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cod, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now
@cod@lemmy.world avatar

This would be a great time to promote !patientgamers

jnod4,

JOINED, any more ways to find sublemmings idk what are these called lol

cod,
@cod@lemmy.world avatar

!newcommunities is a great place to discover new communities. As for big ones that already exist I’m sure there’s probably a list of big communities out there somewhere, otherwise browsing by All > Top 6 Hours or All > Hot will give you a good mix of everything. Then you can add communities you like from there

Edit: also lots of communities will shout out other communities in their sidebars. Check those too

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m not patient, I’m just broke.

Croquette,

It forces you to be patient. You fit the bill

afronaut, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

That reminds me— I gotta do another Fallout: New Vegas run.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Are you familiar with the A Tale of Two Worlds mod, which inserts Fallout 3 into Fallout: New Vegas to make them one giant game? If not, it’s a way to add some new life to the thing.

afronaut,

Yes, actually that was my intended next run! I just gotta remember how to set up everything.

Kolanaki, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I don’t even know what the newest game I even own is… Helldivers 2? Except for Elden Ring and it’s DLC, I haven’t bought anything close to release for years. HD2 came out last year and I bought it last week.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

Yeah, I’ve lost track myself. I just follow feeds that alert of me free deals.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I actually learned that I can’t even sort my Steam library by release date because of this thread. Otherwise I would actually know lol

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Baldur’s Gate 3 and Elden Ring are the last 2 AAA games I bought close to launch for full price. Other than that, I picked up Hades 2 in early access. The rest of my library is all stuff that I bought on sale.

I do have Monster Hunter and Avowed on my wishlist but I think I’m going to be patient. If I do pull the trigger, it would probably be for Avowed because I want more Obsidian games. On a related note Grounded is $20 on Steam right now so I stopped that up even though I beat it back when I had Game Pass.

kiwifoxtrot,
@kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world avatar

BG3 isn’t an AAA title. Larian is an indie studio.

lapping6596,

Huh, I thought of them as AA. I get indie means independent which they are, but they’re a studio with multiple successful releases even before bg3.

TheLowestStone,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Based on the size of the company and the budget for the game I’d at least call it a AA game. My real point is I paid full price for it and have absolutely no regrets.

doingthestuff, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

I’m playing Fallout 4 right now. It’s not the only game I play by any means. Too many new games are overly focused on graphics or monetization. I’m always trying new games and the better ones often don’t have the best graphics. We want 2010 gameplay. Hell, I’ll still play Unreal Tournament 1999 GOTY edition, but older games usually need resolution and texture upgrade mods. Fortunately a lot of great old games actually get them.

TrojanRoomCoffeePot, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now
@TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world avatar

launches Baldur’s Gate.exe♪♫ “Brave, brave Sir Garrick, Sir Garrick led the way. Brave, brave Sir Garrick, Sir Garrick ran away.” ♪♫

jjjalljs, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

I find it kind of funny how games are becoming more mainstream, but every once in a while I still meet people that are like “games are a waste of time”. But then again I guess people said that about movies and tv and still do sometimes.

Also I’ve been playing guild wars 2 again. Base game is like 10 years old but it’s still fun

afronaut,

I think the people who often say this feel some personal guilt for how much time they feel they’ve wasted instead of doing whatever it is in life they have yet to achieve. It’s a matter of perspective.

arotrios, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now
@arotrios@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, most new games just fucking suck. They’re too expensive, often don’t run properly at launch even on excellent hardware, and those that don’t have micro-transactions built-in require you to purchase DLC to get the whole game.

On the other hand, the older titles almost always run well on my machine, have a ton of community DLC, and in general are just designed better because they were built to bring the player as much fun as possible, not to extract as much money as possible.

Plus, the quality content generated from 2005 - 2015 represents some of the best ever, and can provide hundreds of hours of enjoyment before you even get into the 2010s. Why waste money on something that may not work, and that I likely won’t enjoy as much as the games I bought 10 years ago?

It’s why I usually wait at least a year after release to consider whether or not I’m going to buy a title.

Abnorc,

I don’t know if I agree about new games. This is a bit of a problem with some AAA games though. The indie game scene is still thriving as far as I can tell, in some genres more than others. (E.g now is a great time to be into FPS games.)

A good old game can occupy you for many hours though, and it’s hard to make good games period. I’m not surprised that a few older games dominate the market.

