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Faydaikin, do gaming w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop | Eurogamer
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Well, a game flopping doesn’t mean they should stop making games. It’s just they probably haven’t learned anything from it.

Almacca, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@Almacca@aussie.zone avatar

Good luck!

Toes, do gaming w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop | Eurogamer

They still need to finish back4blood!

sad_detective_man, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@sad_detective_man@leminal.space avatar

who is actually buying these? I thought having disposable income would preclude someone from thinking a live service grind that’s dead in a couple of months is a good use of time

AmazingAwesomator, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop

dear warner brothers games,

what is the end of life plan for this game?

sincerely, everyone

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

Thinking of picking it up a month after release?

They haven’t had successful plans for the life of games.

MehBlah, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Someone down under needs to send some complaints about them in. There is no way anyone who projects that much isn’t guilty of something.

rumba,

There are lots of people poking at them with sticks. Every time someone does it they post who’s doing it and show it as proof that they’re being oppressed.

Rekorse,

The only thing dumber than your comment is the amount of up votes you have.

MehBlah,

Thanks coming from someone with your post history it means a lot.

Rekorse,

At least sarcasm isn’t dead!

MehBlah,

Its not but that wasn’t sarcasm.

Rekorse,

So my post did mean a lot?

MehBlah,

Oh its a lot of posts confirming what I suspected.

Rekorse,

Well at least you are a good judge of character.

MehBlah, (edited )

I am and of questionable characters as well.

ampersandrew, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

At this point, I’m convinced that most developers have forgotten how to make a multiplayer game that isn’t live service. Larian still remembers, but you’d think some people who make action games would remember too.

partial_accumen,

I don’t think the developers have forgotten, they just can’t get permission from management to make one because management demands MRR (Monthly Recurring Revenue) as part of the business model because that is valued at 7x EBITDA.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

No, that’s not it. Single player games still get made. You can monetize multiplayer much the same way, but basically no one makes a multiplayer game that you just sell once, maybe with an expansion or two, like they do single player games. Naughty Dog threw their hands in the air and said, “These are the only two options, and we choose single player!” instead of just selling a Last of Us multiplayer game for a single purchase.

Mark12870,

Idk… I just played Phasmophobia yesterday with friends and had a lot of fun. 🤷🏻‍♂️ So its only about people decision for what they want to spend their money.

scrubbles,
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What, you mean like a game you only buy once and just play online for free after that? Why would anyone want that?

brsrklf, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop

Still needing an excuse to fire more people?

Deflated0ne, do games w Warner Bros. Games is working on another live-service game, despite Suicide Squad flop
@Deflated0ne@lemmy.world avatar

The statistical possibility of hypothetical profit is worth hemorrhaging millions of dollars and ruining thousands of lives.

Because “capitalism is the most efficient economic model” or some shit.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

In order to be efficient, it assumes people will act at least mostly rationally. It’s one of those things where it’s both true and false at the same time, somehow.

MotoAsh,

Yet they constantly create products that require consumers to be irrational enough to fail to see through their greedy ploys. Almost like it’s all BS lies the greedy fucks tell themselves…

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

No, they tell a lot of those same lies to their consumers, too, so the market is acting somewhat rationally related to what they’re told. It’s why you still have a “buy” button on store pages instead of “purchase temporary license” or “rent”.

MotoAsh,

Yea, like I said: greedy ploys. As long as people remain dumb enough to fail to see it for what it is, it’ll work.

UnderpantsWeevil, (edited )
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

it assumes people will act at least mostly rationally

People generally do act rationally, just not optimally. The difference is rooted in availability of information and accumulation of priors.

“The Marshmallow Test” is a great example. People who are predisposed to distrust authority figures and experience chronic hunger will “fail” the test, because they rationally assume they better take the marshmallow now rather than put their trust in a second marshmallow later. This same group happens to underperform long term, not because they are short-sighted or dim-witted, but because they continue to experience the same psychological reinforcements - unreliable social services, inconsistent access to basic necessities, predation by private industry and law enforcement, notably higher rates of social murder - that lead them to take what’s in front of them rather than waiting patiently for a bigger reward.

The next big market crash will produce this kind of person in spades, just like 2008 and 2001 and 1987 did. As people experience retirement accounts as a scam and schools as a prison pipeline and professional careers as economic dead ends and police as occupying invaders, they stop engaging with these institutions innocently and start dealing with them adversarially.

These rational responses result in a vicious deteriorating cycle of distrust and division. Any individual action rationally follows from the prior experiences. But the system isn’t optimal - people suffer disproportionately the longer these rational actions continue.

Auntievenim,

Another thing I’d like to add, not that your comment wasnt very well argued but just to expand, the rationality of a decision to each individual is still coherent even when talking about sadistic and selfish decisions like those made by the oligarchs and corporate executives. Those actors are not irrational, they are rationally motivated by a completely different structure of stimuli, like you explained.

Capitalism is rational, the issue arises from the fact that a rational decision for someone with billions of dollars is universally irrational to anyone else. You cant expect a system of individualized economic success to allow rationality to be egalitarian.

