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woelkchen, do games w Nexus Mods Fine With Bigots Leaving Over Removed Starfield ‘Pronoun’ Mod
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Wait, the mod removed the option to set a gender in the character editor? Why don’t these people just make a male character and be done with it?

ForgetReddit,

They need to force their views on others. If anyone believes what they believe, then they are suddenly just like everyone else instead of the bigot they know they are deep down

underisk, (edited )
@underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

They aren’t really forcing their views on anyone though, they’re just jacking themselves off. No nonconforming person is going to download this and inflict it on themselves, and they have no reason to use it themselves unless they’re just really closeted and lack the will to not express their own nonconformity. It can literally only exist to rile people up who sought out the mod specifically, which includes only them.

ForgetReddit,

If they weren’t trying to force their views on others they’d just make their character a guy and move on. They go through the trouble of coding this mod to push their agenda on others.

underisk,
@underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

What I’m trying to say though is that most of them just do make their character a guy and move on. They don’t need the mod and the people who they think do need it aren’t going to install it. It’s not just a transparent attempt to ignite culture war arguments online, but it’s a stupid and ineffective one.

AmbleHamble, (edited )

The point of the mod is not to change something in game, its to appear in the list of mods and remind some people that they are hated and bigots will never stop hating them.

Its a weird “I was here, and I hated x people”.

Schadrach,

I have trouble imagining enough people wanting to download a mod to do this to get it to appear on anything but the most recent releases list, and to only be on that list long enough for some other mods to get released.

AmbleHamble,

Well, the type of person that would do this wouldnt be opposed to spoofing the number as well. And they can just keep reuploading the mod so it’s always appearing in the list.

The point is, their ineffective methods still worked a little. Ruining someone’s day, hour or even minute is validation enough

jjjalljs,

Apparently nexus mods has some sort of ad sharing with mod makers. Could be a grift. Grift is popular among right wingers, possibly because they are on a fundamental level stupid.

Some grifter makes an anti “woke” mod that probably took 5 minutes. A bunch of stupid chuds download it to pwn the libs. Grifter makes money. Chuds feel good about their shitty lives.

Blamemeta,

How does installing a mod on a single player game force views on anyone?

buddascrayon,

Insisting that Nexus Mods should host this bigoted mod is the losers who walk in fear of “woke culture” trying to enforce their bigoted views on the rest of the world. The assholes are still free to install that mod but Nexus Mods is just as free to not host that trash.

VoterFrog,

I can think of one: a parent who installs this before letting their child play it to enforce their culture of hatred within their house.

zoostation,

Then they couldn’t do their performative outrage, which is all they have.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Because they’re little fucking babies.

Jimbo,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

Looking throughout history, aalways have been

darq,
@darq@kbin.social avatar

Because it's not actually about the pronouns. These people aren't actually angry about pronouns.

They're angry about trans and non-binary people. They're angry that people are growing to accept these people, who they do not think should be accepted. They are angry that a group they don't think is normal, is being accepted as normal.

Sludgehammer,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think it’s even about that, they’re angry because the want to be angry. The why doesn’t matter, if the current right wing outrage du-jour had been… I dunno, left handed people rather than trans people, you’d see all the same people working themselves into a screaming tantrum if a game or movie had a left handed person in it.

RaincoatsGeorge,

For sure. And when there’s not enough people focused on trans people they’ll shift their focus to some other marginalized group to harass.

These limp dicked losers have literally nothing better to do but jerk each other off in their seedy racist forums and message boards.

Stanley_Pain,
@Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Oh no, it’s very much hatred. The same hatred they had for black or gay people.

librechad, (edited )

Who the hell are you to say that I hate black and gay people? You’re overgeneralizing a group, how much different are you in this case? Stop with that man, this is why we can’t have actual debates.

Stanley_Pain,
@Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The problem is you want to debate.

There’s no debate. No one has to tolerate your intolerance.

Gay people exist. Trans people exist. Fin.

librechad,

Stereotyping people and overgeneralizing things without actually debating your point is ridiculous. Grow up man.

DarkThoughts,

And the "replaced white people". And the female leaders. If someone wants a taste, go through the Steam forums for the game. It's a complete deranged mess.

