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melpomenesclevage, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 show that the future of RPGs is in games way more ambitious, weird and unexpected than anything Bethesda and Bioware have to offer

I concur; we need more of this new breed of aggressively strange RPG’s, like earthbound/mother, planescape:torment, and morrowind.

ICastFist,
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The freedom that Morrowind gives you has never been matched by other Bethesda titles. I think the only path that’s blocked to the player is joining the Sixth House, but at least you can kill Vivec before confronting Dagoth Ur

I can’t speak for Daggerfall’s freedom as I haven’t really delved into it, but I know it has 6 different endings depending on which faction you ally with.

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited )

None of what you listed is “new”. Also, Morrowind wasn’t actually “strange” in the slightest. Plenty of fantasy RPGs had elements of sci-fi and weird bug shit (see: Wizardry and even Might and Magic) and the “you can screw up the main quest” was similarly common at the time. Planescape I’ll give you.

Which is also true here. BG3 is not “strange”, It is literally the third Baldurs Gate game and continues most of the same themes and concepts. Yeah, it is a whole lot more gay but even that is not out of the ordinary for CRPGs at this point and had been pushed by companies like Larian, Obsidian, and Owlcat. Hell, the Mass Effects and Dragon Ages deserve a LOT of props for how horny and gay they were and normalizing the idea of picking the right dialogue options for a sexy card cutscene (also see CD Projekt Red).

And KCD2 is one of the most bog standard power fantasy games out there.


Like most articles of this variety, this is just a fancy way of saying “people should make good games”

melpomenesclevage,

none of what you listed is new

yes that’s exactly the point. two of these are from the 90s, one is from like 2001. old enough to have good credit and cheap car insurance. im making fun of the title.

morrowind isn’t really that weird

no, but it blew a lot of people’s minds so i put it on the list.

continues lots of the same themes

citation needed. not that I dislike it, it just feels like the name is tacked on to an otherwise lovely CRPG.

Mendicant_Bias,

Yeah, it is a whole lot more gay but even that is not out of the ordinary for CRPGs at this point and had been pushed by companies like Larian, Obsidian, and Owlcat. Hell, the Mass Effects and Dragon Ages deserve a LOT of props for how horny and gay they were and normalizing the idea of picking the right dialogue options for a sexy card cutscene (also see CD Projekt Red).

Haven’t played BG3 yet, but I’m interested to read this because I’ve noticed a lot of discussion seems to be about romancing characters, and I don’t remember that being a prominent feature in the first two. That said, I was a kid, so maybe that just went over my head at the time. Or is that something that Larian brought in from their other games?

NuXCOM_90Percent,

There were no sex cards, but if memory serves you could “romance” Jaheira (while effectively standing on the still warm corpse of her husband), Aerie (I remember that being kind of fucked but it has been 20 years), Viconia, and one of the boring dudes.

The “romances” weren’t particularly well written but… they honestly aren’t much better these days. We mostly just, as a culture, have moved on from needing everything to be a storybook romance and understanding that sometimes you just need a bang. Which makes “romance” in games a hell of a lot easier.

But also, since BG2 (well, NWN), Bioware have basically made their entire thing “romance options” and so forth. Similar to how Obsidian and Owlcat decided the real culture war was Turn Based versus Real Time With Pause. And Larian realized that we could do all the environmental nonsense that was originally only an option for tabletop games with GMs who didn’t know why you were asking when it last rained.

AdamBomb,

The Thaumaturge and Clair Obscur both look pretty weird

VerilyFemme, do games w After the catastrophe of Concord Sony is reportedly cancelling other projects including a God of War live service game

Yeah, cancelling this seems like a good call.

henfredemars, do games w After the catastrophe of Concord Sony is reportedly cancelling other projects including a God of War live service game

It’s for the best. The series deserves better than live service.

Zorque, do gaming w Elon Musk says too many game studios are owned by giant corporations so his giant corporation is going to start a studio to 'make games great again'

Doesn’t he know Epic Games studio already exists? The market for grand-standing self-righteous game-makers is pretty tapped at this point.

pivot_root,

They might actually get along. The CEOs of both happen to be hypocritical asswipes who think providing a worse product and complaining about competition will give them the monopoly they’re pretending to not want.

Infynis, do games w Arrowhead initially planned to make Helldivers 2 in 3 years—instead it took 7 years, 11 months, and 26 days
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

Proof that when you give devs the time they need, they make a game people actually like

ampersandrew, do games w A Tekken 8 streamer spent almost a week using a one-button mashing bot to prove that Eddy Gordo is as big a menace as ever
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It highlights the crucial flaw with Tekken for me: you have to just memorize how to defend everything your opponents can do to you rather than being able to intuit it on the fly. Which moves hit high/medium/low/overhead or track horizontally? There’s no language to it; it’s just done on a per move basis for balancing reasons, which means it would take me forever to get to the part where I actually get to think and play the game. This string, mashing 3, has highs, mediums, and lows all built in, plus it low profiles some counter attacks from opponents. This bot would beat me, too.

