from reading this.

    phuntis,
    @phuntis@sopuli.xyz avatar

    then breathe

    Erk,

    A new engine would just have to have a new mod API. Plenty of engines have mod APIs. Nothing’s really stopping them, but they really love driving creation engine onward for some reason.

    phuntis,
    @phuntis@sopuli.xyz avatar

    bethesda is not making a whole new engine from scratch that just isn’t happening if they switched engine it’d probably just be to a licensed engine like unreal and that sucks for mod support the reality isn’t creation engine vs a from scratch in house engine that supports modding just as well but with less jank it’s creation engine vs unreal or something else maybe but not in house and there’s no other engine out there that currently exists that’s as good for modding

    fox_the_apprentice,

    Please consider using punctuation!

    MJBrune,

    The engine is only half of the issue. Fallout New Vegas is far better than any other in the series. While it still has the engine bugs, it also does what it needs to and does that better games can be made than starfield with the engine stack they have. They are just design limited due to their business choices. Not solely their engine but their design is clearly lacking as well.

    Praxis_Jack, do games w Microsoft documents leak new Bethesda games, including an Oblivion remaster
    @Praxis_Jack@lemmy.film avatar

    I heard the rumor of oblivion remaster but the only thought I had was why not Morrowind? As someone who’s only heard of how good it is but never played im curious cause it seems like aside from Skyrim Morrowind was everyone’s favorite elder scrolls

    raptir,

    Honestly there are so many great mods for Morrowind that it doesn’t need a remaster. You can get it looking pretty decent.

    hedgehog,

    Are there any mods that add voiceovers to dialog?

    GreenSkree, (edited )
    @GreenSkree@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, but it only works with the original client. Doesn’t appear to work with OpenMW, yet, which is superior in many ways now.

    exscape,
    @exscape@kbin.social avatar

    Skyblivion and Skywind are a thing. Hopefully they'll be released at some point too though...

    mindbleach,

    Especially since Oblivion seems to work fine on modern Xboxen. Back on reddit, all the Morrowind first-timers were using OpenMW, and all the Oblivion first-timers were playing on console somehow.

    mindbleach, do games w Microsoft’s Phil Spencer says acquiring Nintendo would be ‘a career moment’

    Shatter this corporation.

    Rand0mA, do games w Microsoft’s Phil Spencer says acquiring Nintendo would be ‘a career moment’

    Well that’s a horrible thought for the gaming industry. Nintendo and Valve… and if they don’t sell the companies, they will buy majority stock, presumably for seats on the board, and buy it anyway.

    Can’t they keep their fucking greedy mitts to themselves. Conglomerate mega corp shit is really starting to fuck me off.

    Summzashi, do games w Microsoft documents leak new Bethesda games, including an Oblivion remaster

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  • gothicdecadence, (edited )

    Guarantee Skyblivion will have way more love and thought put into it, hopefully it can fully release

    WheeGeetheCat, do games w Meta is shutting down three Oculus games without explanation
    @WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I freaking hate that Zuk got Oculus. Made my first VR helmet freaking worthless. Forced a facebook account to play my games I already bought.

    Just went ahead and shelled out for the Index after that, cause at least you know Gabe isn’t fucking around.

    joyjoy, do games w Microsoft documents leak new Bethesda games, including an Oblivion remaster

    They better not fix any bugs in that Fallout 3 remaster.

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    They’ll just introduce new, less interesting bugs.

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