Ultraviolet,

Steam forums are the absolute bottom of the barrel for game discussion, maybe tied with 4chan.

transigence,
@transigence@kbin.social avatar

It's not "about trans and non-binary people," it's about the injection of identity politics into video games. The removal of the mod shows that activist fiat is necessary to present the illusion that people buy into gender ideology.

pivot_root,

Pronouns, gender, genitals, etc. in player-character customization are just yet another option for someone to tailor their gameplay to whatever experience they want.

The only identity politics comes from the people politicizing it.

Laticauda, (edited )

The existence of trans and nonbinary people is not an injection of identity politics into video games. The fact that they exist and a video game is acknowledging their existence is not political.

mindbleach,

No no no, you have to break their brains.

Ahem:

White people in a video game is political. Statistically, the default is Han.

ForgetReddit,

Wow 2+2 is 4 in this video game??? Didn’t know it’s going so WOKE

nadir,

You just but I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

Conservatives have a long running feud with the sciences.

Schadrach,

I thought 2+2=4 was anti-woke? Wasn’t there a whole weird Twitter drama thing a couple of years ago where 2+2=4 was considered the racist side?

jjjalljs,

did a bot write this? what are you even trying to say?

Are you one of those people that thinks anything that’s not straight cis white is “identify politics”? That anything that isn’t your world view is “political”? If so, please go fuck yourself. If not, I have no idea what you’re on about.

pivot_root,

Not a bot; just a bigot. If you scroll to the very bottom, a good 30% of the total comments are this guy digging a hole trying to prove it’s “woke” society that’s the problem and not him.

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s legitimately just sad. What a pathetic individual.

pivot_root,

It got worse:

The only thing left to fight for is the right to indoctrinate very young school children into gender ideology and show them, graphically, how to be gay.

Either a troll, or too far gone to help.

nadir,

Teaching children how to be gay, sure.

Hey, Children. If you like somebody and they like you back, don’t worry about which gender you think you belong to.

People can love people no matter if they are the same gender or not.

mindbleach,

“Identity politics” always seems to mean “I am upset that different people exist.”

This is a nothing option in a video game. Nobody’s rubbing your nose in it. It doesn’t affect you, at all, but it’s a neat little extra for other people. Do you give a shit about other people? Or does the mere possibility of anyone distinct from you, the protagonist of reality, fill you with emotions you can’t handle? There’s no third option, here. It’s a checkbox for how NPCs choose voice lines, in exactly the same way they’ve done for decades. It’s just separate now.

But of course one glance at your profile shows you’re an unapologetic bigot, and what you mean by “gEnDeR iDeOlOgY” is exactly what every other diet Nazi means by it: you hate queer people, and you want it to be their fault.

Out.

darq, (edited )
@darq@kbin.social avatar

,"Identity politics" in this case meaning "trans and non-binary people exist and are trans or non-binary respectively".

The removal of the mod shows that activist fiat is necessary to present the illusion that people buy into gender ideology

Bullcrap. It shows nothing of the sort. It shows nothing more than that NexusMods doesn't feel like hosting assholes.

Kirkkh,

I mean if you don’t want to “buy into gender ideology” you should be non-binary and not pick a side there Chet.

query,

It’s only politics because people go out of their way to oppress them. There’s nothing to be political about if people are allowed to be who they are.

amio,

Yeah, having that "he/she/they" toggle and calling sex "body type 1 and 2" instead of male/female sure is political. You know when it became political? When people saw them and went "REEEEEEEEEEEEE" because they're bigoted dumbfucks.

decivex,

The fact that you unironically used the term 'gender ideology ’ proves that you are, in fact, a bigoted little shit.

IHaveTwoCows,

I can’t imagine being such a pussy that pronouns in another character’s profile would make you cry from extreme butthurterie like a little beta wuss

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Because REEEEEEEEE

NuPNuA,

The crazy thing is how hysterical they’re being over something you can fail to even notice is there. It gave me male pronouns as I choose the male body type, and the button prompt to change it is hidden way down at the bottom of the screen. It’s literally on screen for a few seconds and then never mentioned again in a game with hundreds of hours gameplay.

AmbleHamble,

Yeah, I’d see reaction videos before I played, and I honestly couldn’t find how to change my pronouns for a good 30 seconds.

God, Bethesda sucks at UI.

NuPNuA,

Yeah, it took me ages to realise the prompt was at the bottom of the screen, I didn’t even want to change them, I was just wondering why it set off such a wobbler with the bald bloke.

Blamemeta,

Does it matter? I have a mod to improve blood splatter, does murder meet your approval?

