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bluefootedbooby, (edited ) do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Their logo is a butthole - is this some sort of elaborate troll??

FooBarrington,

No no, it represents the crossroads of learning

bluefootedbooby,

Learning about anal, maybe

thatKamGuy,

e pluribus anus

knife, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

it’s really wild that payment processors have decided to be the arbiter of content on the Internet.

rozodru,

they’ve been doing it since the late 90s/early 00s. Visa and MC have a list of “rules” for porn companies and have had them for decades. Why the vast majority of adult entertainment companies use third party processors like CCBill to specifically deal with that shit.

These dumb fucks in Australia think they’re ahead of the curve or doing “something that has never been done before” but nah man they probably did talk to Visa and MC but highly doubt they pushed them to anything. it was more like Visa/MC said “oh yeah we did this before…yeah we should probably apply what we did to Porn to the gaming industry.”

deltapi,

Australia is pretty weird about porn too. For years their rules basically ensured all female porn actors get boob jobs and took scissors to their labia.

mfed1122,

Never heard about this, what are you referring to?

deltapi,
mfed1122,

Thanks for taking the time to put those resources together for me.

That’s absolutely crazy, my goodness… Some people really are insane when it comes to sex. It reminds me a bit of how you can show soft penises in American TV to some extent without it being considered pornographic, but hard penises are pornographic. But this labia issue makes even less sense than that, because it doesn’t depend on arousal. What a backwards situation

Bronzebeard,

Yeah taking on this role will only bring them more problems. Once you decide to not be content neutral, you are responsible for everything you transmit.

ShaggySnacks,

Don’t forget ad companies! Those ad companies love a squeaky clean, family fun internet.

derpgon,

I also love squeaky clean, ad-less internet. In this timeline, sadly, I get to enjoy both, while only half of that would be enough for me.

Blessed uBlock.

captainlezbian,

The ad companies hear you and are working on it

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Chrome forced DRM for websites (which they are pushing) would end that

Treczoks,

How would I know? uBlock keeps the shit off the machine.

GreenKnight23, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

sounds like it’s time to bring the 90s back. rotten.com here we go.

they want to stop the sale and purchase of adult content, so just give it away for free. shareware that shit and spread it like VD.

SonOfAntenora,

Unironically it will bring more people to dark corners of the net, foul content was always free. Now i’m not going for these games, but also comparing the entire nsfw genre to specific games is disingenuous. At the same time violence and shocking real life images are fine, right?

Nsfw involves adult themes that aren’t sexual.

That means censoring the self expression of consenting adults.

This creates a huge bottleneck that eventually just leads to this growing in the back of the visible. Porn addiction is a problem, sure. How did pre-teens gain access to this content? Didn’t parents give them a fully capable computer at all times?

Back when i used a computer, I only had access to research and office, also flash games. Other than that I had other devices and offline games, on cd.

Modern devices have better parental controls but nobody uses them, old computers had virtually none. Turns out you can do your parenting.

The dangers of this privacy invasive solution is the exposure of personal ID to questionable places, while bringing people towards bad places, that don’t ask for things.

Kinda like pirating a game as a kid, because you couldn’t buy it, but you only got viruses afterwards. Same deal.

AlphaOmega, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Next they are banning sex toy purchases, r rated movies, tabacco, vape and alcohol.

pupbiru,

next they’ll probably want to ban LGBT content since it’s “clearly pornographic”

Geobloke,

Clearly you didn’t read the article

pupbiru,

or i share similar concerns with the person from the quote in the final part of the article…

i’m not sure how bringing up something in the article makes it “clear” that i didn’t read said article

Capricorn_Geriatric,

Nor did you read between the lines.

redwattlebird,
@redwattlebird@lemmings.world avatar

Have you gone to their (Collective Shout) website to check out their successful campaigns? They’ve taken down a manufacturer on Temu who makes silicon heads used for piercing. Apparently the heads looked too much like children.

yermaw, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

This is the worst outcome. At least if those games are for sale you can track who’s buying them and have a list of potential offenders.

amino,

the Stasi are never gonna stop at the particular marginalized group you dislike. plus nobody’s offending shit, being a freak isn’t illegal (yet). acting like it is certainly helps move the overton window that way though

yermaw,

I might not have worded it correctly, but if your aim is to keep women safe from sexual assault, then removing an outlet for people who want to do that, while also removing a potential indicator for that kind of behaviour its a double screw over.

