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DrQuint, (edited ) do games w Stadia's death spiral, according to the Google employee in charge of mopping up after its murder

I will never, ever, understand why Stadia was something thay had to be “ported into” at such high cost. Specially for games that were ALREADY working on Linux. Like, what the fuck was the hold up. I read up stories that it was basically like porting to a fourth console and that just sounded outrageously stupid in my head.

Whatever tech stack they had, they could have made it way more profitable by making it generic windows boxes that partially run your library elsewhere. I dunno if there’s some hubris or some licensing bullshit behind it, but fact is, if I want to do this on GeForce Now, I can do it, no questions asked, and as the costumer, that’s the beginning and end of my concerns.

redcalcium, (edited )

Google engineers always choose the hardest route to solve problems. Why wouldn’t they? If your products are going to be shutdown in a few years anyway, might as well have a glowing resume from working on those products (resume-driven development).

Think about it, every time Google made a product with sensible tech stacks, those products were actually started outside Google and later bought by Google (Android, YouTube, etc). If Google made Android from scratch, there is no way they’ll use java and Linux, they’ll invent a new language and made their own kernel instead (just like fuchsia os which might be canned soon).

anemomylos,
@anemomylos@kbin.social avatar
  • Kotlin: "are you talking to me?"
hesusingthespiritbomb,

Kotlin was made by Jetbrains and later adopted by Google.

sznio,

But Kotlin is actually an improvement over Java.

Golang thoooooo

atocci,

TIL Fuchsia hasn't been killed quite yet.

smeg,

Does it actually even exist? I feel like I’ve been getting whispered rumours about it for years and years, but never anything sold!

atocci,

Yes! Nest Hub devices run it

smeg,

Oh wow, I’ll have to have a read up

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

might as well have a glowing resume from working on those products (resume-driven development).

This is so true. Getting promoted requires showing impact. If you use off-the-shelf tools (that happen to be easily maintainable) that’s not an impressive impact. If you invent a new language (and make up a convincing reason it was necessary) and so-on, that’s really impressive and you can get promoted. The minefield you leave behind that makes maintaining your solution so difficult is just another opportunity for someone else to get promoted.

Zeth0s, (edited )

Only Microsoft can run decently windows in a decently big data centers. Because they can tweak it, as they do for Xbox os as well. For everyone else scaling windows server VMs or containers is a pain, because windows is a bad, poorly optimized, resources-hungry OS developed with main goal to make hardware obsolete every 3-5 years.

I don’t know what nvidia is doing, but when I use it at my friends’ places, lags are painful.

Linux was the right call in theory, in practice gaming industry is pretty broken on the PC side with its lock on windows, as we see on every new AAA port… Let’s hope valve can save it, but I doubt.

smeg,

I don’t think the people downvoting you have ever experienced the pain of dealing with Windows in a cloud environment

Pxtl, (edited )
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

No, we’re downvoting because of conspiracy theories about planned obsolescense.

Yes, it’s disappointing how hardware requirements climb for minimal appreciable improvement, but Hanlon’s Razor applies.

Zeth0s, (edited )

It is not a conspiracy though. Planned obsolescence is a well known real thing. There is a reason unix computers last on average longer than windows computers, and Linux is the stereotypical OS for old pcs.

If people are downvoting for this, they should learn how computers and operating systems work

Zeth0s, (edited )

Don’t worry, I was expecting the downvotes. This place is full of angry windows fan boys that believe they are tech expert because they watch ltt and can install a skyrim mod. Less than reddit luckily

Astroturfed,

The thing was clearly designed to force you into paying a subscription fee. You can’t let people have something they could possibly easily use and play games that aren’t on your subscription if your entire purpose is to milk a monthly subscription from the users. Google, fuck you capitalism woohoo.

canis_majoris, do games w Stadia's death spiral, according to the Google employee in charge of mopping up after its murder
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

One of the main issues with Stadia is that they didn’t even do the basics. I saw basically no marketing, and on top of that, I heard all kinds of rumors about the business model that were entirely false. They made no effort to combat the misinformation. It was never the case that you literally had to purchase the game on top of the subscription fees, but that was like the number one issue brought up in every discussion.

Facebones,

It’s been how long now? TIL that was false. 🤷

canis_majoris,
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

I know, right? Service has been down almost an entire year.

Facebones,

The “pay for sub then buy games on top of that” was 100% how I heard it worked and NEVER heard anything different from anywhere.

That’s kinda nuts.

conciselyverbose,

It was basically true.

There was a bad experience version you could use without a subscription to games you purchased outright, and they included "free" games with your subscription, but to get a reasonable experience you had to pay for both.