Nachorella, do games w The wild successes of Helldivers 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 send a clear message: Let devs cook

There’s also titles where the Devs cooked and ended up spending too much time and resources and underdelivered on huge flops. See Daikatana or whatever kickstarter game is disappointing people at the moment. Making games is just difficult, let alone making something that everyone loves.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Or Star Citizen, which may still never deliver (at least not a “launch” game and certainly not 80% of what has been promised).

Most time and most money spent developing a game ever so far.

sebinspace,

I agree with every criticism of that game, but fuck I want to be sooooo wrong.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it’d be nice. Which is why they’ve pulled in $750m.

Unfortunately they’ve also spent $750m and they’re not even remotely close to what they promised.

WarlordSdocy,

It’s almost like sometimes an idea doesn’t work out and you either have to abandon it or restart from the beginning but most companies won’t let that happen cause they don’t want to spend the time/money to do it.

PeriodicallyPedantic, do gaming w Ubisoft is stripping people's licences for The Crew weeks after its shutdown, nearly squandering hopes of fan servers and acting as a stark reminder of how volatile digital ownership is

you’re only allowed to have fun if we control it

LoamImprovement,

You’re only allowed to have fun if we can monetize it

PeriodicallyPedantic,

I figured it was a micro transaction game. This shit should be covered under right-to-repair.

original_reader,

We don’t care if you have fun. You already paid for it.

RedWeasel, do games w Power-mad modder puts Sonic the Hedgehog at the heart of the most tedious game ever made, so you can speed boost to the end in 3 straight hours instead of 8.

Give me a cannonball run that has real roads and realistic speed and traffic

bigmclargehuge,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

This is what I always wanted from The Crew. It’s sense of scale is all off though

Rentlar,

Did you see the news The Crew is Shutting Down their servers in April? If you bought this game, and live somewhere where your consumer protection agencies might have teeth you could help this guy put up a defense against companies bricking games you paid for.

NakariLexfortaine, do games w Finally, a farm sim that will let me date hot demons and also collect capybaras

But I want to collect hot demons and date capybaras.

The demons can bring us oranges while we enjoy the water.

Mononon, do games w Fans of Pokémon-inspired MMO Temtem are arguing with the developer about what MMO means after Crema CEO says it's 'not feasible' to keep adding content forever

My partner and I just played through this together in co-op and had a great time. We thought it was a good game.

I read the whole discord drama stuff, and I’m more on Crema’s side. I think they’ve made the mistake of trying to talk to a fanbase like they are just a group of reasonable people that will understand and empathize if you just lay out the facts. But they aren’t. They’re just going to pick apart anything you say and relentlessly shit on you because they are, collectively, not able to be reasoned with.

They released an MMO in its final state, minus some Kickstarter promised stuff, that they have said they will deliver. They tried to monetize the game how they felt was best, it didn’t work out, so they’ve moved on and left a functioning, small-scope MMO. You can argue the quality of it or whether you agree with their decisions, but they made what they said they were going to make.

And they are still releasing small updates to a community that is, frankly, awful. The subreddit is just a hivemind of asshole armchair developers.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Honest question: can you name an asshole gaming community that isn't tied to a live service game? Because I feel like the shitty community comes from expecting everything to be continually improved, and lots of those improvements are subjective, so someone's improvement is someone else's regression. I'll happily revise my hypothesis with some good counter examples though.

OhTheMoose,

Is the chess community nice?

AnarchistArtificer,

Sometimes. The chess community is very weird in my experience. Like, anarchy chess is a thing and shitposting seems to have permeated chess culture. Case in point, the double bongcloud being played in tournament (1:32 length clip). (For context, the bongcloud opening is very bad, playing it is basically a self nerf. Because of the way that tournaments and points work, the end outcome of this game was basically a mutually agreed draw, but they did it in the most shitposting way possible.).

Personally, I think this is great, it’s made it harder for some people to be gatekeepy arseholes within the chess community. I am always slightly perplexed by the memes though - with absurd humour, it can be hard to tell whether I’m missing the joke, or whether the joke is that there is no joke.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Warframe’s community is the nicest, least toxic community I’ve ever encountered. Not saying there aren’t toxic ass holes, there certainly are, but compared to other online game communities I’ve been part of the Warframe community is a breath of fresh air.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

So perhaps the updated hypothesis is all asshole communities are tied to live service games, but not all live service games have asshole communities?

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty much, yeah.

natecox,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

I’m not a huge mmo fan but I do like Final Fantasy 14, in part because the community is surprisingly friendly.

So yeah, I support “live service games attract bad communities, but sometimes they rise above that”.

Ilflish,

No, there are asshole in all types of games including Single player. Even if Souls has multiplayer, I’ve seen toxic communities in even games like Breath of the Wild

wahming,

Half the community is from the intelligence community, it’s in their interest to keep it nice so new players keep joining and leaking top secret technical specs

Maalus,

Warframe, not Warthunder. Warthunder is a toxic shithole.

wahming,

Ah whoops. Don’t play either.