Im well aware that its nothing to do with safety or decency and is just a motte and Bailey attack on our freedoms.

amino,

gotcha, my whole issue was with the whole state surveillance of “dangerous people” part of it, because trans people are gonna end up on that list just for existing

november, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Our objections were to content that involved sexualised violence and torture of women.

Okay so why did m/m smut games get delisted? Get fucked, puritans.

rozodru,

because MC and Visa are morons. According to them in porn 4 fingers and a thumb in a vagina is fine. as soon as you take said fingers and thumb, ball them into a fist, and then stick it in a vagina then they got problems with THAT and it’s a no go.

They have more stupid rules. If you piss on a woman in Europe and film it then it’s fine. If you piss on a woman in the US and film it then it’s not fine. IF you take the footage of someone pissing on a woman IN Europe and SELL it in the US then that’s fine. But Americans are not allowed to pee on Americans on US soil according to Visa and Mastercard.

here’s another one: Incest Porn is not fine according to Visa and MC. “but I see that stuff all the time!” I hear you say dear reader. Yes, because according to MC/Visa you MUST establish that this is a step family relationship in the beginning BUT further into said video you can drop the “step-” moniker and start throwing around regular dads and moms and brothers and sisters all you like.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

But Americans are not allowed to pee on Americans on US soil according to Visa and Mastercard.

So much for ‘land of the free’.

Etterra, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Hey Australia, we’ve got enough stupid moral crusader nut jobs here in America; please stop making yours our problem too.

Azal,

Don’t forget Ruport Murdoch who’s been pushing the right wing agenda across the country is an Australian export. This is not unusual from that country honestly.

pulsewidth,

He is from Australia originally, but he’s been a US naturalised citizen and lived there full-time since 1985, he gave up Australian citizenship 40 years ago.

No backsies.

Bronzebeard,

How about we just send him half way back?

deltapi,

I don’t think South Africa wants him either.

Bronzebeard,

No, the other way. I assume it will be the middle of the ocean

pulsewidth,

Deal if you send just half of him back.

Which half is dealers choice, and no need for a contiguous half. It can be half by volume.

Etterra,

Faux News has been the Right’s propaganda arm since inception, and I’ll call when that decrepit old bastard finally gets his ticket punched.

SereneSadie,

As if the Yankee sycophants are staying in their own lane as ism

Etterra,

Oh uncontested, but when somebody’s septic tank is already full, you don’t need to go shitting in their toilet.

paultimate14, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

As they should have. Why should Steam or Itch.Io have to respond to every tiny cult of religious nutjibs making ridiculous requests?

Geobloke,

They didn’t respond to religious nutjobs, maybe read the article

trashgirlfriend,

TERFism, religon

Potato, potato

paultimate14,

I’m not sure what you are saying here?

Are you saying that Valve and Itch did not respond to Collective Shout? Well, so did I… My comment was saying they were justified in doing so.

Are you saying Collective Shout are not religious nutjobs? That’s an easy mistake to make because their website and branding does a really good job of trying to hide it from a casual researcher, but the founder Melissa Reist is pretty obviously a devout Catholic- she gives interviews with Catholic organizations, appears at Catholic youth camps, and describes herself as a “pro-life feminist”, which is of course an oxymoron. She’s definitely a religious nutjob.

TachyonTele, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

Why are you censoring words?

november,

+1

Self-censoring words like “sexualize” is part of the culture responsible for this.

chicken,

Kind of inevitable when automated moderation becomes the norm

november,

I was gonna say that’s not necessary here, but actually many Lemmy servers do have a completely asinine word filter, and the devs have never heard of the Scunthorpe Problem.

filcuk,

That censorship is from the article itself…

Bronzebeard,

Went to Google scunthorpe problem…figured it out as I typed it.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

it’s a quote

njm1314, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

You know if we’re doing a numbers game Australia really exports a lot of shitty stuff. I mean the trade imbalance of fucking garbage Australian bullshit it’s pretty severe.

princessnorah,

…whut? Are you American? Because if so that’s bloody rich. I’ll cop to Murdoch, that’s on us, I’m sorry for that. But what the hell else do we export that’s “fucking garbage”?

