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Yerbouti, do games w Ubisoft announces studio closure as it lays off 185 staff
@Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works avatar

Gamers won. No executives will lose a dime but 185 workers are screwed because Ubisoft bad and Steam good.

nul9o9,

Ubisoft is bad Steam is good

Yerbouti,
@Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works avatar

Steam is just another soul-less capitalist business. They employ less then 100 people but take 30% on every game sold. They would do the exact same things as Ubisoft if the estimate they could profite more from it.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Right, they profit more by being good. Ubisoft profits less by being bad. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

atro_city,

What does this have to do with Steam?

greenashura,

I wonder who do you think was at fault at the sinking of the Titanic, was it the Iceberg for you?

Yerbouti,
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That’s a stupid analogy. The employees are not responsible for the bad management déecisions, they just want to be fairly paid for doing a job they like. Meanwhile “gamers” are fucking obsessed about trashing a game that isn’t out yet because “nO bLaCK SaMuRai iN my HiStorIc vidiyaGame aBout ficCtiNal chArcTers RuNNInG oN wAlls”. Just dont buy their games.

greenashura,

The travelers of the titanic were not responsible either for the crashing of the ship. Either way you’re missing the point. I didn’t mention a single game, the company which has taken a bad direction because of greed is to blame that developers have now lost their jobs. Not gamers.

Koen967,

We aren’t buying their games, which is why the studio closes.

P00ptart,

Yeah, just go ahead and blame the consumer because the company makes shit product. They keep pushing stuff that the people don’t want. Any business doing this is going to go tits up. That’s just how it works. Are you out there buying 30 extra versions of Far cry to help them out? If not, stfu about it and blame the people in charge, definitely not the consumer.

Majorllama, do games w Ubisoft announces studio closure as it lays off 185 staff

I remember when they said “players should get used to not owning their games”.

Well Ubisoft. You should get used to not getting a penny outta me forever.

Yerbouti,
@Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works avatar

Steam says the same thing and everyone jerks them. Plus the quote was actually out of context.

warm,

While you don't technically own the DRM games you buy on Steam, it's a whole world different than putting games behind subscriptions.

mox,

It’s not Steam’s decision to make. The statement you’re referring to is just Steam highlighting a decision made by the game publishers. Even if Steam didn’t highlight it, it would still exist, as you would see if you read the games’ license terms before paying.

Ubisoft is a game publisher. They actually make the decision that you don’t own the games you pay for.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

valve is a publisher too, and they have the exact same policy for their games.

store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement

mox,

Practically all game publishers do. Sadly, it’s the industry standard.

(By the way, you linked Steam’s subscriber agreement, which concerns Steam’s service and client software, not the games bought on Steam. Maybe you meant to link a Valve game license?)

In any case, it doesn’t matter here, because the complaint was about Steam, not Valve.

Gork,

I’ve never had Steam entirely revoke a game from my library that I paid for though.

kazerniel,
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Eheran,

Mellow_Online1 Officer 20 Sep, 2017 @ 1:55pm Update: Valve has stepped in and keys have been reinstated, previous owners of the game should now have it in their library

Seems like the developer was dumb and steam did everything right…?

kazerniel,
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

Yea, but the whole notion that Steam just lets developers do this, sometimes repeatedly…

Eheran,

What are you talking about? If the developer says XYZ are stolen/bla keys of course steam has to do that? Stop trying to put blame on steam here, they did everything right. First help the developer and then go back once it was clear they were doing bullshit. Not saying steam is a saint, but holy fuck are they the best of all of them by a long shot.

jacksilver,

I don’t get the downvotes. You’re right, everything you “own” in steam is through a license. People just don’t like to admit that we’re willing to let that one slide for convenience.

Yerbouti,
@Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works avatar

Gamers are not always the most unfrozen pogos of the box.

Unforeseen,

Or as I like to say, two buns short of a hamburger

arudesalad,

I may be misremembering but don’t some steam games have no drm? KSP1 and Ultrakill come to mind, are they still on a licence like games with drm?

jacksilver,

You are right - pcgamingwiki.com/…/The_Big_List_of_DRM-Free_Games….

My main arguement though was that it’s not like your steam library is yours without restrictions. You’re agreeing to Steams terms and services and there are lots of ways they can prevent you from playing (most) games you “own”.

Doomsider,

Don’t bother reading the EULA for all commercial software then. You don’t actually own anything you purchase.

Unless you have the code there is no freedom and it is all an illusion.

jacksilver,

Yeah, that’s the point I and the person above were stating.

Doomsider, (edited )

I was pretty sure Steam was getting dunked on because you don’t actually own the games according to the contract. I was just pointing out this is also true of any commercial piece of software.

For example, you go to GameStop and buy a physical copy of your favorite game. When you install it the EULA makes it clear you don’t actually own the product, just a license.

jacksilver,

True but if I own the .exe or physical disk, it’s going to be a lot harder to stop me playing the game than if I’m accessing it through a platform.

Doomsider,

That is a good point.

9bananas,

the downvotes are because it’s borderline misinformation:

whether a game comes with DRM or not has nothing to do with steam, and everything to do with the publisher.

plenty of games on steam are completely DRM free!

(…but the majority does have DRM, which, again, is on the publisher, not steam)

JoeKrogan, do games w Ubisoft announces studio closure as it lays off 185 staff
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The employees should form a cooperative, they are the ones with the skills, the actual producers

Rogue, do games w Can a Steam profile be a real memorial for a lost life?

Personally I think nobody gives a fuck about your profile while you’re alive so why does it suddenly have significance when you’re dead.

