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UnPassive, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

I’m leaveling up all my familys’ favorite ssx tricky characters cause otherwise we all play as Moby when I visit (the only character I play as normally). Mac, Kaori, JP. Probably won’t be unlocking uber-boards on all of them, but we’ll see

spacecowboy, do games w This should be illegal

Is this a Facebook game…?

Duamerthrax,

Yup. They’re complaining about a Facebook game. No fucking shit that company will unceremoniously end support. Everyone who bought into Zuck’s vision deserves what they’re getting.

NightAuthor,

I hope you get the help you need.

Duamerthrax,

Well, I don’t use Facebook, so I don’t need help with that at least.

gawker.com/…/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users…

Mark Zuckerberg admits in a New Yorker profile that he mocked early Facebook users for trusting him with their personal information. A youthful indiscretion, the Facebook founder says he’s much more mature now, at the ripe age of 26.

“They trust me — dumb fucks,” says Zuckerberg in one of the instant messages,

Knusper,

It’s developed by Facebook, but it’s not one of those in-browser games you might be thinking of. “Meta Quest” is their VR platform. So, while the quality might be similar, you do need to buy rather expensive gear to play this particular game…

Delusional, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

Trying to play wow classic hardcore with my group of friends. So far I’m the only one who hasn’t died and it’s frustrating trying to group up now since we’re all wildly different levels.

GreenAlex, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023
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I randomly got hit with the urge to play the ps2 mascot games. I've started picking them up for cheap to rip and load onto my Steam Deck. I've finished the first Ratchet and Clank and Sly Cooper games. Now started on Going Commando, with plans for the rest of both of their ps2 games and the Jak and Daxter trilogy. I've played all of Ratchet and Jak before but Sly is new to me, minus maybe half of his 4th game.

And still chugging through BG3 with my wife. It's been hard getting time for the longer play sessions it requires lately but we'll get through it eventually.

dotdi, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

Starfield, like a maniac.

docclox,
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Yeah, me too. Just shy of 140 hours in and still having a blast.

Just joined the Crimson Fleet for the first time, got my first custom spaceship that I’m happy with, still haven’t completed the UC questline, hardly dug into outposts at all…

I may be here for some time :)

random_character_a, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023
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Starfield and Brotato

Getting bored. Starfield is just a buggy mediocre FPS. Everything else in it is giving me serious ‘no man’s sky’ vibes and not in a good way.

sailsperson,
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Starfield is a classic case of some misleading marketing on purpose, and, well, it just falls into the perpetually doomed category of games/media that will always suffer from extremely high expectations: sci-fi/space/cyberpunk. The imagination wanders especially far with games like these, and there's little to none us, the consumers, and they, the devs and publishers, can ever do about it.

That being said, you're right in not praising the game. It's a niche fun in my opinion, and only shines if you take it for what it is, but not for what it seemed to have been marketed as.

TL;DR Stafield is a Bethesda game through and through, but with a coating some Microsoft PG-13 "play it safe" attitude.

Epicurus0319, (edited ) do games w This should be illegal

This is why I always look for cartridge-based Switch ports of games I play, so they’ll be mine long after the online play ceases, they can no longer be legally purchased and my current device reaches the end of its product life. It also helps that game cards last longer than optical discs

XTornado,

The updates are still annoying but yeah it’s better than nothing. Of course there are some releases with the complete games all patched but those are rare and usually special/limited editions.

spacecowboy, do games w This should be illegal

You touch anything from Meta with a 10 foot pole, you deserve whatever comes your way.

Rai,

Complete agree. Disgusting evil company. Fuck Facebook

Kolanaki,
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It’s not like this phenomena is limited to the Quest or Meta. It happens all the time across the whole industry.

Classy,

Google

Liz,

Or we could make shitty behavior illegal so that people don’t have to vet the ethics of every company they interact with.

TinyLightShow, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

I just picked up Shadow of the Tomb Raider after not having touched a Tomb Raider game since PS1, and still never finishing them. It’s pretty good! It feels a lot like God of War but with Lara Croft. Makes me want to pick up the previous iterations to get more of the story, since I’m a bit lost, but it’s easy to fill in some of the blanks.

fkn, (edited ) do games w This should be illegal

Edit2: Jesus people, please engage with the actual argument… not some strawman argument I didn’t make.

I must be missing something here.

  1. Company buys land, designs and builds theme park
  2. Company operates theme park.
  3. Theme park isn’t profitable.
  4. Company closes theme park
  5. ???
  6. Company must give away designs and schematics to theme park rides for free so people can build theme park themselves that might be in direct competition with new theme park company is trying to build???

Edit: I do think that abandonware should be opensourced at some point… but I don’t understand this level of entitlement.

provomeister,
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Good analogy. The battle shouldn’t be about forcing abandonware to be opensource. We should focus on DRM, it makes games almost impossible to play when servers shut down.

OP should have compared it to other medias such as movies. When you buy a box copy, you expect it to work long after the authors/studios/etc. are gone.

The issue is about the lack of legal ways to play older games as time moves on. It will only grow bigger in the next few years with even more games relying on DRM and online servers.

fkn, (edited )

This is a good distinction.