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

The biggest TERFs in the planet seem to be either Australian or British, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Also, Murdoch has caused untold damage to America that is gonna take decades or even a century to fix.

princessnorah,

The biggest TERFs in the planet seem to be either Australian

What?? As a trans Australian that’s just completely rubbish. We aren’t having the same anti-trans rhetoric issue here that the US and UK are. In fact the biggest issue we had with TERFs was when Posie Parker came and did a speaking tour.

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like while Australia doesn’t export that much bad stuff, the stuff that does get exported somehow manages to be even worse than other places, for some reason. Collective Shout is a group of TERFs, and Murdoch… well we don’t need to talk about him. And also another bad thing Australia exported was videogame censorship, like the time they banned Hotline Miami 2.

princessnorah,

Sure, Collective Shout is a TERF group but you tried to make the claim that Australia is one of the biggest sources of TERFs on the planet and that’s just rubbish. I’m going to assume you’re American as well.

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

I’m Brazilian actually, but I don’t appreciate organizations from ANYWHERE in the world interfering with legal purchases.

princessnorah,

That doesn’t mean you get to try and say Australia is one of the biggest exporters of TERFs because of this one incident mate. It’s not like we don’t have 'em, but they aren’t destructive to the level of the Yanks & Brits.

Mordikan,

Multiple times now you've accused people of being American for saying that Australia outputs some garbage right wing stuff. Aside from the vampire fuck Rupert Murdoch himself, here is a list:

  1. Sky News Australia (especially through YT and social media)
  2. GB News (based on Australian right-wing media)
  3. News Corp Australia
  4. The Daily Telegraph
  5. The Australian
  6. Andrew Hastie
  7. 7News (this is arguably one of the worst as they sprinkle facts into their narrative to cloudy the waters)
  8. Herald Sun
  9. The Spectator Australia
  10. Quadrant Magazine

All of these media sources and publications output to the rest of the world.
It doesn't matter about "well the UK has more. well the US has more".
Australia is exporting fucking garbage.
This isn't a race to bottom.

princessnorah,

More than half of that is just Murdoch, which we covered already?

Mordikan,

Ok, so you are exporting garbage. Good to know.

princessnorah,

Whatever you need to tell yourself. ✌️

Mordikan,

Oh, and the Murdoch Family Trust owns 40% of the Fox Corporation (which owns the US based Fox News).
So really your argument is the same that a heroin addict might have:
"If you discount my heroin addiction, I'm doing great!"

princessnorah,

That’s nice sweetie.

Mordikan,

Australia has been definitively proven to be the biggest TERF exporter now and you can't even contest it.
You should do something about that, geez.

princessnorah,

Is that what you think you’ve done here? Sweetie, all you’ve proven is that Murdoch is, indeed, a piece of human excrement. Something I admitted to way up there ^^ somewhere. Please explain how that makes us the biggest TERF exporter, because I fail to see the logic, and our laws & politics seem to contradict you. Come on sweetie, I know you’re clever enough too!

Mordikan,

I'm not going to discount Murdock Family Trust just because it makes you feel bad.
As for exports, here you go.
Feel free to try and deny it, seems like something you're used to doing.

Murdoch’s media empire spans multiple countries, with strong conservative influence in:
United States:
Fox News, Fox Business, New York Post (via Fox Corporation)
United Kingdom:
The Sun, The Times, The Sunday Times (via News UK)

Across these regions, Murdoch’s companies control:
120+ newspapers across five countries
Multiple TV networks and digital platforms with conservative leanings

Murdoch’s outlets dominate:
UK: ~25% of print circulation and large digital reach
US: Fox News is the defacto and most-watched cable news channel in the country

I'm sorry if that makes you feel all bad inside, but fix your shit.

princessnorah,

Oh I understand now lovely, you just don’t know what a TERF is! How silly of me. So, a TERF is a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. They call themselves feminists but they aren’t really pro-women. Does that make sense little one? 😊

Mordikan,

Whatever you say, sir.

princessnorah,

Very cool to misgender a trans woman, definitely care about TERFs.

Mordikan,

I don't know what you are and don't care. Only you care about that. To be fair, you did call me "sweatie", so I think I can call you whatever I want given you initiated, sir.

TipRing,

I don’t think any country in the anglosphere has a monopoly on exporting shitty people, but I’m hardly going to throw stones what with this glass house I live in.

pulsewidth,

The trade imbalance? With the US?