Chozo,

The subscription was only necessary if you wanted to play in 4K or wanted "free" monthly games. Everything else worked just fine without the sub, with no change to performance.

conciselyverbose,

The subscription was absolutely required for performance not to be a complete dumpster fire.

The free tier wasn't mediocre. It was unplayable.

HarkMahlberg, (edited )
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

From everything I can see, you did have to buy games on Stadia. They would give you a free game a month, but if that wasn't the game you wanted to play, you had to buy it. The base version of Stadia was free, but the Pro version gave you a discount on games - it did not make them free.

This is the official support forum and there are many Q&A's about purchasing games:

https://community.stadia.com/t5/Payments-Billing/Can-t-buy-games-in-the-Store-OR-HDT-01/m-p/52482

Got my Stadia Pro account with a credit card...

... If you have an Android device, you can also try via the Stadia app to purchase games (once purchased, you can play them everywhere, on mobile, TV or PC).

Stamau123,

So it wasn’t bullshit? Well in the end the environment was confusing, as thus it died

conciselyverbose,

The "wrong" part was that you could theoretically play games you owned without the subscription active.

But it was downgraded heavily enough that it wasn't really worth doing.

Astroturfed,

I couldn’t figure out how to do anything with one without paying the subscription. The interface was horrible and clearly designed to force you into subscribing before you could even use the thing.

Molecular0079,

It was never the case that you literally had to purchase the game on top of the subscription fees

It depends on the game. There were a bunch of games under “Stadia Play” that came along with the subscription, GamePass style. And then there were games you had to outright purchase.

Trihilis,

The main problem with stadia was Google. I knew it was doomed from the start and that’s why I never bothered with it. I actually know a lot of people that didn’t bother with it because it was from Google. It’s basically a self fulfilling prophecy at this point that most of their shit ends up on the Google graveyard.

A lot of people actually don’t trust Google anymore since they’ve already been screwed over many times by them.

infamous_trade, do gaming w Bethesda says most of Starfield's 1000+ planets are dull on purpose because 'when the astronauts went to the moon, there was nothing there' but 'they certainly weren't bored'

nice argument lol

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Who needs logic and rhetoric when you have 💰

Lord knows there’s enough content creators now to self sustain shit games and businesses for all of time regardless of what genpop is interested in

PeterPoopshit, (edited ) do games w Legend has spent years making Portal for the N64 and by Gaben he's done it

Nintendo better not send their lawyers after this guy.

refurbishedrefurbisher,

Seeing as there’s zero Nintendo IP being used, I find that unlikely. The only company that would have any standing to go after him is Valve, and they historically don’t go after modders and such. You also need to own a copy of Portal to play this game. You basically patch a file in Portal with a bps patch that will “convert” it into a playable N64 ROM.

galloog1,

What they need to do is get the licensing worked out and release it via gamepass or something. That would be a nice windfall for him and share this with with others.

refurbishedrefurbisher,

Valve has been known to make fangames based on their IP available through Steam. Black Mesa is a good example.

Of course, this would have to be distributed with an emulator, but N64 emulators don’t require any proprietary code to run.

scrubbles, do games w Young men are 'playing videogames all day' instead of getting jobs because they can mooch off of free healthcare, claims congressman
!deleted6348 avatar

What we can? How? I’ve been eating ramen and hemorrhaging savings paying for cobra

Lost_My_Mind,

Well see thats you’re problem. Ditch cobra and join J.I JOOOOEEEEEE!!!

Then you can be paid under minimum wage to risk your life fighting in unjust wars, only to find your government abandons you and any help you were promised for injuries or complications to your daily lifestyle as a result of your time in the service.

See? 'MURICA!

drmoose, do games w Nexus Mods' new owners promise they won't monetise the site to death as users panic at the whiff of venture capital

As a software engineer i always found nexus simply archaic. Hot take but the molding industry might be better off with a new mod index.

hazl,

Here’s how it goes with half the games I mod these days.

  1. Game not manageable in Vortex out of the box
  2. Find the extension that makes the game manageable
  3. All popular mods are based on one single mod that acts as a framework or SDK for those other mods
  4. That prerequisite mod isn’t well maintained on Nexus, and the author recommends using $otherModManager to manage this game
drmoose,

Funny how all of that is straight up solved with any package manager or even git itself (with submodules) for free and yet gaming community is protecting some proprietary burning heap of garbage.

pory,
@pory@lemmy.world avatar

The main problem in your setup is you installed Vortex. It and its prior incarnation Nexus Mod Manager have always been a thorn in actual mod developers’ sides. Mod devs can easily tell you where to extract the zip to, and what dependencies you need. Any load order manager type thing will always be better when designed specifically for the game you’re running. Having an “easy one click GUI!!!” doesn’t actually help anybody because modding different games isn’t a universally systematic process.