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

If someone made a “killing Jews” mod it wouldn’t be allowed either.

Nazis aren’t welcome.

underisk, do games w Nexus Mods Fine With Bigots Leaving Over Removed Starfield ‘Pronoun’ Mod
@underisk@lemmy.ml avatar

Does anyone even install these mods or do they just exist for people to get outraged at?

eutsgueden,

Mostly the outrage.

Rottcodd,
@Rottcodd@kbin.social avatar

I would imagine a bare handful of people install them.

There's some number of people who are so angry and stupid that the mere sight of something like an option to choose pronouns fills them with blind, seething rage, so for them, mods like this are essentially QOL improvements.

More's the pity...

genoxidedev1,

Small government alpha males scared of having the option to choose he/him as their pronouns

RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

option to choose pronouns fills them with blind, seething rage

Yeah I was there when BATTLETECH (still dunno why its name has to be so LOUD :P ) launched. Every hatefool was raging about it, apropos of anything or nothing. Try to talk about any part of it and it's "OH YOU MEAN FUCKING PRONOUNWARRIOR?!?!" and a bunch of incoherent senseless bile. There's a sizeable group of people who deeply love being offended, and it's not us (queerfolk/LGBTQIA+/QUILTBAG/GSM/whatever). Like, I'm neck-deep in queer over here and every time I play a game with a pronoun selector at the beginning I promptly forget about it but oohhhh nooo, not these bellends. They somehow think a button at the beginning of the game that matters like three times ever has entirely DESTROYED videogames with LIES and FALLACIES 🙄

They'd be a joke and an insignificant oddity if they didn't deliberately make messes of everything else (say, going to MWLL/other games, ranting about "pronounwarrior," pretty sure some critters got teamkilled over it...) for no good reason.

Rottcodd,
@Rottcodd@kbin.social avatar

They'd be a joke and an insignificant oddity if they didn't deliberately make messes of everything else

My opinion exactly.

In ways, I actually feel sorry for them. In the first place, it has to suck just to be that angry and spiteful, but underneath that, it must really suck to feel so powerless and desperate and insecure that something as trivial and irrelevant as pronouns can send you into a compensatory rage.

My pity is greatly diminished by the fact that they're toxic assholes who try to force the world to accommodate their own failures though.

mindbleach,

I just cannot get over what a terrible name “quiltbag” is. How do you say that out loud and not immediately think better of it?

RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

Well, it's... pronounceable? Technically?

Okay I don't actually like it and don't know anycritter who does but it's there soooo putting it there seemed like a good idea at the time? 🤷

Laurentide,
@Laurentide@pawb.social avatar

Meanwhile, my canonically enby commander is rocking a fabulous magenta mohawk and having fun headshotting all the King Crabs so they can sell them to afford catperson surgery.

RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

Hah! Good luck with that :3

(Same but mine doesn't have the mohawk and doesn't specifically hunt KGCs :P ^.^ )

Laurentide,
@Laurentide@pawb.social avatar

I’m not hunting them specifically, their cockpits just happen to be magnets for my Marauder’s laser and autocannon rounds. :P

The first one I saw, in an early “titan” mission, got taken out by a single alpha strike from long range and dropped three salvage. (I renamed it Queen Crab when I noticed that some parts of the mech were white after applying my blue/pink paint scheme.)

SolOrion,

Wait, Battletech? The turn based one? From 2018?

That’s amusing. I played that a couple months ago. I don’t recall ever selecting a pronoun, but I’m sure I did and then just moved on like a normal person.

RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, that's the one. There was so much outrage because it had the word "pronoun" in it at all 🤣It's just a little thing on the side during character creation and its effect is absolutely trivial. Actually I think the other MechWarriors 'have pronouns' too if you deliberately open the character editor for them. It's really the bare minimum, like I'm trying to come up with something sarcastic but those people were freaking out over nnnnooothing like the one word in one game is gonna ruin videogames for them forever, or some crap.

Which, like... if we could somehow trans so hard they'd go away don't they think we'd do it instead of just getting yelled at?

sugar_in_your_tea,

I’ve seen that in videos, but I always assumed it was for show to get their viewers riled up. I honestly can’t imagine an actual person doing this on their own, unless they were encouraged to do it by some influencer.

As in, how many people fire up a game, get mad that pronouns exist, and then search online for a “fix”? I think that number is pretty small.

But then again, I tend to be pretty careful about distancing myself from bigots.

