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Transporter_Room_3, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Every time I hear Nintendo issues another C&D, I have a new emulator to download before they get forcibly taken down.

It’s 100% the streisand effect.

“Oh you’re whining about another small group of people passionate about your past games? Well let me pile onto your woes. Asshole.”

I do not understand how one company can have so much dedication from fans while simultaneously despising them.

If YOU aren’t going to offer a 100% obviously and clearly above board, legal, safe, option for games anymore, someone else WILL and you get absolutely nothing from it.

And I also don’t understand why a company with no intention of ever selling something again still has the ability to sue people while claiming lost revenue. Get fucked, and stop bitching. It just makes me never want to buy Nintendo products ever again.

But that won’t stop me from playing Nintendo products.

the_post_of_tom_joad,

There is a actually a method to Nintendo’s madness. As part of IP ownership, “Reasonable Measures” must be taken to defend your IP or you risk losing the right to defend them. That said they can gobble my ryujinx

I am definitely not a lawyer.

moody,

This only applies to trademarks and the risk of genericization. You don’t lose copyrights that way.

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

From my understanding of Japanese law (lol super duper limited), it actually is the case specifically in Japan that they could lose their older IPs, however if they are still in use (banjo kazooie just got a new game in the last few years, right?) then THOSE IPs are safe in terms of maintaining ownership.

In my opinion that’s just bullshit, but I do understand the reasoning.

However, if an IP has been abandoned, and no new games are planned, it should be completely fair game.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

The “actively using” part is my conspiracy theory on why Disney has recently made so many live action remakes. They need to be able to show that they’re still using their copyrights and trademarks, so they’re just rehashing all of their old movies as live action. It doesn’t matter whether or not it’s good, because the company is just trying to maintain their IP holdings.

Similar to why they added Steamboat Mickey to their intro. They wanted to show that they were still using it, so they just slapped it in as part of their intro. The only reason that fell through was because they failed to bribe enough lawmakers soon enough, and missed the deadline to vote to extend copyrights.

HawlSera,

I always just assumed the Live Action movies were a money laundering scheme.

Outside of Aladdin which people only saw because “Will Smith genie memes!”, did any of them even make money at the box office?

HawlSera,

The last time Banjo Kazooie had a new game, I was still a man.

That ship has long since fucking sailed, I’m post-op and everything.

the_post_of_tom_joad,

Can you help me with this? My reading says different:

What is Intellectual Property?

There are four types of intellectual property:

  • A trademark is a name, logo, symbol, slogan, or tagline – or in some limited cases, even a shape, color, or sound – that is used to identify and distinguish goods or services of one person or company from those of another.
  • A patent is a right granted by the federal government to the patent owner that permits the owner to exclude others from making, using, or selling an invention for a limited time period (for example, up to 20 years).
  • A copyright grants the owner the exclusive right to publish, reproduce, print, perform, display, license, film or record their literary, artistic, or musical content, and prepare derivative works based on the copyrighted work.
  • A trade secret is highly confidential proprietary information, such as a device, method, technique, process, formula, or program, that has undergone reasonable efforts to maintain its secrecy because it provides significant economic value in not being known or readily discoverable by others

link

Wouldn’t the bolded ‘trade secret’ section cover their switch’s defense against its emulators?

Then, the requirement to defend:

For Good Reason: “Reasonable Measures” in Recent Trade Secret Law

One often-overlooked requirement has the potential to make or break a trade secret misappropriation claim: the trade secret owner must have taken “reasonable measures” to protect the trade secret; otherwise the information does not qualify as trade secret under the Federal Defend Trade Secrets Act (“DTSA”) or the Uniform Trade Secrets Act (“UTSA”). But the statute does not provide what protective measures are sufficiently reasonable, so that determination largely depends on each case’s facts and circumstances. This article examines recent case law surrounding what measures courts have found to be “reasonable” under the circumstances (and which ones courts have found were not “reasonable” under the circumstances).

link

moody,

It’s certainly possible, but AFAIK their objections have been about piracy and copyright infringement. At least I haven’t read or heard anything about trade secrets being at issue.

HawlSera,

Which is why I’m surprised most video game characters are generic humans these days.

Seems like it’s easier to protect a trademark on Banjo and Kazooie than it is for John McWhiteguy from Call of Duty.