Take back your war on drugs, the war on terror, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, your insane tech broligarchy, rhe 2008 global financial crisis, your Evangelical hate brigades (actually you know what take back Mormons and Scientologists and 7th day adventists while youre at it), the GLOBAL trade disasters & inflation caused by Trump and his pissy tarrif wars, the global derailing of climate agreements again by Trump and his idiot Republican allies.

I’ll stop now because I could literally type all day the shit coming out of the US that has been causing immense damage to the rest of us.

What’s Australia’s shit?
Murdoch? He gave up Aussie citizenship and moved to the US in 1985, he’s spent the majority of his working career as an American living in America - we can at best take half ownership of him.
This handful of censorship wowsers taking down some rapey video games?
Mel Gibson?

Enlighten me because I think the numbers of your “trade imbalance” don’t even come close to adding up.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

why bring up the us? “trade imbalance” usually refers to imports v exports of that country.

i think the australian coal industry definitely qualifies as “shitty exports”. they wanted to dig up the great barrier reef to make a coal harbour.

princessnorah,

I’ll add as well, the only reason any of this was possible is FOSTA/SESTA and that’s entirely on the US.

0li0li, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

They are ok with murder and war simulation then? ROFL Smells like another religious pressure group tbh, haven’t looked into them yet.

They should go after all violence in games and media then; we’ll see how well they can fend of the pressure… Not sure if they have the ressources to survive that, so I would LOVE to see them try.

princessnorah,

By all accounts they aren’t religious, we don’t have gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism going on here in Aus. They just seem to be TERFs and SWERFs.

tane69,

The religion of pure bigotry seems to be the most popular one these days, especially online

The_Decryptor,
@The_Decryptor@aussie.zone avatar

we don’t have gestures broadly to American Evangelicalism going on here in Aus.

Hillsong says hi.

NutinButNet,

Oh it goes deeper than that.

Check out their FAQ. They’re cool with the dehumanization of males too. They’re only advocating for “dehumanization” against females.

A game about torturing women? Unacceptable.

A game about torturing men? Acceptable 👍

They mention some bullshit about how one happens more often and the other doesn’t so that justifies being hypocrites.

ampersandrew, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Steam ignored them, presumably, because they sell their products in accordance with the law, and that’s all that ought to matter.

amino,

hot take: people ought to start forming morals outside of legal morality. a Lotta freaks are gonna end up illegal otherwise and the freak factor certainly includes some thing you do that your prudish neighbor doesn’t like

Goodeye8, (edited )

In this context it's definitely a hot take considering the prudish neighbor was able to make freaky shit "illegal" anyway, and in far greater capacity than any single government could. Rape and incest games ain't for me but when they get banned because a handful of people decide for the rest of us how the world is supposed to look like without anyone else getting a say in the matter I take serious offense. At least if they went the legal route the process would've a) been transparent and given an opportunity for others to make a case and b) not instantly affect the entire world.

This "scary government is going to take away your rights" just leads to private enterprises taking away your rights without any oversight. This entire thing is a case in point. The government can take away your rights but at least you have a way to fight for your rights, what are you going to do against oligopolistic payment processors taking away your rights?

amino, (edited )

i hate to inform you that these lobbying groups are acting exactly like a state would, actually. maybe don’t lecture to trans people and tell us how the state works, we interact with the state way more than you will ever have to 💋

what are you going to do against oligopolistic payment processors taking away your rights?

idk, what are YOU gonna do? are cis people gonna finally fight for trans autonomy or are they gonna act like us having autonomy is too insane?

are you gonna finally listen to us like when trans sex workers told you a decade ago that banks, the police and payment processors are policing our money or are you gonna let the issue fester because you don’t want your family to know you stand with trannies and whores?

