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PolandIsAStateOfMind, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'
@PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

Joke on him, often game gets delayed under this exact pretext and it suck anyway.

ReakDuck,

I think it becomes a mixture of too early and delaying.

Some games clearly need another year to finish but they delay it for half a year and wont allow more for themselves

socialpankakemix, do games w 'For fun and challenge:' The team that ported Jak and Daxter to PC has done the same for Jak 2

I installed the first one but never got around to paying it cause I beat the game so many times but it’s been forever since I played jak 2 or 3 so I’m much more interested in this.

Pirky,
@Pirky@lemmy.world avatar

I played through the first one on OpenGOAL a few weeks ago and it was great. It even supports 1440p ultrawide. Would recommend.

Ab_intra, do games w 'For fun and challenge:' The team that ported Jak and Daxter to PC has done the same for Jak 2
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

Now I know what I’m going to play 😁

ManuelC, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

The real question is… Can indie games publishers afford the delay of a game?

Redsamuraiman,

Yes. If I can wait for the Dune movie in February, video game nerds can also wait.

It’s up to the companies to coast and ration their resources accordingly.

spectre,

Chet Falizek, a dev who led L4D and a couple other games at valve talks about this a lot on TikTok, now that he’s running an indie studio. He’s a cool guy, would fit in on .ml or something for sure.

sudoku,

Valve was a completely new company then. They weren’t going indie, but Sierra didn’t pay them for the remake of Half-Life. In the documentary they talk about financing it by creating Half-Life: Day One.

Sylvartas,

Implying they’re not passing on whatever that “costs” them to the studio…

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Usually publishers have multiple products in development simultaneously with varying degrees of investment, the more money invested into a studio to develop a game the more urgent they want it finished.

iegod,

Depends on the circumstances. Small self funded team, part time? Can probably delay indefinitely.

dangblingus,

Generally they would fare better than AAA studios who are beholden to their publisher to release no matter what.

TheAnonymouseJoker, (edited ) do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Some basic things to note, that may or may not be obvious.

  • Producers and shareholders are the ones still thinking gaming audience can be milked at the same rate as the past few decades.
  • The alternative to current model of game launch + DLCs/features added over the year is that the game is not launched at all until ready and full featured.
  • Gamer audience is privileged, consumerist and impatient. And most of the audience is either autistic or neurodivergent with impulsive and/or compulsive disorders, and have unstable hyperfocus and obsession issues.

Edit: “most” people are not but a significant number of people are. That was overestimated. Our generation’s psychological patterns differ from the ones before that did not play these modern and/or 3D games.

Thavron,
@Thavron@lemmy.ca avatar

And most of the audience is either autistic or neurodivergent with impulsive and/or compulsive disorders, and have unstable hyperfocus and obsession issues.

Really? Most of the audience?

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Seriously this take is fucked up. Let’s put gamers in a bucket of mental cases because they like to play Tetris lol

TheAnonymouseJoker,

muh tetris = mental cases reductionism lets laff

You have no clue how ADHD or other neurological disorders get accelerated due to video games of various kinds. Many other conditions like epilepsy, vertigo also get accelerated or triggered.

whoisearth,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Let’s dig that hole deeper my dude!

TheAnonymouseJoker,

A significant amount of the audience is. “Most” probably is an overestimation and a bit sensational. I am neurodivergent, am ex-pro gamer and I have spent enough time gaming as a teen to know the thought processes gamers go through. Remember, we are the first generation to have played these modern games that were not just 8-bit.

PoliticalAgitator, (edited )
  • The alternative to current model of game launch + DLCs/features added over the year is that the game is not launched at all until ready and full featured.

I haven’t seen significant numbers of people complaining that their drip feed of content isn’t coming fast enough. I’ve seen people complaining about spending a non-trivial amount of money on a visibly broken game that clearly had plenty of developer resources for microtransactions and loot boxes.

Gamer audience is privileged, consumerist and impatient. And most of the audience is either autistic or neurodivergent with impulsive and/or compulsive disorders, and have unstable hyperfocus and obsession issues.

Being a game developer had its moments but was still easily the worst job I’ve ever had, predominantly due to the community.

That said, I still wouldn’t go diagnosing millions of people with some bullshit I just made up.

UlyssesT, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Counterpoint: Star Citizen.

I’m not being snarky there. If there are no deadlines and unlimited feature creep, you get Star Citizen. Or rather, you never get Star Citizen except as a janky hyper-monetized pre-alpha.

erwan,

Yes, landing is difficult.

There is delaying to release a higher quality product and delaying while having features creep… Not the same thing.

D3FNC,

Nah star citizen was a scam first, game second. If it ever produces a game it will have been purely incidental to continuing to run the scam and milk those whales

Tankiedesantski,

I kind of believe Chris Roberts himself is just an overambitious perfectionist. He pulled the same kind of bullshit with Freelancer, which only released because Microsoft put its foot down.