Online only play models are difficult for the consumer. I personally don’t play that many online only games for partly this reason… and partly because I don’t play many online games at all.

average650,
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Maybe I’m just missing some crucial info, but an amusement park seems like a fundamentally different thing than software.

fkn,

It’s the designs and schematics part that makes them equivalent.

closetfurry,

It still doesn’t seem entirely equivalent to me. We’re not talking about them giving out the source code. We’re talking about how shit it is that something like software already installed on your computer just no longer will work.

Or let’s use your analogy; why not just abandon the facility instead of shutting it down and chasing everyone away?

Like, don’t get me wrong. I understand that this is the nature about always online stuff and that it can always be closed down like a theme park, but I feel the conversation is more about “why did they design this like a theme park without an abandonment clause instead of a shut-down clause. Historically, most other theme parks have been fine with being abandoned”

And I mean, I’ll agree with you that it’s nothing new, we saw it with Overwatch 1 and countless others, but I feel it’s a conversation one should be able to have without it being dismissed?

(I may have read too much into your comment, but it felt like it was dismissing it as a non-issue since theme parks work like this, when this is not a theme park)

fkn, (edited )

Just in case you missed it in the op:

companies should be forced to open-source games (or at least provide the source code to those who bought it)

fkn,

After reading the rest of your comment, you are reading the wrong thing from it, the physical parts of the amusement park would be the extant binaries you already have. They still run the same as they did before, but without maintenance they will deteriorate and become non-functional or only partially operational. In an online system there are server bits that might not be available to the end user and those pieces also need an operator.

To make a slightly more specific analogy, with a water park we could imagine a separate water treatment facility that would need to be run to keep the water in the water park safe. That treatment facility could also have plans and schematics.

The actual facilities in these cases are not independently valuable in the software case. It’s the plans and schematics (the source code) that has value… but in both cases you only need the facilities and operators/maintenance to allow people to attend the water park/play the game.

Could the game company also give away a physical treatment plants so that an independent organization could buy their own servers and run their own game servers so that they could still play in their own private water parks? Sure.

Should they? Maybe. But it’s specifically the entitlement to the plans/schematics that gets me…

closetfurry,

I understand the point now. Thank you! Good explanation!

Gamey,

You can’t compare a one time ticket to an amusment park to a purchased product tho, that’s just a bad analogy…

fkn,

I didn’t.

Cryophilia,

It’s not a good analogy. Buying a one time use ticket to an amusement park is a very different thing than purchasing a game.

A better analogy would be buying a season pass to an amusement park, which then abruptly shuts down 3 months later.

fkn,

That’s not the analogy I gave.

Cryophilia,

That’s my point, your analogy was a bad one so I made a new one.

fkn,

No. I didn’t make the analogy you claimed I did. You strawman’d my argument and made one you like.

Cryophilia,

Well then, whatever argument you’re making, which I note you refuse to elaborate on, you’re missing the point.

fkn,

Why would I need to elaborate on an argument I didn’t make? I don’t understand? I made my argument, if you don’t understand it, I don’t know what you don’t understand?

What are you misunderstanding?

Cryophilia,

It doesn’t matter. Whatever argument you’re making, you’re missing the point of the OP.

Because the analogy I drew was in line with the OP. And you said you were making a totally different argument. So whatever argument you’re making is irrelevant.

fkn, (edited )

What?

My argument directly engaged with the original post that game developers should be forced to open source their software. The analogy you made has nothing to do with open source software, it has to do with payment models…

Edit: and ops position doesn’t make any claims about payment models…

Cryophilia,

The underlying analogy was totally wrong though because it misses the point of why people are so angry about it. The payment model is integral to understanding the entire point of the discussion.

fkn,

What?

You are even more wrong.

Bogo is a free game. What is wrong with you?

Cryophilia,

There are two kinds of people in this world

Those who are able to extrapolate from incomplete data

fkn,

Ah, so you are a troll who has no intention of engaging in an honest conversation. Got it.

Tb0n3, do gaming w ANTI-UNITY STRATEGY

Or use a different engine.

Meloku,
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That would be a valid option… If the game was in the planning stage.

Tb0n3,

Which is consistent with my criticism. The OP says from now on, meaning future games as well.

AngryCommieKender,

This is what worries me about Dyson Sphere Program. They “technically” have a finished product right now, and are still in beta. Hopefully they get the Dark Fog implemented before they have to kill the project.

Sigh_Bafanada,

Inb4 Silksong gets delayed till 2032 while they switch engines

fushuan, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

Path of Exile, BG3, Last epoch…

alfredalpaca, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

Armored core 6. Finished one ending yesterday and on ng+ today. I’m way more invested in faceless characters than I thought I could be and there was an unexpected anime like fight that hit me in the feels

chandz05, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

Recently just got into Tunic! Amazing game!

MrGerrit, (edited ) do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion - 18-09-2023

Diablo 3 season 29 started last Friday and loving it!

Finally solo self found leaderboards!

Also enjoying the seasons theme, small areas with random mobs, elites, gobs and rift guardians.

Having more fun than playing D4.

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