Blaiz0r,

It should all be open source.

First thing is mods should just exist on free hosting providers for source code like GitHub/Lab etc.

Then an optional mod manager software that can import mods from these sources.

Non of this really needs a centralised community, these places already exist thanks to other better suited services like social media

Ibuthyr,

But social media is 95% turbocancer…

Blaiz0r,

I mean things like Discord and Revolt, even Reddit is better for communities to discuss things about mods than the Nexus site

Ibuthyr,

I didn’t down vote you, but Discord is a huge offender regarding enshittification of the internet. Reddit might even be worse.

Blaiz0r,

That’s not my point though, they’re much better at holding discussion and keeping people updated than the Nexus mods site was

JeeBaiChow, do games w Helldivers 2 and Palworld devs wish players understood that 'easy' additions and updates are sometimes really hard: 'That's half a year's work. That takes six months'

Maybe the suits can fix that in a week by using AI.

/s btw

jonne,

Hey ChatGPT, code a new island!

WanderingThoughts,

Players: it’s not unique enough and that makes it boring. It’s like they rushed this one with some standard stuff.

Genius, do games w After saying negative reviews 'might just cause our death' and 'we've got a few months left in the oven', No Rest for the Wicked CEO claims he never said they were in 'immediate financial danger'

This man is a cartoon. I love him. He sucks so bad.

OneRedFox, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO
@OneRedFox@beehaw.org avatar

And so the hell-loop continues. Matrix seems like the closest successor, but having used it for awhile I would describe the experience as janky-but-workable. Signal’s good, but requires a phone number. I hear that Mumble’s good, but it’s overly focused on VoIP. Hopefully the alternatives polish themselves up before the enshittification gets too bad.

MaggiWuerze,
@MaggiWuerze@feddit.org avatar

You can nowadays create a signal account without a phone number, you’ll get a user name instead

OneRedFox,
@OneRedFox@beehaw.org avatar

Oh? When did they change that?

nixnoodle,

I also thought you could create an account without your phone number nowadays, but since I already have a phone-connected account, I haven’t tested. Only thing I found in their blog was this: signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/

Until now, someone needed to know your phone number to reach you on Signal. Now, you can connect on Signal without needing to hand out your phone number. (You will still need a phone number to register for Signal.) This is where usernames come in.

There are some newer post about other changes, but I haven’t checked them in detail.

MaggiWuerze,
@MaggiWuerze@feddit.org avatar

Pretty recently I think

Kichae,

There’s a huge opportunity not just for Matrix, but also for other open source or distributed players here, if they can move quickly enough.

They won’t, though.

biteychan,

I use Matrix, but like a lot of the Fediverse (I know it’s technically a different protocol, but still), it’s not normie friendly. If it were more plug n play it might take off. I just don’t look forward to when they’ll have ads or start making us pay. It’s so tiring shuffling from platform to platform because of some greedy CEO.

caseyweederman, do games w Diablo 1 and 2 devs secure $4.5 million for a new ARPG: 'We're going back to what made those early Diablo games feel so awesome but taking them in some cool, fresh directions'

“Every monster is the Butcher”

grrgyle,

A Butcher that stalked you from the shadows like a kobold would be terrifying

DarkDarkHouse, (edited )
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Diablo had great lighting effects. In the catacombs you’d see a flash of movement in the dark, before being attacked by a goat demon who had used the darkness to get around behind you. The later instalments in the series made enemies much more visible, and lost something for it.

grrgyle,

Yes! I was trying to explain this at a PoE 2 launch party but no one got it. I know Diablo is likely dated in a lot of ways, but unlike with other entries, I remember actually getting scared while playing it. Like it actually felt like overcoming an ordeal.

nesc,

Fresh meat!

DrSleepless,

You play as the butcher

njm1314, do gaming w Elon Musk says too many game studios are owned by giant corporations so his giant corporation is going to start a studio to 'make games great again'

I can’t even begin to imagine how fucking lame and cringe a game made by Elon Musk would be. Much less how buggy and unplayable.

glimse,

You play as doge and collect dogecoins to spend on memes. The game is called X and it runs a crypto miner on your gpu when you play it (you get coins in game, Elon gets coins in real life).