Rottcodd,
@Rottcodd@kbin.social avatar

I think that number's pretty small too.

I'm just saying that it's not zero.

Blamemeta,

I can see someone with a modlist with 252 mods in it adding one just to max it out, and a plugin like this wouldnt conflict with much.

Metal_Zealot, (edited ) do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

Remaster as in upscaled graphics and leaving the janky controls untouched and unoptimized?? Or as in a whole reimagining that bastardizes the source material?

freebread,

Interestingly- I’ve found a few people not only think that there won’t be a new control scheme, they actually hope that they don’t add one. To their point, I guess the game would fall apart navigating the exact same environments with more responsive controls.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

That'd be like playing Goldeneye 64 on a PC with mouse look. It'd be hilariously easy because all of the enemies are tuned to be handleable with the primitive control scheme.

PraiseTheSoup,

I take it you didn’t play the recent GoldenEye rerelease with modern gamepad controls?

all-knight-party, (edited )
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Which one? I played the one that was released on Switch, which is just the OG and had the same controls. What do you mean recent? You mean the 2010 remake?

PraiseTheSoup,

Nah that’s the one. January 2023. On Xbox it has options for modern controls. I didn’t play it on the switch.

all-knight-party, (edited )
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Oh wow, how's it hold up? I think the Xbox version of that 2010 remake came out in 2011, the original was a Wii game. I assume that means they made it backwards compatible.

That's a full on reimagining of the original game, new Bond and everything, so the balance wouldn't be comparable to playing the actual original with modern controls, but I heard it was a better game than you'd expect from messing with the original Goldeneye.

I was talking about the original Goldeneye 64 that came out on Switch's NSO N64 games.

PraiseTheSoup,

I don’t know anything about the 2010 bond game. Blood stone? I had to go look it up, never even heard of it.

What I’m talking about is just a rerelease of the OG N64 Goldeneye. It came out on switch and Xbox earlier this year.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

It'd be hard to find because it's just called GoldenEye 007 link

I didn't even know there was a modern control scheme in that, wow! How's that mess with it?

tal,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

The new world has to be pretty similar to the old, given that the article says that one can flip between the modern and original graphics.

Talking of nostalgia, all three games are being released with an option to switch between the original blocky polygon graphics, and lovely patched-over modern designs. If it’s anything like the Monkey Island remakes, this means I will spend the entire time obsessively switching back and forth, unable to cope without knowing how every scene looks in each incarnation.

Hadriscus,

So, like HaloCEA and Halo2 Aniversary. But these work fine because the originals already had decent geometry to work with. TR1-3 though ? The levels are basically cubes upon cubes. Not sure how they’ll make that work

MooseBoys,

The Halo remakes were shit because they made the “original” version look way worse than it actually was on the original Xbox. The main reason is a handful of clever texturing techniques for bump mapping that they didn’t bother replicating in the remake. The result was much flatter-looking textures.

Hadriscus,

So ? How is that relevant

raptir, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year

I’m usually one to say games are fine as is and don’t need a remaster… but these show their age

lustyargonian, do games w The Crew Motorfest Is A Wackier, More Frustrating Forza Horizon

It’s crazy how Forza Horizon came out of nowhere when NFS, TDU, GRID were having their time and has now become the benchmark of arcade racing. Or in other words, devs from all these franchises joined playground to make Forza Horizon what it is today.

WEAPONX, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year

I hope they will modernize the controls and camera.

Jackthelad,

In a way, the tank controls were part of the challenge.

Hopefully they give you the option to use classic or modern controls.

verysoft, (edited )

Yeah, would spend ages as a kid lining up for a jump, only to end up jumping off to the left into a pit of wolves. Good times.

Oh, in game too.

Nefyedardu,

*and make it optional. Like REmake

GreenMario, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year

Wasn’t Tomb Raider Anniversary a remake of TR1?

Anyways if good and the price is right sure.

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

Remake != remaster

Jackthelad,

Yeah, but it was shit.

Poggervania, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

Can we just… not get remasters and remakes anymore? I’d rather just have the OG games re-released digitally as-is, and let AAA companies explore new IPs or allow them to be creative in the universe of already-existing IPs.

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

AAA companies aren’t making these remasters, they are typically handled by small studios that specialize in exactly this kind of work.

Most of the work of re-releasing these old games is porting the old code to new platforms. Making them run at higher resolutions and frame rates is usually not all that much effort in comparison, so you might as well do it.

