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FrogmanL, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

So I appreciate the pushback, but for those of us with the option, what should we choose? Amex? Discover? Bitcoin is non-viable.

I just want a solution, not another problem. I live in America, and we have WAY too many problems already.

ipkpjersi,

People outside of USA don’t even have Amex or Discover as options.

It’s either Visa, MC, or Bitcoin.

FrogmanL,

Yeah, that sucks. I’m open to non US options as well, as long as I can use them here.

XM34,

Wero is being introduced for E-Commerce soon. So that may be an option.

Adderbox76,

As a Canadian, American Express most certainly exists here. A quick google search shows that it exists in the UK as well. I’m going to guess it exists in other major countries as well.

No idea about Discover though. Barely even knew it existed at all.

dragontamer, (edited )

Discover seems to be the best bet to me so far.

Discover is on the JCB, UnionPay, Troy and RuPay. (japan, China, turkey, and India respectively). Probably many more.

Similarly, a JCB card should work wherever Discover is. It’s a billateral alliance.

Oh, and all Discover cards work on Diners Club International because those two networks completely merged.

Alliance members are not 100% acceptance. It seems like 95%+ acceptance though (most JCB will accept most Discover cards and vice versa, though you will get confused looks from the locals). It sounds like there’s a lot of old equipment around the countries that break compatibility but cities and other urban areas with new equipment shouldn’t have any problems.


I’ll probably get a Discover card and start testing this out. I already have Visa and Mastercard but this new censorship issue seems serious enough to make me start supporting a 3rd place competitor.

Between Discover vs AmEx, it seems like AmEx is about elite club / customer service / returns etc. etc. nice features but I’m not sure if it’s worth the price.

Discover is free of annual fees, reasonable cash back, mediocre costs for the merchants (better than AmEx anyway and comparable vs Visa) and a surprisingly huge offering of international compatibility (RuPay, JCB, UnionPay, etc Etc). It seems like the winner to me as a 3rd card to experiment with.

FrogmanL,

Thanks for the info! I’ll start looking into this as well.

njm1314, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

You know if we’re doing a numbers game Australia really exports a lot of shitty stuff. I mean the trade imbalance of fucking garbage Australian bullshit it’s pretty severe.

princessnorah,

…whut? Are you American? Because if so that’s bloody rich. I’ll cop to Murdoch, that’s on us, I’m sorry for that. But what the hell else do we export that’s “fucking garbage”?

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

The biggest TERFs in the planet seem to be either Australian or British, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Also, Murdoch has caused untold damage to America that is gonna take decades or even a century to fix.

princessnorah,

The biggest TERFs in the planet seem to be either Australian

What?? As a trans Australian that’s just completely rubbish. We aren’t having the same anti-trans rhetoric issue here that the US and UK are. In fact the biggest issue we had with TERFs was when Posie Parker came and did a speaking tour.

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like while Australia doesn’t export that much bad stuff, the stuff that does get exported somehow manages to be even worse than other places, for some reason. Collective Shout is a group of TERFs, and Murdoch… well we don’t need to talk about him. And also another bad thing Australia exported was videogame censorship, like the time they banned Hotline Miami 2.

princessnorah,

Sure, Collective Shout is a TERF group but you tried to make the claim that Australia is one of the biggest sources of TERFs on the planet and that’s just rubbish. I’m going to assume you’re American as well.

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

I’m Brazilian actually, but I don’t appreciate organizations from ANYWHERE in the world interfering with legal purchases.

princessnorah,

That doesn’t mean you get to try and say Australia is one of the biggest exporters of TERFs because of this one incident mate. It’s not like we don’t have 'em, but they aren’t destructive to the level of the Yanks & Brits.

Mordikan,

Multiple times now you've accused people of being American for saying that Australia outputs some garbage right wing stuff. Aside from the vampire fuck Rupert Murdoch himself, here is a list:

  1. Sky News Australia (especially through YT and social media)
  2. GB News (based on Australian right-wing media)
  3. News Corp Australia
  4. The Daily Telegraph
  5. The Australian
  6. Andrew Hastie
  7. 7News (this is arguably one of the worst as they sprinkle facts into their narrative to cloudy the waters)
  8. Herald Sun
  9. The Spectator Australia
  10. Quadrant Magazine

All of these media sources and publications output to the rest of the world.
It doesn't matter about "well the UK has more. well the US has more".
Australia is exporting fucking garbage.
This isn't a race to bottom.

princessnorah,

More than half of that is just Murdoch, which we covered already?