That’s how we end up in these situations where millions must suffer the failures of a system they never benefitted from while the beneficiaries actively pursue the further dismantling of the system to increase their personal benefits from it.

You cant map the needs of millions and the needs of billionaires onto the same resource pool. The rational actions required to be taken in that environment is what leads to the inconceivable outcomes that make us question actors as irrational. They are personally acting in a rational, self preserving way, which just happens to be the most oppressive and dangerous to the masses.

I think you covered the mindstate of the masses pretty well in your comment, so I wanted to give some exposition towards the other side of the coin. In equal proportion, “Any individual action rationally follows from the prior experiences” applies both to those exploited by the system and those benefitting from it.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Everything needs to be “Always Online” in order to feed the beast that is Big Data.

Noodle07,

You’d think with all that data on gamers they would have learned how to make good games 🤷

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The problem with “good games” is that you can only make them a few times before people stop getting excited.

Mario was a good game. A cloned, reskinned Mario knock off is derivative and hack.

At some point, you need to incorporate new technology, new art, and new game mechanics in order to draw in the crowds. Otherwise, why would I feel the urge to put down money for Starcraft 35 when I’ve got Starcraft 1 & 2 back home?

FrogmanL, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

So I appreciate the pushback, but for those of us with the option, what should we choose? Amex? Discover? Bitcoin is non-viable.

I just want a solution, not another problem. I live in America, and we have WAY too many problems already.

ipkpjersi,

People outside of USA don’t even have Amex or Discover as options.

It’s either Visa, MC, or Bitcoin.

FrogmanL,

Yeah, that sucks. I’m open to non US options as well, as long as I can use them here.

XM34,

Wero is being introduced for E-Commerce soon. So that may be an option.

Adderbox76,

As a Canadian, American Express most certainly exists here. A quick google search shows that it exists in the UK as well. I’m going to guess it exists in other major countries as well.

No idea about Discover though. Barely even knew it existed at all.

dragontamer, (edited )

Discover seems to be the best bet to me so far.

Discover is on the JCB, UnionPay, Troy and RuPay. (japan, China, turkey, and India respectively). Probably many more.

Similarly, a JCB card should work wherever Discover is. It’s a billateral alliance.

Oh, and all Discover cards work on Diners Club International because those two networks completely merged.

Alliance members are not 100% acceptance. It seems like 95%+ acceptance though (most JCB will accept most Discover cards and vice versa, though you will get confused looks from the locals). It sounds like there’s a lot of old equipment around the countries that break compatibility but cities and other urban areas with new equipment shouldn’t have any problems.


I’ll probably get a Discover card and start testing this out. I already have Visa and Mastercard but this new censorship issue seems serious enough to make me start supporting a 3rd place competitor.

Between Discover vs AmEx, it seems like AmEx is about elite club / customer service / returns etc. etc. nice features but I’m not sure if it’s worth the price.

Discover is free of annual fees, reasonable cash back, mediocre costs for the merchants (better than AmEx anyway and comparable vs Visa) and a surprisingly huge offering of international compatibility (RuPay, JCB, UnionPay, etc Etc). It seems like the winner to me as a 3rd card to experiment with.

FrogmanL,

Thanks for the info! I’ll start looking into this as well.

StarryPhoenix97, (edited ) do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

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  • Rekorse,

    Have you played any of these sexual violence games? You aren’t comparing apples to apples here, and there are plenty of books that are much more graphic than acotar or haunting Adeline.

    MITM0, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
    @MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

    They can lobby ? Ok they’re a threat

    Treczoks, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

    I’m expecting many services to accept alternative payment methods soon, just to beon the safe side from meddling ex-monopolies.

    derpgon,

    Stable coins on the rise, buy while they are cheap!

    Treczoks,

    I thought more of Wero or Taler.

    ICastFist, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Nitpick: I’d like to know what part of incest implies violence and abuse.

    Btw, does anyone know if Madmind Studios’ games were delisted as well? Agony and Succubus would make the fuckwits of Collective Shout shit themselves

    SirSamuel,

    Leaving aside how gross it is, and separate from whether corporations should be the arbiters of morality:

    Incest between parent and child, even if the offspring is of legal age of consent, would imply an insurmountable power differential as well as likely grooming. Incest between siblings would depend on the age differential and authority structure of the family. It’s not a case of incest=abuse, but of how likely it could imply abuse. The challenge is nuance. The goal is harm reduction

    I understand that for some incest porn is enjoyable, not because they would commit incest themselves, but because incest=forbidden=naughty=sexy. Maybe that’s you? In any case, you asked how violence is implied, and that’s my take

    Madagaskar_sky, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

    Why is their logo a pink asshole?

    Zozano,
    @Zozano@aussie.zone avatar
    vaultdweller013,

    Now I want to make a slaanesh space marine with this on its pauldron.

    ms_lane,

    Because they’re a bunch of fake feminist arseholes?

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