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Sarmyth, do games w Devs should not be "forced to run on a treadmill until their mental or physical health breaks", says publisher of Manor Lords, citing how gamers seem to be trained to expect endless content work now

Don’t take early access money if you don’t plan to be giving frequent updates. It’s the nature of the beast.

People don’t expect constant updates from pokemon because when you buy it, it’s “a complete game”. They may drop patches and add content but it’s not expected the way it is from a game supposedly in active development like an early access game is.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

Don’t buy an early access game if you expect a complete package.

Sarmyth,

It’s not expecting a complete package at the time of purchase. It’s expecting one in due time with your support.

What you are describing is a game outside of early access.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

Why are those your expectations, then? Seems kind of illogical to look at a system with a history of not that, expect it, then be mad.

You can say it’s not right for it to happen, but to be expecting it just makes no sense at all. Again, I’ll reiterate, you can argue that the system is fucked and needs to change, but, again, expecting an outcome with evidence that it won’t happen, then get mad, is asinine

Sarmyth,

No need to make things up. My expectation is what we get most of the time. You’re the weirdo acting like it’s not. This article is just a developer trying to move the goal posts of expectations yet again.

Like how much of a cuck for these businesses do you want to be?

It’s not illogical to expect a developer to follow the basic standards of the industry they opted into. It would be illogical to declare them the exception.

Small teams drop regular media and content updates all the time without people dying at their desks. The conversation of their working conditions is between them and their bosses (maybe the state), and not their customers.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

You accused me of making things up and called me a weirdo, honestly you’re a waste of breath.

What did I make up, exactly? Are your feelings always this sensitive?

Sarmyth,

You made up what my expectations were then argued against that instead of reality. Keep shilling though.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

You LITERALLY said your expectations, dork. I didn’t make up shit, you fucking said it yoursel

I’m not shilling, but good try with that one

Sarmyth,

I did write my expectations. So why was that your response? You called expecting the norm illogical. I take it back. You’re just unrealistic and assume everyone else should be too.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

You just said I made up your expectations then that yeah you did write them out

So which is it? Did i make it up or did you write them?

Sarmyth,

I wrote them out and you made up something different. Fuck man. How many times do I gotta break it down? You not reading didn’t make my words not exist. This is like… common stuff. This whole argument is making sense now…

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

I didn’t make up anything different at all, you fucking asswad. Liar

Sarmyth,

I also believe you are a liar now. It’s all in text.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

Exactly, any dipshit can see the chain of events that show you’re just a troll.

ahal,

Nah screw that… don’t buy early access games if you don’t think it’s worth it in it’s current state.

Sarmyth, (edited )

Naw screw that. Don’t label it early access if you don’t plan to update it from its current state at a rate that the majority of your fan base expects.

That said the dev in this article has provided 3 updates in 3 months. They’re totally fine by the expectations of all but the most unreasonable people.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

Or just don’t buy a game with expectations that don’t match reality and then get mad at other people.

Typical gamer brain rot

Sarmyth,

But my expectations match the norm! You are stupid.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

Again, typical gamer brain rot

Obviously not, otherwise this discussion wouldn’t be happening. You get that right? This thread wouldn’t exist and there would be no point to talk about this at all.

Use some brain cells

Sarmyth,

OR you are stupid. I’m just not gonna sugercoat it by pretending adding “gamer” to “brain rot” means anything but you exposing your bias.

If you wanna call me stupid, just do that. Don’t tell on yourself.

A gamer is the target audience of the article and this community.

IllIIllIllIIIIl, (edited )

So much entitlement with you lol, yeah and the article is calling you out for being whiney children and demanding things from devs at an unnecessary pace.

Sarmyth,

The article is attempting to move the established goal posts for expectations. Stop shilling for these guys. You don’t need to carry their water. The devs know this, which is why they’ve kept pace. They’re just bitching about having to.

It’s so unreasonable yet we do it. Woe is us.

IllIIllIllIIIIl,

Holy shit you’re a fucking moron, dude.

Sarmyth,

The feeling is mutual.

ms_lane,

Both are true though.

If you want to release your game in Early Access, you should expect to update the game and community frequently.