You can pay for X premium for $10/month which unlocks cosmetics and lets you access the members-only chatroom

pivot_root,

The cosmetics are all unique and non-fungible, and can be resold to other X premium users for real-world money in the form of credit that can be used to buy different tokens cosmetics.

Snowclone,

Considering the growth he’s experienced from his 20s to now, he’ll probably try and make a Quake 2 clone.

bassomitron, do games w To appease a Steam user's demands for straight representation, Webfishing added a 'Straight' title that costs 9,999 fish bucks

Straight representation? Lol, what? Like every major branching choice RPG with romance options offers plenty of hetero choices (Witcher, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Baldurs Gate, Cyberpunk 2077, etc). Even in Veilguard, the first AAA game I’ve played that offers nonbinary choices, still has plenty of hetero representation. Culture wars are so god damn exhausting and unwinnable.

inb4_FoundTheVegan,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

These are the same people mad at “woke” games for not having white charcters. Their enormous amount of privliage has made them utterly blind to history or context.

I hate it here. 🙃

RageAgainstTheRich, do games w To appease a Steam user's demands for straight representation, Webfishing added a 'Straight' title that costs 9,999 fish bucks

Huh, suddenly the crying straight gamers care about representation… 🤔

Tudsamfa,
@Tudsamfa@lemmy.world avatar

Apart from them straights not being a Monolith, I feel there is a difference between not being represented and being actively excluded. You know, one is bad and one is worse.

You can and should leave a “Need a ____ tag” at the forum then. Don’t know why the article is so snarky about that, the poster of that seemed reasonable enough on the first 2 pages.

Anticorp, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

Does GOG work on Linux?

Draconic_NEO,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Many of their games do have native linux versions, and a lot do work under wine or proton, which can be used as a Non-steam game in Steam or even without Steam.

Their launcher doesn’t yet have a native linux version but it’s completely optional, and does still run under wine if you really want it.

Anticorp,

If I’m not going to use their game manager, then why would I buy the game from them instead of just buying it directly from the game studio? I guess because game studios rarely distribute their own games anymore?

Whitebrow,

Exactly, the game publishers and distributors are often not the developers themselves. Only one to distribute direct in recent memory was World Of Goo 2, and even that was sold primarily through the Epic store.

histic,

Tarkov is only direct to my knowledge

Cethin,

If it works on Steam it works on GOG. Nothing about proton is limited to Steam.

Anticorp,

There’s a Linux specific Steam program though. Is there a Linux specific GOG program?

Cethin,

You mean a native version of GOG? I don’t think so, but you can use it through Lutris.

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

Nowadays the Heroic Games Launcher is the preferred solution for downloading and running GOG games. It’s a community-run project, but officially affiliated with GOG.

Anticorp,

Cool, thank you.

HKayn,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

The Heroic Games Launcher can download and run GOG games. It’s a community-run project, but officially affiliated with GOG.

Anticorp,

Cool, thanks.

ouch,

How does GOG support Heroic?

OhYeah,

They set up a commission with gog if you buy games through heroic

ouch,

Is this an actual, specific deal with Heroic, or some general affiliate linking thing?

OhYeah,

No clue if it’s heroic exclusive but it’s more than just affiliate linking. Heroic embeds the actual gog store page in the launcher and gets a percentage of anything you buy per their agreement with gog

ouch,

Sounds technically just like affiliate linking, even if the browser is embedded.

affiliate.gog.com

Just curious if there is a specific deal between Heroic and GOG.

ouch,

For the record, the affiliate link is listed here:

heroicgameslauncher.com/donate

InfiniWheel, do gaming w The Day Before studio returns from the dead and asks for a 'second chance': 'From now on, our development and marketing will be based on the principle of honesty'

Honestly if anyone gives them their money at this point. That’s on them.

Rose,

Already 60% of the goal reached, with 28 days to go. 😩

Donut,

It’s only 30 people that have pledged the $14,670. This almost averages to $500 per backer, which is a lot higher than the normal average.

My theory? They are arranging the pledges themselves to make it look like they are desired.

Rose,

That would be perfectly in line with their past behavior.

turbulentMagma,

One single person pledged S$12000 for the dinner with devs tier

Donut,

Ah I should have checked that, yeah. That will bump up the average by quite a bit. Thanks for the logic to my conspiracies, I should have known better

Rose, (edited )

Now refunded it seems. The person probably contributed to say it’s a scam, like some of the other backers in the comments.

We’ve noticed that some backer’s contributions to our Kickstarter may not have the best intentions behind them, and we want to ensure that all support is genuine and positive. With this in mind, we have decided to return the 12k SGD so that the funds can be put to better use by their owner

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