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Here is how the film could look like:

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markovs_gun, (edited ) do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Idk. I think gamers are overly upset about $80 games. While I am sympathetic to not wanting the price to go up, the fact of the matter is that brand new video games cost pretty much the same as they did 30 years ago, while the cost of everything else has basically doubled in that time. I know it’s probably not what is going to happen but if $80 video games are what it takes to get us away from shitty microtransactions in full price games, then I’m all for it. I know the crowd on Lemmy will just say they should make less profit and do neither but that’s just not how the world works right now and nobody is going to do that.

Food for thought- here are some prices in 1996 and today

New video game: 1996- $67 (Super Mario 64), 2025- $70

McDonald’s Big Mac meal: 1996- $2.45, 2025-$9.29

Base package Honda Civic: 1996- $10,360, 2025-$24,250

Average apartment - 1996- $550/mo, 2025- $1,540/mo

Median annual income- 1996- $20,109, 2025- $50,200

Doesn’t one of these stand out?

inclementimmigrant,

And let’s take this outside of the myopic view of only looking at inflation.

visualcapitalist.com/video-game-industry-revenues…

Console gaming revenue: 1996 - 7 billion, 2022 - 30 billion

Let’s look at specifically Nintendo here since we’re talking about Super Mario 64

www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2001/011121e.pdf

2001, 664 million in profit, adjusted for inflation in 2022 dollars, 1 billion.

www.tweaktown.com/news/84668/…/index.html

2022, 1.7 billion dollars in profit.

You forget that in 1996 the gaming pool was also magnitudes smaller compared to today and despite all of the whining about increased development costs, which I also think is bullshit but that’s a different conversation, profits have increased to keep up.

So my opinion, no there’s absolutely no justification for a 80 dollar price point when you look at the over all picture.

JordanZ, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

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  • Zahille7,

    I bought the full collection last year for like $50. $20 for the first three and all DLC, and like $30 for the complete Borderlands 3 (I had gotten the other ones so decided to just get the full series).

    Then I actually went and got Wonderlands and had an actual blast playing it.

    andros_rex, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
    ShaggySnacks,

    Laws only apply to us poors.

    dependencyinjection,

    Weinstein? Diddy? Epstein?

    I think the more apt description would be that when you’re got something that makes other people money, then you will be protected. When that ends you’re fair game.

    I also agree that the more money you have the better defence you can get, but I don’t believe laws only apply to the poor. That’s hyperbole.

    Krauerking,

    So the logic is…

    The laws only apply to the poor except for exceptions where rich are on their way to poor and can be used as examples of the exception .

    dependencyinjection,

    I don’t believe that’s what I said, or at least it wasn’t my intention. I was more trying to highlight that wealthy people (which are not in the way to being poor) will be protected by the people that stand to gain from that protection, not simply for being rich.

    I also explicitly said that the justice system does favour the rich, not in a malicious way but more because we have a system that means rich folk can afford more man hours which translates to a better defence.

    I want to be clear I’m not defending rich folk here, just being a pedant I guess.

    Krauerking,

    Ah yeah we are all pedants here and such while I understand and mostly agree with your comment I now must include.

    Uhh, actually we don’t have a justice system, we have a legal system.

    dependencyinjection,

    Haha how dare you out pedant me.

    andros_rex,

    Weinstein? Diddy? Epstein?

    All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.

    Both Weinstein and Diddy were known dangers in their industry.

    They took Epstein out because you know he had compromat on Trump. Best friends.

    Or - the Cosby shit was an open secret. No one cared until Hannibal Buress started pointing it out.

    dependencyinjection,

    All three of those examples got away with it for literal decades.

    Literally what I’m saying. They got away with it because they had utility for other people and when they no longer did that’s when they get indicted, cause people stop running cover.

    BlameTheAntifa, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    Pitchford gives off some strong “do you guys not have phones” energy. He’s so out of touch it’s astounding.

    But_my_mom_says_im_cool, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    Im always thrown off as a Canadian when I see these headlines because we’ve been paying $80 for games for decades.