Prunebutt,

I tried to run suyu yesterday and found out that Nintendo actually succeeded in practically killing the development of yuzu and its’ forks.

Suyu and sudachi are dead and torzu is hosted/developed by a single developer who admits they wont be able to properly keep on development.

It’s reasonable, because apparently yuzu used Nintendo code from a devkit, which makes the whole codebase radioactive. But yeah: Nintendo actually succeeded in the end. :/

BarrelRider,

Ryujinx still exists so, besides android, switch emulation is still going.

Prunebutt,

I know. But they targeted yuzu and successfully killed it. (because some of the devs supposedly did extremely stupid things)

HawlSera,

There really needs to be “Use it or lose it” system when it comes to intellectual property.

Not selling Manhunt 2 anywhere? Can’t bitch when I find a cracked copy…

I’m just kidding, Rockstar doesn’t because they realize they’re not losing money on a product they literally don’t sell or even acknowledge that often.

Piracy is not a crime, it is the preservation of art.

HawlSera, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive

How about you re-release your older games on platforms I’m willing to pay for, ones that aren’t tied to an arbitrary subscription service or apart of a digital storefront that can go down at any time?

FlavoredButtHair, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

Nintendo isn’t even losing money. There so people still buying Nintendo products. Probably cause they don’t know how to emulate and such.

ChaoticNeutralCzech, do games w Day 36 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots (Jedi Fallen Order)

Looks like a texture bug… Why would they bother modeling them if they’d end up using an obviously wrong texture?

Stovetop,

I don’t think it’s a texture bug, I think they just took the same model they use for the enemy unit, put them in poses, and then stuck a burn shader on there.

01189998819991197253, do gaming w Wouldn't have it any other way
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

In his defense, that’s one of the best games.

yamanii, do gaming w Wouldn't have it any other way
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

You need a good PC to use the crt with reflection shaders ¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/799a813f-b1dc-463a-a980-24a9c2b24445.png

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Teach me your ways o wise master. I’ve been trying to get crt shaders to not look like dogshit for years and I have yet to accomplish it.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar
Glytch, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive

This meme works especially well because Pam’s line immediately before this is “I could give a shit about your happiness”

Pistcow, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive

Hey, remember that game you loved as a kid and wanted it on your newest system with minor quality of life changes? We made a mobile version that kills the style, has a shitty controller layout that you cant change, and its $59.99 more than when it originally released 30 years ago

SpeakinTelnet,
@SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works avatar

Final Fantasy VI could have had such a beautiful post SNES legacy.

dvlsg,
@dvlsg@lemmy.world avatar

The pixel remaster is a solid version. Could have used the GBA dungeons, but the music is very well done.

sigmaklimgrindset,

Wait…FFVI was for the SUPER NINTENDO??? I love that game, why did I think it was a PlayStation original, along with VII?

Edit: I looked it up and it’s blowing my mind that it came out in 1994.

SpeakinTelnet,
@SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works avatar

SNES was home to some of the best RPGs. Chrono Trigger, FFVI, Mario RPG, Secret of Mana, Tales of Phantasia. I remember when FFVII came out it was a heated debate of which one was the best between VI & VII.

sigmaklimgrindset,

Shows how timeless the games you listed are, I played most of them in the mid-late 2000s as a kid and never thought of them as “old” like I do with the SNES, lol.

Pistcow,

Your thinking of Fanal Fantasy Anthologies which includes FFV and FFVI which were both originally SNES. First FF game on PS1 was FFVII.

Weird from my perspective for someone to think FFVI was first on the PS1 but I grew up playing NES-PS2 during grade school.

sigmaklimgrindset,

Your thinking of Fanal Fantasy Anthologies which includes FFV and FFVI which were both originally SNES

Europe actually didn’t have FF Anthologies 🥲 I played both VI and VII while visiting my family in Europe, and my cousin had them as standalone games (and I am forever grateful he was kind enough to trust a snot nosed brat like me with his precious PlayStation)

Pistcow,

You beat the Nazis but you couldnt beat PAL. Sorry Europe missed out on a great game.

vividspecter,

It gets even weirder, as the US only got FF1, FF4, FF6 originally and the latter two were renamed to FF2 and FF3 when they were localised.