I can also believe that a lot of the top people around him are grifters feeding his ambition and perfectionism to keep the gravy train running.

Either way, they got my Kickstarter money so the only entertainment I’ll ever get from that game is opining about it like I know anything.

UlyssesT,

That’s my take too, though “overambitious perfectionist” still sounds too flattering for what a bumbling narcissist he is.

He even put himself directly into the fiction’s lore as my-hero but bigger.

starcitizen.tools/Chris_Roberts_(lore)

Treeniks, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

tbf that’s a lot easier to say when you’re the president of one of the richest companies in the industry. I don’t disagree, but not everybody has the resources to just keep developing forever, and that’s easy to forget too.

Seudo,

Fun Pimps were a smaller company and they have been developing 7 Days since my gramps was in nappies!

cradac,

In the documentary this quote is from he said that about thr development of HL1. To be fair the devs themselves said they voluntairily crunched quite a bit and had some time constraints at the end of the game.

FooBarrington,

But he’s also president of one of the richest companies in the industry because he always said this.

And while your point is valid for smaller studios, it feels like it’s usually used by the big ones that do have the resources, but would rather give more money to investors.

Adori,
@Adori@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, no one has a problem with small indie groups doing early access, aka terraria, rimworld, factorio, minecraft. It’s about keeping expectations in check and having a good fun base game.

captainlezbian,

Rogue Legacy 2 had a great early access in part because it was regular releases with a lot of communication and they set great expectations for it. I knew what I got myself into and had a blast trying each new area as it came out.

AndrasKrigare,

The context for this was them deciding to take the time to finish the game properly even if they were no longer going to get paid to do it (the publisher would stop funding).

youtu.be/TbZ3HzvFEto?si=7g4Dylj_zaAeeos_?t=28m28s

fanbois,

It’s often enough AAA with tons of money that force insane crunch to hit a release date and still have buggy, uncompleted games.

c0mbatbag3l, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

However, delay also doesn’t mean a better product. It’s possible for a game to be delayed a ton, and then still really suck.

Delay doesn’t equal good. DN: Forever and Aliens: Colonial Marines made that clear.

erwan,

Still better than if they released the same game earlier. Unless of course they kept adding features or content.

CheeseNoodle,

Didn’t colonial marine turn out to actually have really good AI that totally changed the game feel that had been broken by a single misplaced semi-colon or something?

Defaced,

polygon.com/…/aliens-colonial-marines-fixing-code… yep, a code typo broke the alien AI. Unfortunately for that game though no amount of delays could’ve helped it, there were many more problems besides the AI. The AI was just the biggest problem.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Well the AI went from “literally dogshit, you can run past them without a second thought” to “oh you have to fight them now.”

Not sure how good it is in the grand scheme, but at least the update fixed their brokenness and made the game playable.

GrapesOfAss, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Is Gabe slowly turning into a wizard

ADHDefy,
@ADHDefy@kbin.social avatar

Gabe has remained a wizard through all of time

Evotech,

I’m pretty sure he is Santa

erwan,

If he is then I guess nobody ever put Half Life 3 on their Christmas list

grey,
@grey@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I hope so.

reverendsteveii,

wizards are turning into Gaben as he echoes across eternity. It seems like he’s turning into a wizard, but that’s because we can only see behind us in time.

cmhe, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Game developers seem to be very afraid to change core features or the story of the game in a major way (even if the actual work would not be too extensive) after release. But there are enough examples where games improved a lot after release.

Sure, the initial impression of the game might be ruined, but that is more a consequence for the producers that most often where responsible for the rushed release, than for the gamers or developers, of the game is fixed afterwards.

echo64, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Game delays are okay, but let’s maybe have a conversation about why valve is incapable of producing the kind of content it used to. Half-life 3 isn’t “delayed”, it’s not happening because of internal reasons.

the_tab_key,

Half life 3 had never been announced to be in development. It’s not delayed, late, on-time, or anything else for us except a hope it might eventually come out.

gnuplusmatt,

Half-life alyx was as good as any other half life content they’ve produced

TheBananaKing, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Me disappoint you long time

SignorPao, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

I mean, Miyamoto said pretty much the same thing long ago. Glad to see Gaben being on the same wavelength.

ilinamorato,

There’s no way he didn’t know. You don’t exist in that industry and not know.

Treeniks,
SignorPao,

Wow, I stand corrected. Neat trivia. In that case Gabe simply stated an idea that has been around the industry for a very long time.

lobut, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'

Makes me think of old school Blizzard. Rest in peace.

I always thought that Miyamoto quote was real too!

Ghostalmedia, do gaming w Gabe Newell on why game delays are okay: 'Late is just for a little while. Suck is forever.'
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

“Suck is forever”

That’s some Gen X Yoda shit.

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