Maybe warframe has some lost and confused spooks who are waiting for their big break?

Maalus,

Doubt it, seeing as Warframe has nothing to do with the current military in any way.

wahming,

It’s a joke… 😅

Maalus,

Not a very funny one, hence me clarifying.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Ah yes, the top secret specs of human experiments, augmenting soldiers with genetic altering diseases and space magic technologies.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Oof. Sounds like TemTem and Planetside have that in common.

crossmr,

It's because the fanbase is a bit tired of the developers.

The developer already set the tone very early on by being a pompous prick over the whole ban nonsense. No one could prove it but it seemed like certain key remappers (like for joysticks and things like that) were causing the anti cheat to trip even if they weren't being used, just running in the background. The CEO was a real jerk about it on twitter when people asked why there wouldn't be any appeals.

That kind of arrogance and behaviour came out several times. There isn't any reason for the community to give them the benefit of the doubt.

MentalEdge, (edited ) do gaming w Armello studio lays off over half its staff and 'indefinitely' pauses development on its ongoing early access game because 'almost all funding and investment has evaporated from the videogame industry
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Apparently any further sales of the game will have a cut going to even the staff that was laid off.

That’s commendable, but overall this is still an unfortunate development. I wonder if microtransactions in big games like apex and genshin are down this year? Is this an overall trend, or are people choosing to spend on one game, foregoing titles like Jumplight Odyssey for bigger spending on one (arguably less deserving) game.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

I wonder if microtransactions in big games like apex and genshin are down this year?

In Apex? Yes, and we know this from investor calls. Not sure about Genshin or Honkai, but even Fortnite is making less money. This appears to be an entire economy problem, not a video game problem. Perhaps related to inflation and consumers adapting their spending in response (a potential explanation I offer with no expertise to fall back on).

Katana314, do gaming w SteamOS will be coming to other handhelds before you can install it on your PC 'because right now, it's very, very tuned for Steam Deck'

I get the impression any more urgent gaps will be covered by the community.

I’ve used my Deck in its desktop mode, plugged in a dock, for extended periods when I didn’t have access to my PC, and it was a decent enough experience for the most part.

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

I could definitely see SteamDeck sized devices becoming standard computers with a dock for larger screen, IO, keyboard/mouse and maybe GPU in desktop mode while sizing down to a portable device for travel. Same games in both configuration just 4K high quality when docked and 1080 medium quality when handheld. Plus with a full Linux os it could become our main device.

baascus,

I’ve been thinking about this for some time, but rather smartphones as the form factor. It aligns with the trend of converging technologies, where devices are becoming more multifunctional, and users are seeking more flexibility and efficiency from their gadgets. It’s a future-forward vision that I believe will redefine personal computing.

quicksand,

Sounds like what Samsung is doing with Dex

Metallinatus,
@Metallinatus@lemmy.ml avatar

Canonical tried that with Ubuntu Touch a decade ago.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

I use dex a fair bit. It’s good, but strangely, with all they’ve spent on it, keyboard shortcuts are missing for a lot of things.

Katana314,

People have floated this idea of “dockable devices” for decades. Microsoft even made a Windows Phone that did it. The only time it worked was the Nintendo Switch, where they sold the dock together - and even then, I think their studies showed that a majority of players only play in one mode.

So it comes down to consumer friction. What do they get in one box, and how likely are they to buy a second?

IWantToFuckSpez, do gaming w You can't launch Modern Warfare 3 without first launching Modern Warfare 2

Imagine freeing up 200GB to install military propaganda on your pc. Seriously Activision has former CIA execs in their exec suite.

gk99,

Well, when someone else can make a shooter that scratches the same itch, I’ll play something else.

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Modern Warfare 2, maybe?

hperrin, do games w AI in big budget games is inevitable, say dev vets from Assassin's Creed and Everquest 2: 'Developers hate it … the money is still going to drive absolutely everybody to do it'

Depending on how it’s done, it could make the game better or worse, just like any other tool. I imagine there will be a lot of growing pains as devs figure out what works and what doesn’t.

CIA_chatbot,

I could see an mmo using it for small random side quest generation where any npc could give you a quest tailored to the character. That kind of stuff would go along way to make big open worlds more “living”

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Does that need an AI or just a well adjusted automated generation?

Maestro,
@Maestro@kbin.social avatar

It's the same thing. AI is not some magic pixie dust.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

ML models ‘learn’ by generating non-human-readable arrays of weights, that’s a little pixie-dusty. But it’s use there is narrow, in a supporting role. My comment was about the core ‘making radiant quests feel tailored to you’ thing. It woulf still be a set of tables with fillable blanks, it’s structure and content decided by humans with a little random or maybe AI-gen content dropped here and there to add variety. Otherwise it won’t communicate the resulting quest to the system.

rockerface,

As a developer (not of games, but still), I would actually be interested in a tool that can generate simple code snippets for me to correct and assemble into a more complex system. But yeah, as you said, there will be growing pains as everyone figures out the optimal use cases for AI in development

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