Frankly it’s kind of weird to complain about the existence of a product nobody is forcing you to buy.

Spellinbee,

Exactly, this game I believe is being done by Aspyr. While KOTOR was a remake obviously, it was the last time they tried to do a big game and it apparently was a disaster.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Makes sense, some of their port jobs on switch I would consider as disasters. If they really remade KOTOR and completely boned it I'd hate them even more than I already do. That sounds a little harsh, some of their ports are passable.

echo64,

People don’t buy games as-is. They need at least some modern conveniences to be palettable. And frankly this is about as close to what you are asking as is reasonable.

tal, (edited )
@tal@kbin.social avatar

Can we just… not get remasters and remakes anymore?

I'd like to have HD versions of a number of older 2D games that I enjoy re-released.

Honestly, I'd like to have HD versions of some newer games that were originally done with low-resolution graphics, like Binding of Isaac and Caves of Qud. Nothing wrong with low-resolution graphics -- I think that it enables shifting resources to developing gameplay, and that that's often a good tradeoff -- but those games did well, and I'd be willing to pay for flashier graphics.

If you look at Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, it's gone from ASCII to graphics to significantly-prettier tilesets. Dwarf Fortress did something similar. I think that that shows that there's demand for it.

I appreciate that not everyone wants that, but I would.

turkalino, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year

lara croft’s boobs gonna go from 6 triangles to 6000000 if they use unreal

SeaJ,

That would be a remake.

mojo,

They’re remastering the graphics (at least somewhat, doesn’t look super amazing), and they’re leaving a toggle that lets you swap back to the glorious triangle boob graphics at the flip or a switch.

Crackhappy, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

If they really stick to the source and just update it, it could be great.

verysoft,

So you mean actually remaster instead of remake?

arefx, (edited )

Can you not stick close to the source material but make it all new and nicer? Lol God this place is just as pedantic as reddit and annoying as reddit. It really is a human problem and not a platform problem.

verysoft,

tf u on about

Mereo, do games w Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3 getting remasters early next year

When I hear remaster, I now hear Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition.

Jackthelad,

Don’t ruin my hopes and dreams, I’ve been waiting for this remaster forever. 😭

XTornado, (edited )

There is a video already from the Nintendo direct so you can see already how it looks graphical wise.

Jackthelad,

It’s not the graphics I’m worried about.

The GTA trilogy had shoddy performance.

MonkderZweite,

One word: Mods

Usually_Lurker, do xbox w Studio Behind EA's Magical FPS (Immortals of Aveum) Has Layoffs After Low Sales

Also, this is something new and different. FPS games have been my go to for years now. A FPS with abilities and magic instead of guns seems like it could be fun. Something like a simple multiplayer demo could let people get a taste of what this is and try out. I likely wouldn’t drop $60 on it just to try it out. But I would buy it after playing if it was fun and offered a different experience.

AlexanderTheGreat,
@AlexanderTheGreat@lemmy.world avatar

I was thinking the same thing. It would have been a good gamepass game. Especially since there was almost no marketing for it from what I saw lol.

altima_neo, do xbox w Studio Behind EA's Magical FPS (Immortals of Aveum) Has Layoffs After Low Sales
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I didn’t even know it was a square game.

avater, (edited ) do xbox w Studio Behind EA's Magical FPS (Immortals of Aveum) Has Layoffs After Low Sales
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

sad, game was pretty good.

proper, do xbox w Studio Behind EA's Magical FPS (Immortals of Aveum) Has Layoffs After Low Sales
@proper@lemmy.world avatar

I hadn’t even heard of this game til now. maybe that lack of marketing was a factor.

lolzy_mcroflmao,

Obviously different marketing preferences, but I hadn’t stopped hearing about this game for months

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

I don’t know if it’s the same game, but I saw a guy on YT make a little model glove thing as a sponsored prop for a game and I think it was this.

The talking points sounded like it was a cheap mobile game, and I only heard about it like a week before this.

Katana314,

The marketing really seemed to focus on the story, which definitely seemed like a bad idea.

“We came here to stop Sandrak from winning the Everwar.”

That line got blasted at me a thousand times. Who’s Sandrak, and who cares? Why are teen fiction writers taking charge of the war’s name?

CluckN,

I think releasing right between Baldur’s Gate 3 and Armored Core 6 was a bad idea.

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