Mordikan,

Ok, so you are exporting garbage. Good to know.

princessnorah,

Whatever you need to tell yourself. ✌️

Mordikan,

Oh, and the Murdoch Family Trust owns 40% of the Fox Corporation (which owns the US based Fox News).
So really your argument is the same that a heroin addict might have:
"If you discount my heroin addiction, I'm doing great!"

princessnorah,

That’s nice sweetie.

Mordikan,

Australia has been definitively proven to be the biggest TERF exporter now and you can't even contest it.
You should do something about that, geez.

princessnorah,

Is that what you think you’ve done here? Sweetie, all you’ve proven is that Murdoch is, indeed, a piece of human excrement. Something I admitted to way up there ^^ somewhere. Please explain how that makes us the biggest TERF exporter, because I fail to see the logic, and our laws & politics seem to contradict you. Come on sweetie, I know you’re clever enough too!

Mordikan,

I'm not going to discount Murdock Family Trust just because it makes you feel bad.
As for exports, here you go.
Feel free to try and deny it, seems like something you're used to doing.

Murdoch’s media empire spans multiple countries, with strong conservative influence in:
United States:
Fox News, Fox Business, New York Post (via Fox Corporation)
United Kingdom:
The Sun, The Times, The Sunday Times (via News UK)

Across these regions, Murdoch’s companies control:
120+ newspapers across five countries
Multiple TV networks and digital platforms with conservative leanings

Murdoch’s outlets dominate:
UK: ~25% of print circulation and large digital reach
US: Fox News is the defacto and most-watched cable news channel in the country

I'm sorry if that makes you feel all bad inside, but fix your shit.

princessnorah,

Oh I understand now lovely, you just don’t know what a TERF is! How silly of me. So, a TERF is a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. They call themselves feminists but they aren’t really pro-women. Does that make sense little one? 😊

Mordikan,

Whatever you say, sir.

princessnorah,

Very cool to misgender a trans woman, definitely care about TERFs.

Mordikan,

I don't know what you are and don't care. Only you care about that. To be fair, you did call me "sweatie", so I think I can call you whatever I want given you initiated, sir.

TipRing,

I don’t think any country in the anglosphere has a monopoly on exporting shitty people, but I’m hardly going to throw stones what with this glass house I live in.

pulsewidth,

The trade imbalance? With the US?

Take back your war on drugs, the war on terror, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, your insane tech broligarchy, rhe 2008 global financial crisis, your Evangelical hate brigades (actually you know what take back Mormons and Scientologists and 7th day adventists while youre at it), the GLOBAL trade disasters & inflation caused by Trump and his pissy tarrif wars, the global derailing of climate agreements again by Trump and his idiot Republican allies.

I’ll stop now because I could literally type all day the shit coming out of the US that has been causing immense damage to the rest of us.

What’s Australia’s shit?
Murdoch? He gave up Aussie citizenship and moved to the US in 1985, he’s spent the majority of his working career as an American living in America - we can at best take half ownership of him.
This handful of censorship wowsers taking down some rapey video games?
Mel Gibson?

Enlighten me because I think the numbers of your “trade imbalance” don’t even come close to adding up.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

why bring up the us? “trade imbalance” usually refers to imports v exports of that country.

i think the australian coal industry definitely qualifies as “shitty exports”. they wanted to dig up the great barrier reef to make a coal harbour.

princessnorah,

I’ll add as well, the only reason any of this was possible is FOSTA/SESTA and that’s entirely on the US.

Faydaikin, do gaming w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop | Eurogamer
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Well, a game flopping doesn’t mean they should stop making games. It’s just they probably haven’t learned anything from it.

Almacca, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@Almacca@aussie.zone avatar

Good luck!

0li0li, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

They are ok with murder and war simulation then? ROFL Smells like another religious pressure group tbh, haven’t looked into them yet.

They should go after all violence in games and media then; we’ll see how well they can fend of the pressure… Not sure if they have the ressources to survive that, so I would LOVE to see them try.

princessnorah,

By all accounts they aren’t religious, we don’t have gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism going on here in Aus. They just seem to be TERFs and SWERFs.

tane69,

The religion of pure bigotry seems to be the most popular one these days, especially online

The_Decryptor,
@The_Decryptor@aussie.zone avatar

we don’t have gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism going on here in Aus.

Hillsong says hi.

NutinButNet,

Oh it goes deeper than that.