If you want to buy a game (early access or not), take a look if it’s what you want to play right now, never buy any game, software, service or device that is promising the functionality you want will be coming later. If it does come later, buy it then, never buy on promises.

BilboBargains, do games w Devs should not be "forced to run on a treadmill until their mental or physical health breaks", says publisher of Manor Lords, citing how gamers seem to be trained to expect endless content work now

Remove ‘gamers’ and insert ‘bloated management’.

cheddar,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

Is it bloated management who complains on social media and forums?

whotookkarl, (edited )
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Gamers are not asking devs to work until burnout on social media or forums, that’s management and usually in person or department/company policy and procedure.

Edit: more specifically to the article for solo devs they are talking about critics complaining they should have made something bigger which is not a bad problem to have for securing funding for future games if people like your art enough to request more and doesn’t require working burnout hours.

theangriestbird, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

Glad they still left Frank lookin like a caveman

darkghosthunter, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

Capcom is on a row giving fans what they want and making millions from it. Compare that to Square Enix.

Vodulas,

I thought the FFVII remakes were pretty well received?

darkghosthunter,

I don’t remember quite well, but it sold well, but not well enough for a AAA franchise.

millie, do gaming w Mod support in Baldur's Gate 3 will be final handover moment to players, says Larian CEO

I’d love to see someone figure out how to up the player limit or link games. Baldur’s Gate would be such a great medium for a D&D roleplay server if it could be set up to handle it.

Drigo, (edited )

Iam pretty sure I have already seen a mod do that. It upped the limit to 8 https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/327

Rakonat, do games w Images leak of Valve's next game, and it's an Overwatch-style hero shooter

Me reading the headline: “Why would Valve make a porn shooter?”

Cethin,

Seeing the Steam store lately I’m honestly surprised there isn’t a porn shooter. Imagine if someone went all in making an OW ripoff, but committed to making adult skins. Think about how much money that could make.

curiousPJ, do games w Images leak of Valve's next game, and it's an Overwatch-style hero shooter

Somehow I get the feeling Valve still had some lingering feelings about the failure of Valve’s TF2 comp and they’re trying to right their wrongs.

mox, (edited ) do games w Images leak of Valve's next game, and it's an Overwatch-style hero shooter
wafflez,

Tysm

Defaced, do games w Images leak of Valve's next game, and it's an Overwatch-style hero shooter

I really like what I see , and icefrog has been working on it for a long time. If he’s involved then I’m interested, the man created the moba genre and IMO the best moba on the market.

Contramuffin, do gaming w Kerbal Space Program 2 studio reportedly shut down by Take-Two

Extremely disappointed. They had some very passionate people on the project and I was hoping that they’ll turn things around over the next several years.

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Embracer announces plan to split into three companies, including "Middle-earth Enterprises and Friends"

GIVE ME A NEW DEUS EX GAME FOR FUCKS SAKE

fckreddit, do gaming w Embracer CEO says it's "way too early" for the company to "start talking about" acquiring new studios

Embracer thinks that by buying studios, it could somehow magically make money. Embracer has no sense of the gaming market or who to sell what games? It has no sense about what projects to greenlight or not. It had already failed once, and it will fail again, most probably.

rimjob_rainer, do games w CD Projekt CFO does "not see a place for microtransactions in single-player games"

Imo they shouldn’t do Witcher 4, you should stop when it’s best. They won’t be able to meet the expectations and only disappoint when people compare it to W3.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

so what if it isn’t as good as w3? it doesn’t ruin w3.

Goronmon, do games w Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom devs explain why it was a much bigger overhaul than you'd think

Always interesting to read about some of the specific considerations to go into features that may not seem that complicated at first glance (especially to the layman).

_sideffect, do games w Helldivers 2 has "performed well ahead of expectations" and topped more than 8m sales

Just bought it on PS5 last night… Playing Solo is VERY hard, at least at the start, as you get overrun by bugs/bots easily.

Today, playing online, a young Spanish kid was on the team who didn’t know English and kept talking on the mic and killing us (his teammates) and then laughing hysterically.

I then killed him and one of our team mates revived him for some reason.

After he came back he tried to hunt me down, but I killed him again, and then no one revived him and he left the game and then blocked me, lol

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