GuyFleegman,

New AAA games suck.

I either play indies or old AAA games. It all went to shit around the beginning of the PS4/X1 era, so yeah, my upper bound is about 2013.

neon_nova,

I tend to agree with you, I think the downfall started in the ps3 era since that’s when online was in every console. I understand your idea that it was bad in ps4 era since devs had the time to figure out how to makes things worse due to the ability to use the internet to sell things/deliver patches.

ColeSloth,

For sure, and my backlog is huge. I have tons to still play. I’m just now getting around to gta5 on my steam deck. I also just finished re-playing the original ff7 with some mods that made it look way nicer than back when I played it on my ps1 in the 90’s. I could go another 5 years without catching up to 2020 if I wanted to.

OccultIconoclast,

What’s your opinion on Dome Keeper?

mohab,

Amen. I also have a ton of issues with contemporary game design—padding playtime with procedural generation, prioritizing graphics, world size, or narrative over gameplay… etc.

Nowadays, I feel as if every game tries to compete for "most game" while lacking cohesion and polished ideas.

And to top it off: non-optimized game size. I'm sorry—I don't care if your game is $2.99, I'm not downloading 80GBs just to try a game I may refund an hour later.

CallateCoyote,
@CallateCoyote@lemmy.world avatar

Totally. Even with good new games, best to wait until they are cheap and completely stable. The impatience to play something the day it releases hasn’t been a thing for me since like 2010… which I agree with you were just generally better, more exciting times for the medium.

M137, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

When people found out PhysX doesn’t work on the new Nvidia cards I saw several people here on Lemmy say that it doesn’t matter because almost no one plays older games. I seriously don’t understand how anyone could think that, it’s astoundingly stupid and ignorant.

Aggravationstation, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

11.35% of the human population.

Nino477, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

There are just so many good games out there. No time to play them all. Also i think epic free games and this prime free game stuff contributed to it. I just started playing bioshock bc of it. Also on pc it feels so good to play an old game and just crank up every setting to max, 4k, install some mods, no ai upscaling but msaa 8x and not having to worry about performance even on mid range PCs. I genuinely prefer the graphics of older games since for me image clarity is much more important than how many polygons a gun has or how the puddle of water reflects light. Like even the new unreal engine 5 games cannot run maxxed out on a 5090 in 4k without upscaling. They only look good in trailers.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

!patientgamers might be of interest, if you don’t follow it.

But yeah…there are a lot of perks to playing older games:

  • Due to the ubiquity of Internet access today, a lot of games get post-release patches, and ship in a not-entirely-polished state. You wait a few years, you get a game that’s actually finished.
  • There have been wikis, guides, and sometimes mods created.
  • The games that people are still playing are the ones that have stood the test of time, so it’s kinda easy to pick out good ones.
  • If a 3D game supports a higher framerate — and many don’t, due to things like physics running at a fixed frequency — on modern, high-refresh-rate monitors, 3D games can be pleasantly smooth.

There are some downsides, though:

  • With multiplayer-oriented games, the community can have moved on, rendering the game not very playable.
  • The game may not leverage your hardware very well. You may have an 86 bazillion core processor, and especially older games are likely to be using one of them. I have a couple of games I like, like Oxygen Not Included, that really don’t use multiple cores well…and I’d guess that a similar game released in 2025 likely would.
HK65,

Due to the ubiquity of Internet access today, a lot of games get post-release patches, and ship in a not-entirely-polished state. You wait a few years, you get a game that’s actually finished.

And also, 60 EUR for a single game is a price at least I am not willing to pay for the average game, so in addition to getting a better game, I also get a cheaper one.

There is stuff worth paying that much out there, but it’s not Call of Duty Black Ops Eleventeen

Level9831, (edited )

Black ops 6 is so bad IMHO. It takes forever to boot up the game and then hits you with the “update available, quit & restart”. Then waiting another 5 mins to download the update, then another couple mins to reach the main menu again. Oh and what was the actual update? To hit me with an advertisement video of season whatever…with new purchases for dumb costumes etc. Like c’mon just let me play the damn game already! When Im finally in a match the gameplay feels rigged…like I’m playing slots in Vegas than an actual video game. The respawns appearing out of nowhere. I honestly believe what I’m seeing on my screen is not what the other player is seeing. Its like these game designers purposely made this game based on an algorithm rather than setting game rules and allowing the players to compete based on skill. Maybe I’m way off on this (and am just a terrible cod player lol) but would like to hear other people’s opinion on this.

all the advertisements, constantly wanting me to spend more money when the game was already expensive to begin with. The game play as described as above. Also the perks/tiers suck. Makes for a very unenjoyable experience. The game is just not fun.

