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smeg, do games w After 11 years, Xbox One emulators are finally coming to PC - but they're not actually using emulation at all

The rest of the article is mildly interesting, but if you just took the bait from the headline:

On a technical level, Xbox One is essentially a PC using a heavily modified version of Windows, and this software simply translates native Xbox applications into a form that can run on standard Windows PCs

NikkiDimes,

So…software emulation…kinda. I guess translation technically. Whatever lol.

stardust, do games w After 11 years, Xbox One emulators are finally coming to PC - but they're not actually using emulation at all

Hopefully I’ll get to finally play Gears of War 2.

Blxter,
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Yes been wanting to play the og gears again for years now on PC I want a gears style MCC so bad

ABCDE,

Isn’t it all on game pass?

Blxter,
!deleted4407 avatar

Maybe (probably) but I don’t want to play it via gamepass

ABCDE,
Blxter,
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I actually didn’t know the first game was there never used or looked at the Xbox store

Blackmist,

That’s already out isn’t it? Remastered and everything.

Blxter,
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The first is apparently remastered on the Xbox store for PC I had no idea tbh never used the Xbox store on PC.

mox, do games w After 11 years, Xbox One emulators are finally coming to PC - but they're not actually using emulation at all

chuckle

Author apparently thinks hardware emulation is the only kind of emulation.

ms_lane,

Wine is not an Emulator is not an emulator.

caseyweederman,

Gnu’s Not Unix Image Manipulation Program

Redjard,
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woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

API wrappers are not emulators.

mox, (edited )

Anything that emulates something else is an emulator. That something else could be hardware, or runtime behavior, or services, or a combination thereof. (It could even be a turtle, although we’re talking about computers in this case.)

Wine is an interesting example despite that silly backronym that was abandoned years ago, or perhaps because of it. It not only translates system and API calls, but also provides Windows work-alike services and copies Windows runtime behavior, including undocumented behavior. If it were just an API wrapper or “translation layer”, a lot of its functionality wouldn’t work.

The shape of a business envelope might not be an equilateral rectangle, but it is still a rectangle.

But go ahead and believe what you want. I’m not looking for an argument.

intensely_human, do games w After 11 years, Xbox One emulators are finally coming to PC - but they're not actually using emulation at all

They are, however, accomplishing the same thing as emulators, just with a different strategy.

yamanii,
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And I feel the hardware requirements end up way lower, when I had a bad PC I could play Burnout Revenge at full speed on the 360 emulator, but the PS2 version ran like a turtle.

tiddy,

A screwdriver can be a hammer if you’re determined enough

Tattorack, do games w After 11 years, Xbox One emulators are finally coming to PC - but they're not actually using emulation at all
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Well, of course not, because Wine Is Not an Emulator. Considering it’s called XWine1, would there be a Linux version too?

ATDA,

I think that’s called proton (jokes aside yes I know steam wouldn’t do that for obvious legal implications.)

yamanii, do games w After 11 years, Xbox One emulators are finally coming to PC - but they're not actually using emulation at all
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t wait to play the proper Forza Horizon 2, and Crash Team Racing, curse you Activision for not bringing this one to PC!

MazonnaCara89,
@MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t know which one of the ctr games you are referring too, but you might be interested about this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwSkmAp7f8, there is an effort from ctr community to port the ps1 game on pc

Katana314, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched

Easy to forget both Sony and Microsoft had nothing to do with gaming previously. Even MS had terrible inroads in spite of games for PC being written in DirectX.

I felt like Amazon and Google had pretty good chances. It was only due to terrible direction both managed to screw it up.

frezik, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched

Given the contemporary examples, they weren’t wrong to think so. Everyone was trying to make a console in the 16/32-bit era.

  • PC Engine/Turbografx
  • Phillips CD-i (only sorta a console)
  • Atari Jaguar
  • Neo Geo
  • Amiga CD

Some of these are better than others–I’m fond of the PC Engine–but none can be called successful. Neo Geo is somewhat of an exception because it was used as arcade hardware. Some others here are the butt of jokes. There’s also a bunch of Japanese consoles around this time that go nowhere, and are little more than fodder for retro gaming YouTube channels.