Check out their FAQ. They’re cool with the dehumanization of males too. They’re only advocating for “dehumanization” against females.

A game about torturing women? Unacceptable.

A game about torturing men? Acceptable 👍

They mention some bullshit about how one happens more often and the other doesn’t so that justifies being hypocrites.

Etterra, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Hey Australia, we’ve got enough stupid moral crusader nut jobs here in America; please stop making yours our problem too.

Azal,

Don’t forget Ruport Murdoch who’s been pushing the right wing agenda across the country is an Australian export. This is not unusual from that country honestly.

pulsewidth,

He is from Australia originally, but he’s been a US naturalised citizen and lived there full-time since 1985, he gave up Australian citizenship 40 years ago.

No backsies.

Bronzebeard,

How about we just send him half way back?

deltapi,

I don’t think South Africa wants him either.

Bronzebeard,

No, the other way. I assume it will be the middle of the ocean

pulsewidth,

Deal if you send just half of him back.

Which half is dealers choice, and no need for a contiguous half. It can be half by volume.

Etterra,

Faux News has been the Right’s propaganda arm since inception, and I’ll call when that decrepit old bastard finally gets his ticket punched.

SereneSadie,

As if the Yankee sycophants are staying in their own lane as ism

Etterra,

Oh uncontested, but when somebody’s septic tank is already full, you don’t need to go shitting in their toilet.

Toes, do gaming w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop | Eurogamer

They still need to finish back4blood!

ampersandrew, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

At this point, I’m convinced that most developers have forgotten how to make a multiplayer game that isn’t live service. Larian still remembers, but you’d think some people who make action games would remember too.

partial_accumen,

I don’t think the developers have forgotten, they just can’t get permission from management to make one because management demands MRR (Monthly Recurring Revenue) as part of the business model because that is valued at 7x EBITDA.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

No, that’s not it. Single player games still get made. You can monetize multiplayer much the same way, but basically no one makes a multiplayer game that you just sell once, maybe with an expansion or two, like they do single player games. Naughty Dog threw their hands in the air and said, “These are the only two options, and we choose single player!” instead of just selling a Last of Us multiplayer game for a single purchase.

Mark12870,

Idk… I just played Phasmophobia yesterday with friends and had a lot of fun. 🤷🏻‍♂️ So its only about people decision for what they want to spend their money.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

What, you mean like a game you only buy once and just play online for free after that? Why would anyone want that?

sad_detective_man, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@sad_detective_man@leminal.space avatar

who is actually buying these? I thought having disposable income would preclude someone from thinking a live service grind that’s dead in a couple of months is a good use of time

Treczoks, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

I’m expecting many services to accept alternative payment methods soon, just to beon the safe side from meddling ex-monopolies.

derpgon,

Stable coins on the rise, buy while they are cheap!

Treczoks,

I thought more of Wero or Taler.

AmazingAwesomator, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop

dear warner brothers games,

what is the end of life plan for this game?

sincerely, everyone

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

Thinking of picking it up a month after release?

They haven’t had successful plans for the life of games.

brsrklf, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop

Still needing an excuse to fire more people?

MITM0, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

They can lobby ? Ok they’re a threat

TachyonTele, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Why are you censoring words?

november,

+1

Self-censoring words like “sexualize” is part of the culture responsible for this.

chicken,

Kind of inevitable when automated moderation becomes the norm

november,

I was gonna say that’s not necessary here, but actually many Lemmy servers do have a completely asinine word filter, and the devs have never heard of the Scunthorpe Problem.

filcuk,

That censorship is from the article itself…

Bronzebeard,

Went to Google scunthorpe problem…figured it out as I typed it.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

it’s a quote

ICastFist, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Nitpick: I’d like to know what part of incest implies violence and abuse.

Btw, does anyone know if Madmind Studios’ games were delisted as well? Agony and Succubus would make the fuckwits of Collective Shout shit themselves

SirSamuel,

Leaving aside how gross it is, and separate from whether corporations should be the arbiters of morality:

Incest between parent and child, even if the offspring is of legal age of consent, would imply an insurmountable power differential as well as likely grooming. Incest between siblings would depend on the age differential and authority structure of the family. It’s not a case of incest=abuse, but of how likely it could imply abuse. The challenge is nuance. The goal is harm reduction

I understand that for some incest porn is enjoyable, not because they would commit incest themselves, but because incest=forbidden=naughty=sexy. Maybe that’s you? In any case, you asked how violence is implied, and that’s my take

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