ThePantser,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that SNES games were $60 30 years ago and games are still that price means we are actually getting a deal. Except the physical part is what made the $60 feel worth it, the cart, the full color 30 page manual and sometimes posters! Now games are digital they should be like $10 max from Nintendo.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

They were also complete games rather than having content carved off of them to sell as MTX.

Pistcow,

Inflation never hit Arby’s -Nick Thune

hark, do gaming w Wouldn't have it any other way
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

PS3 emulation is pretty heavy, but yeah, retro games give me the right mix of simple and entertaining. Maybe I’m just old.

Facebones, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive

Literally what happened to me. I have a modded switch but still bought games for it, when they shut down yuzu I packed the switch up and play exclusively on PC now.

_____, do gaming w Wouldn't have it any other way

Your machine serves you, not the other way around.

However there is such a thing as budgeting and spending money wisely.

I have a high end machine and I also have emulated GBA games on it. (I also play modern titles)

I do know someone who has a high end osrs machine, not wise spending.

gamermanh,

I emulate GBA games on my beast of a gaming PC if I’m home because that’s the most comfy setup

If I leave, I used to use my hacked PSP and manually synch the files, then it was my hacked Vita and a program that synched them automatically, and now I use retroafch and my steam deck so my files are synched automatically without even having to think about it

Everyone I know who’s just playing emulators is doing so on their phones these days anyway

_____,

I used to use my hacked PSP as well but now instead I RDP if I’m casually gaming. And if I can’t RDP I just take it as a break from gaming.

ByteOnBikes,

Steam Deck absolutely changed my habits. I played more Elden Ring on it than I have my high end gaming PC. It’s just more convenient to turn on a play. Where lately, my gaming PC distracts me with emails, YouTube, random kinks like it can’t see my controller.

I don’t think Ill ever buy a gaming PC anymore and might fully switch to buying Steam Decks every few years.

SteveFromMySpace, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive

I have pretty much the entire N64 library on a cartridge that plays on my N64, an SD card in my Wii, and my computer. Obviously these are all legitimate backups from games I own.

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NocturnalMorning,

Obviously these are all legitimate backups from games I own.

Doing the lords work

PopOfAfrica, (edited )

My rule is that if they don’t sell the game for the original system anymore, then it’s not stealing.

Stealing from who. The used market?

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Which they and every other gaming company have tried to kill at one point or another, and I fully expect them to try again next Gen. They probably hope that the people who pay attention and care are getting older and won’t make as much of a fuss as we did with the last three generations.

PopOfAfrica,

Thankfully hacking systems has never been easier. I’m literally downloading games on a fan Eshop for my Wii U as we speak.

Serves them right for closing it all down

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not easy having to pay to keep a warehouse with every arcade cabinet, game cartridge, and game disk ever made, but we can’t be violating copyright, now can we? Think of the corporations!

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Barring me from getting old games in a modern platform will not stop me from playing old games on a modern platform.

The sooner they realize that and plan accordingly by releasing their old catalogs for appropriate pricing, the sooner they will get what they want and piracy and emulation will plummet.

When people have a cheap and easy way of doing something without wondering if they’re about to get SWATed, they’re way more likely to actually do that.

RightHandOfIkaros, (edited )

I’m sure you meant it as hyperbole, but SWAT will not actually show up to anyone’s home just for pirating video games. At most, a handful of local police or FBI may knock on your door, but SWAT are not called in for something like that. Not unless you have some history with the police of extreme violence or you have given them reason to suspect you are going to put up a fight.

A person is most likely to recieve a letter in the mail or an email from the lawyers of Nintendo before police are invovled.

CodexArcanum, do gaming w Wouldn't have it any other way

His daughter is the SteamDeck, only loaded with indie games and more emulators.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I thought his daughter was a sega Jyn-esis?

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Does this mean that she’ll end up dying in an atomic explosion?

Aggravationstation,
son_named_bort,

I emulate on the SteamDeck more than I ever have on any PC. It’s such an easy emulation machine.

x4740N, do gaming w Wouldn't have it any other way

I used to play the free online version of that on friv games in primary school

jerkface, do gaming w Someone has to keep the retro spark alive
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Nintendo ruined the 8-bit computer game culture and I will never forgive them.

cosmack,

How so?

theangryseal,

I second this question.

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