    Video games haven’t risen in cost with inflation and they’re much better and bigger now so I’m not super upset, but they are now at the point where I won’t buy a game at release or full price. I think the new price here is $93 cause that’s what the new Indiana jones is going for

    What I hate most is that the game actually costs $150 and they split it and give you a stripped version for $80. I think gta 4 was the last game i truly felt made sense, game releases, we buy it, story dlc comes out later we get it, transaction over. No online bullshit that tries to keep you paying money into the game without end. Not a game split into little chunks and sold as tiers at release

    OsrsNeedsF2P,

    Video games haven’t risen in cost with inflation and they’re much better and bigger now

    I agree with the bigger, but not better tbh

    MoonHawk,

    No one is asking them to grow x50 for every successful game they sell. Sure they have more expenses but how is it in any way relevant to the consumer? There’s no shortage of studios increasing budget massively and then shitting the bed when it comes to quality and actual gameplay. They are literally doing that to themselves.

    3migo, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
    @3migo@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve been a big Borderlands fan for 10+ years. I played through the first one multiple times and loved it. My wife and I bonded over BL1 when we first started dating.

    Was super excited for BL2, and have played it many times throughout the years.

    But the pre-sequel was a let down, and BL3 felt soulless and lacked the same spark as BL2.

    Tiny Tina Wonderlands was great, and felt like a return to what made BL2 so fun.

    All that to say, I don’t have high hopes for BL4, nor will I be paying $80 for it. It just feels like they’re coasting off the brand name at this point and trying to exploit longtime BL players like myself.

    Spaniard,
    @Spaniard@lemmy.world avatar

    What’s your take on the telltale game?

    Krauerking,

    Not OP but Tales from the Borderlands 1 us my favorite of the telltale game collection and has some of my favorite music videos ever and wears its emotions on its sleeve for you to empathize with its characters in clever real ways.

    3migo,
    @3migo@lemmy.world avatar

    I never played the Tales from Borderlands myself, but my wife did and she really enjoyed it. She said it added a lot to the story lore presented in BL2.

    I did enjoy the Walking Dead telltale game along with the Wolf Among Us, though.

    bitjunkie, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

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    mic_check_one_two,

    Unfortunately, the real appeal of the Borderlands series is multiplayer. The games are alright in single player mode, but multiplayer is where it really shines. And cracked copies likely won’t work with multiplayer, because they use game servers for matchmaking.

    dual_sport_dork,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    IIRC all of the past ones have worked over LAN, including over a private VPN if you so desire. I definitely played pirated copies of 1 and 2 with my mates. I had no real desire to get very deep into 3 because the campaign storyline was so stupid, but I don’t doubt you could.

    It’s only online matchmaking with randos that you’ll be blocked from, which if you ask me is not really that much of a detriment.

    neons,

    Theseus’ ship? Borderlands 4 is just the projectfile of borderlands 2 with every part replaced? 😱

    Mustakrakish,

    Would be better than 3

    schwim, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    Or wait the number of years it takes to be on sale for $20.

    Etterra, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    Fuck you, I’m not paying $80 for a game so an executive can get a new Porsche.

    Kazumara, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    If Randy Pitchford was a real CEO he would find a way to make $60 games

    newthrowaway20,

    He’s too busy collecting child porn to bother with running his business.

    Kbobabob,

    Uh, source? It seems like if this were true he’d be in cuffs.

    yeather,

    Per Wikipedia: In 2018, former Gearbox lawyer Wade Callender filed a lawsuit against Pitchford,[42] that alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and “child pornography” at a Medieval Times in 2014. Pitchford clarified that the pornographic film on the USB drive was not child pornography and stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying a sexual act performed by the female actress that he claimed to be similar to a “magic trick”. Gearbox said they would file a grievance with the State Bar of Texas against Callender for “filing a lawsuit that includes accusations that he knows to be untrue”. An August 2019 filing further alleged Pitchford and his employers of contempt. In October 2019, both sides announced that the lawsuit had been dropped, and a joint statement by the parties called the issue a misunderstanding, and further stated that Pitchford had been exonerated.