HK65,

We’re at Black Ops 6 already? They made 6 of them? Are there other Call of Duty games as well since? I think the last I played was Infinite Warfare, I think I have WWII in my library unplayed.

I kinda lost track of the AAA treadmill.

Paradachshund,

I actually really have enjoyed the game itself but you aren’t fucking kidding about the rest of it. It’s truly insane how much friction there is between deciding to play and getting into a lobby.

Nelots,

I will say, the zombies mode is the best version in many years. For the low price of $0 through gamepass (which I get for free through an MS Rewards farming script), I can’t complain too much about it. But I wish they would just release a standalone zombies game at some point, it’s literally the only thing I like about cod and would gladly actually buy it (assuming it isn’t ass, which is like 50/50 with cod lol).

Nelots,

Funny enough, black ops 2, a game from 2012, is still listed at full price at $60—or $100 if you want the DLC—online. On the other hand, the current black ops 6 only costs $70 and new content is free. Admittedly, 2 was a far better game in just about every regard from what I know. But the fact that a modern game is $30 cheaper than a 12 year old game is fucking insane. Activision is so bad with this shit.

BigDaddySlim,

I genuinely prefer the graphics of older games…

This is because a lot of older games were going for an artistic style, the graphical fidelity of today’s games was too far out of reach. BioShock is a perfect example because of its beautiful art direction.

AAA games used to have character to them, now every person has to have 1200 individually rendered pores and a remaster every few years to make it look more realistic (cough cough The Last of Us)

Nino477,

This is because a lot of older games were going for an artistic style>

BioShock is a perfect example because of its beautiful art direction. >

I totally agree with you. Another good example is Alice: Madness Returns. Just booted it up for the first time yesterday and it looks so good, pleasing in a way.

nocklobster, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

Where my Civ 6 people at?! Wooo!

OutlierBlue,

Civ4 is the best Civ.

daddy32,

I saw a stat on Civ VI steam page today that 45 000 people were playing it at that moment. That counts for something!

SplashJackson,

UnCiv yo

FlashMobOfOne, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It’s wild how good the cheap games are these days. I’m 30 hours into playing Noita, have hundreds of hours in Vampire Survivor.

And I got about 15 hours into Dragon Age: Veilguard before it occurred to me I could crack open the Dragon Age Origins Ultimate Edition and actually have an enjoyable experience.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I’m 30 hours into playing Noita

I kind of want more there. There isn’t DLC, and there aren’t clones.

I mean, yes, the game is large and very replayable, and I have a blast with it…but it’s also kind of the only option for that gameplay.

I also play it modded with health regeneration, because the difficulty level on the vanilla game is very high, and encourages very cautious play.

FlashMobOfOne,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

I would suggest trying Caveblazers, as it’s similar, but it’s more barebones and (I think) significantly harder.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Caveblazers

Thanks, purchased.

CalipherJones, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

New games are steaming piles of shit most of the time nowadays.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Old games were also typically steaming piles of shit. It’s just that the ones people still remember are the worthwhile ones, because the bad ones have gone into the dustbin of history.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not.

There were so many bad platformers for the Super Nintendo, but nobody is ever going to go back and play those or dredge them up.

CalipherJones,

Yeah that’s a good point. As a kid I felt like when I bought a game it’d at least be complete, but there were plenty of terrible games back then too.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Yeah, I’ll grant the completeness point. Internet access everywhere has kind of lessened what it means to “release”.

dan1101, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

The most expensive game I’ve bought recently is Mechwarrior 5 Mercenaries, which came out 4 years ago.

orbitz,

With different mods each playthrough can be quite different too. That’s why easily modable games are awesome for their price. Of course I just like being in a big shooty mech to blow stuff up so may be biased on that one in particular.

Evil_Shrubbery, do games w PC gamers spend 92% of their time on older games, oh and there are apparently 908 million of us now

900 million population is more than enough.
(And that much better if they are all gamers :))

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