Grief is a horrible process that we all go through. Cultural norms are to simply ignore it, suppress it and pretend we’ve moved on.

The digital age preserves a far greater record of our lives than ever before. I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing.

AFC1886VCC, do games w Ubisoft announces studio closure as it lays off 185 staff

Fuck Ubisoft

capt_wolf, do games w Can a Steam profile be a real memorial for a lost life?
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A long time member of our community passed suddenly a little more than a year ago. Her father appended her steam name with “Rest in peace.” He arranged for an online memorial for her online friends and encouraged everyone to DM good memories to her accounts. Her account’s sat there in my friends list, offline, ever since. It was a great way to honor her, I think she’d have loved it.

I just had the unsettling realization that, over time, our friends lists will literally become virtual graveyards.

glimse,

I’ve got a few of those. I’m planning to backup my friend’s Twitter page and all our interactions since his account is private and I don’t want to login ever again (after archiving)

Agent_Karyo, (edited ) do games w Ubisoft announces studio closure as it lays off 185 staff
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It feels like a complete bloodbath with the job situation in the gaming industry in the west.

The worst thing is none of the executives are getting fired (in a proper manner, no golden parachutes and clawbacks on any stock based compensation).

Ledivin,

The worst thing is none of the executives are getting fired (in a proper more manner, no golden parachutes and clawbacks on any stock based compensation).

lol, welcome to the west

novibe,

Yeah? The executives are firing people, to lower costs, make the numbers look better…? Which makes the owners of the business money?

Why wouldn’t the executives get bonuses or golden parachutes if let go? They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do.

Executives don’t make products, provide services, or add any productive value. They are just the face of the owners, and will do the “hard” things for them.

Like lie, commit crimes, do mass-layoffs etc etc.

Cethin,

Executives are responsible for the direction of the company. They aren’t just there to cut costs (at least, not usually). They’re there to see what opportunities the company to move into, and guide them to success.

This is the opposite of what most executives at these gaming companies have done lately. They’ve driven up budgets and pushed them in a direction that makes people not want to purchase their games, causing them to fail.

If a company has to fire employees then that’s the fault of the executives. They should be taking cuts first, not the people who were doing their job well but were just pointed in the wrong direction.

ech,

Do you always argue with people that agree with you? How is that helpful?

Demdaru, do games w Looks like Dragon Age: The Veilguard just received its final major update

I love how you all are so flabbergasted by how simply okay the game was that each and every time someone asks how it is, everyone fumbles for words and cannot express it in any other way than solid, stable mediocre experience. Like lol. So I guess it’s good game, just not a good Dragon Age xD

SuperSynthia, do games w Can a Steam profile be a real memorial for a lost life?

I’ve got two friends that can’t log in anymore. I feel your pain. It sucks a lot for sure. I enjoyed the article, thank you for posting.

One thing I wished they would have explored a little more was the psychological effects these memorial pages have on those left behind. Part of what helped me fully grieve and accept the loss was to eventually stop going to the pages. I guess in some way a false hope kinda starts taking root, at least it was that way for me

nokturne213,

I have one friend on Steam who is incarcerated. My best friend that died is on my PlayStation friends, and Fortnite specifically. For the first year I used to log in to see how long it had been since he last played. As time went on I did that less and less. I still view his profile.

SuperSynthia,

It’s ok friend. Nothing wrong with it, it’s our version of an older person holding on to a newspaper article about their loved one.

Thank goodness we knew them

Habarug, do games w Looks like Dragon Age: The Veilguard just received its final major update

For all the criticism I have heard about this game, I haven’t seen anyone say it’s buggy or runs poorly. The problems people have with the game are way beyond the scope of bugfix patches, so it kinda makes sense to me that the game is as good as it will ever be.

Carighan,
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I mean the game is… okay, anyways. Which in the context of a Dragon Age is disappointing as fuck even after the boredom simulator that was DAI. But it’s not like anything is particularly bad either, not even the dialogue. It’s… fine. Aggressively mediocre, even.

ChristinWhite, do games w Celeste studio cancels "2D explor-action game" Earthblade nearly four years after its announcement

That’s a shame, it looked so cool but I’m glad they’re making sustainable, if difficult, choices.

FlashMobOfOne, do games w Looks like Dragon Age: The Veilguard just received its final major update
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I gave it 10 hours and had to just conclude that, nope, this wasn’t for me. Instead, go get the Dragon Age Origins Ultimate Edition for 5 bucks with all the DLC’s. That game is a work of art and has one of the best expansions ever made.

TheFeatureCreature, do games w Looks like Dragon Age: The Veilguard just received its final major update
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This comes shortly after news that EA lost several billion in market value and Veilguard underperformed, so not surprising at all.

JohnnyMac, do games w Looks like Dragon Age: The Veilguard just received its final major update

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  • acosmichippo,
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    I wouldn’t say it’s bad, but it’s not great either.

    inclementimmigrant,

    It’s a ‘meh’ game at best.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s not that it’s bad.

    It just doesn’t feel like Dragon Age. It’s like Dragon Age if Disney made a DA game.

    AMillionMonkeys,
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    Veilguard is a 3rd person action RPG, not a CRPG. It plays like God of War or something. It has lots of DA characters and lore, though.

    acosmichippo,
    @acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

    the major difference with GOW is that you can pause combat at will to strategize and time abilities/combos with your squad.

    rtxn, do games w Looks like Dragon Age: The Veilguard just received its final major update

    BioWare goes on to state that it is now happy the game is in a “stable place”

    Corpo speak for being comfortable with losing.

    sp3tr4l,

    A flat line is technically a form of stability.

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