    CommanderCloon,

    What?

    yeather,

    Per Wikipedia: In 2018, former Gearbox lawyer Wade Callender filed a lawsuit against Pitchford,[42] that alleged that Pitchford had left a USB drive containing sensitive Gearbox information and “child pornography” at a Medieval Times in 2014. Pitchford clarified that the pornographic film on the USB drive was not child pornography and stated that he had saved the pornography for the purposes of studying a sexual act performed by the female actress that he claimed to be similar to a “magic trick”. Gearbox said they would file a grievance with the State Bar of Texas against Callender for “filing a lawsuit that includes accusations that he knows to be untrue”. An August 2019 filing further alleged Pitchford and his employers of contempt. In October 2019, both sides announced that the lawsuit had been dropped, and a joint statement by the parties called the issue a misunderstanding, and further stated that Pitchford had been exonerated.

    mechoman444, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    Just started expedition 33. Omg. So so good!

    Point is… I’ll play something else.

    MITM0,
    @MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

    Listen here, just wait for Menace to release (By Overhype studios) now that’s a proper turn-based game

    simonced, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    Also, let’s not forget the new EULA regarding shift accountsAlso, he made his 'fans" wait while bl3 was only available on the epic store. Fuck this dude, I am done with the franchise.

    ILikeBoobies,

    How is the game being available make people wait? Did PC get the release before consoles?

    simonced,

    Steam customers are out of the loop. We could access the game through epic store, but it’s a separate account, and not everybody has/want one. Hence the wait to release on Steam.

    ILikeBoobies,

    So he didn’t make anyone wait, some people just chose to

    Little8Lost,
    @Little8Lost@lemmy.world avatar

    For small indies it makes sense to publish on the pc epic game store a year earlier to get fundet for simply releasing the game there earlier.
    A lot of smaller indies used that time as a kind of early access and got later super popular on steam, the main pc game store.

    But for a big studio to do something like this is scummy
    They already have a playerbase and a big budget
    I dont even know if payment was involved but there is no other reason i can think of that explains this

    Exusia, (edited ) do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    Randy pitchford?

    THAT Randy Pitchford? The Randy Pitchford that, because he loves magic tricks, downloaded himself some squirt porn (sfw youtube link to moistcritical) on the same thumb drive as company secrets, and then left it at a Medieval Times?The same Randy that grabbed the Claptrap VA by the junk because he was tired of voicing Claptrap for free and had the audacity to ask to be paid so Pitchford tried to intimidate him? The same Randy Pitchford that somehow “lost” millions dollars of Segas money causing Colonial marines to bomb so that they could fund Borderlands 2 and Duke Nukem Forever He’s also not above putting journalists who bad mouth him in his games as petty revenge.

    Fuck that guy. Fuck anything he says.

    brsrklf,

    No, no, you don’t understand, the girl was doing a magic trick! He only consumed that just barely legal content with professional interest in mind.

    Exusia, (edited )
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not gonna sit and tell a man he can’t have a kink preference in his own home on his own time.

    But Jesus fuck on the company thumb drive? Bro is a ceo and cant afford a “personal folder” usb. Here $12 for a 128Gb one on Amazon is not uncommon And then to be so distracted he forgot it.

    brsrklf,

    You’ve missed the part where that was actually something he said. Who cares about what the idiot’s exact kink, he had to save his honour telling people it wasn’t “really” porn.

    finitebanjo,

    I hear he also collected child porn, citation needed.

    CommanderCloon,

    Holy shit, I knew about the “magic trick” girl and thought he was a quirky funny man, but assaulting an artist to force them to work for free? What a fucking asshole

    Exusia, (edited )
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    If I recall the feud correctly, Eddings previously worked on Claptrap as a favor for free (or next to it). As far as the back and forth on Twitter indicates, when he said he wanted “Id like to be paid this time”, Pitchford initially pushed back, and then offered “2x union rates” (whether Pitchford actually offered that or said it on twitter afterward to garner sympathy we may never know), but Eddings refused the offer since gearbox was (at the time) about to make its 3rd lootershooter in a monsterously successful chain and he was one of the most prominent side characters. Thats what triggered Pitchford to attempt to intimidate him in front of a hotel elevator.

    Bro is a blight on Gearbox. And no one is sure how or why the board hasn’t gotten rid of him.

    Krauerking, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

    If I was a real fan.
    Nah na na na na na na na na

    Thank you Gwen Stefani for saying all the na’s for me.

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