Sony took a big gamble and won.

Mercuri,

Sega Saturn and Dreamcast also probably factored in. They weren’t nearly as successful as the Genesis. With even established brands floundering it’s no wonder people didn’t think the Playstation would work.

TopRamenBinLaden,

Not really. Just Sega CD. The PlayStation and the Saturn both came out in 1994 so they were directly competing with each other. The Dreamcast didn’t come out until 1998, after the PlayStation was already successful.

Mercuri,

Ah, yup. You are correct. For some reason I thought they came before.

jordanlund, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Gamers did too… Sony’s track record prior to the PS1 wasn’t great:

www.gamesdatabase.org/list.aspx?publisher=sony_co…

Furbag, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched

Hard to blame them for thinking that at the time. CD-based consoles had a very rough start in that era, but the PS1 was probably the first actual hardware success that used the CD exclusively as it’s medium. Nintendo had pushed cartridges to their absolute limit with the technology they had, so it was only a matter of time before someone ended up succeeding where others failed.

GooberEar, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched

As a kid, by the time I started hearing about the system via video game magazines, which were kind of like miniature websites but printed on paper and then distributed via mail and stores, I was convinced it would be the next big thing. By the time it was launched, I knew it was going to be the new top dog in the industry. When I finally got my hands on one, it was (pardon the pun) game changing for me.

The system definitely had its flaws, but it was an evolutionary step up and order of magnitude bigger than anything I’d ever experienced before.

And go figure, it was the last system I owned before I stepped away from the gaming hobby for nearly 2 decades. Life, uh, got in the way.

bjoern_tantau, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched
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I mean, Nintendo believed in them, until that failed.

TachyonTele,

That was because Nintendo went behind Sonys back on the deal. They were trying to eat both pies.

altima_neo, (edited )
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But also because Sony was trying to claim a bigger slice of the pie from CD game sales. It’s both companies being shitty.

PunchingWood,

Sony came up with the idea of the disc drive, it only made sense them wanting more profit from the part they designed. It was just a disgusting move by Nintendo to go behind their backs and close a deal with another company, while not telling Sony.

Glitch, do games w "The father of PlayStation" says everyone at Sony thought the PS1 would fail when it was first pitched

Feels like they want it to fail sometimes

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think that’s true with how much support they give to their first party titles. I mean, their console exclusives are top-tier.

SpaceNoodle,

They’re no Microsoft …

Mwa, do games w After 350,000 signatures in an EU consumer rights campaign, Ubisoft is adding offline modes to The Crew games - but not the now-dead original

this is why i aint getting the crew 2 its discounted but NEVER

anonymous111, do games w After 350,000 signatures in an EU consumer rights campaign, Ubisoft is adding offline modes to The Crew games - but not the now-dead original

I thought I’d see this and was surprised not to.

Please proselytize your EU brethren. Signing this Citizen’s Initiative is the best chance to fix the dead games issue globally.

www.stopkillinggames.com

The guy behind it has a lot of videos explaining the logic. Here is the short version (1 min vid):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGfqef-IqQ

Call to arms!

aksdb,

While I like and appreciate the campaign, the issue IMO is bigger. IoT devices for example even have environmental impact when services behind them get discontinued.

I would therefore like a more general rule: whenever a product is discontinued for whatever reason, all necessary documents, sources, etc need to be released to allow third parties to take over maintenance (that also includes schematics for hardware repairs).

AnarchistArtificer,

I think many people who are responsible for pushing the campaign forward would agree it’s a much bigger issue. It’s just that the bigger issue is big enough that there are multiple fronts one could fight on, and this is a politically useful opportunity to push forward. A victory from this campaign will be unlikely to lead to the larger developments without more of a fight, because achieving the general rule will take a few instances of arguing the specific case.

For now, I’m excited to see where this leads, even if the answer might be “nowhere”

anonymous111,

Remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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