Goodeye8,

Okay, the smug "you're not one of us so don't speak" argument... Alright, then we're just not going to have a discussion. Just don't forget that if one of these groups ever use payment providers to suppress trans rights you supported this.

amino,

not surprising at all that you chose to go the blue MAGA “enjoy your camps, then” route instead of taking a step back. the only smug person here was you not realizing you’re way out of your depth

Madagaskar_sky,

‘Blue MAGA’? Oh shit, please don’t tell me you voted for trump!

amino, (edited )

yeah, you got me. not liking liberals makes me a trump supporter. the overton window always ends at being a “progressive” slightly to the left of Ronald Reagan and anything beyond that is just the ice wall keeping us from finding out that the earth is flat

Goodeye8,

Do you know that you can edit your comment before you post? Because if you post and then edit the rest of comment in later others might miss that when replying? Anyway, not that you've actually addressed something in your previous comment I'm going to respond to that. I'm going to ignore what you've said right now because that shit is just too dumb to respond to.

idk, what are YOU gonna do?

I already complained to my government.

are cis people gonna finally fight for trans autonomy or are they gonna act like us having autonomy is too insane?

The fuck are you on about? I'm not against trans people. We should all have humane levels of rights.

are you gonna finally listen to us like when trans sex workers told you a decade ago that banks, the police and payment processors are policing our money or are you gonna let the issue fester because you don't want your family to know you stand with trannies and whores?

Again, the fuck? I'm also pro sex work because sex workers regularly get exploited and I think legalizing and regulation sex work would make their lives safer.

Also do you see how insane you act? I disagree with you on one thing and then you automatically assume I also disagree with you on (probably) all the other things. You're turning me into a villain in your own mind, and for what purpose? So you could dehumanize me? You're acting exactly like the conservatives who hate your guts.

nekbardrun,

Sorry, excuse me for making this comment, but I kinda think that the user Goodeye8 was agreeing with you since the start.

Anyways I wish you well.

Bronzebeard,

Berating people online who already agree with you is not how you get allies, dumbass.

CancerMancer,

What is it about trans people that has them standing up for capital all the time?

amino,

what is it with tankies that has them always forming red-brown alliances instead of supporting trans leftists?

CancerMancer,

Afraid I can’t say, I don’t believe China can do no wrong, or that Russia/North Korea are actually socialist, or other similar tankie nonsense.

What I can say is I’ve seen a shockingly large number of trans people standing up for the Visa/Mastercard oligopoly, Israel’s genocidal “military action”, private healthcare over single-payer / public options, etc… This is becoming difficult to ignore.

otp,

Rape and incest ain’t for me but I take serious offense when they get banned

phrasing

Goodeye8,

You do realize that was not the end of the sentence?

But just for you I added the word games and then moved the structure around.

otp,

Haha, it wasn’t the end of the sentence, but I don’t think the rest of the original sentence meaningfully changed that particular clause!

SomethingBlack, do games w "We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond" - Australian pressure group Collective Shout claims responsibility for Steam and Itch.io NSFW game removal

We need to ignore them, they’re obfuscating from the real issue. Payment processors should not have the ability to police content, full stop, end of discussion.

The person who tattled is absolutely irrelevant and a distraction

biofaust,

Ahem, you may want to listen to this: pca.st/…/007323a5-a2ba-4b4c-ab18-5307e0d31164

mohab, do gaming w Ghost of Yōtei's lo-fi beats mode sums up the very best and very worst of this very weird series

Hmm… I still have zero interest in this game series. They can do whatever they want, but I have zero interest in any western developer's take on Samurai.

It's like when Scorsese did Silence—it's nice he got to live his Kurosawa fantasy, but I have no interest in Eastern culture depicted through a Western lense, even if the source material is Eastern.

I wish they just go back to making Sly. I'd be all over an all new Sly game with fancy gadgets and shit.

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

I think it’s interesting to see a culture interpreted by another one

Though sometimes it’s a bit cringe if you are familiar with the interpreted culture

knokelmaat,

Metal Gear is one of my favorite series of all time, and that’s an Eastern developer’s take on Western culture. Another series that comes to mind is Resident Evil.

I don’t see why this is necessarily a problem? Ghost of Tsushima already tells a rather loose story that borders on the fantastical, it never even attempts to be a historically correct depiction.

mohab,

I don't see why this is necessarily a problem?

I didn't say it was? I said I have no interest in it.

You and Sucker Punch can do anything y'all want—I can only talk about my preferences.

Metal Gear is one of my favorite series of all time, and that's an Eastern developer's take on Western culture.

Listen, I'm suffering through the drudgery that is Death Stranding's story RN, so last thing I need is for anyone to invoke Kojima in this context 😂 Someone please tell this dude "we don't understand how [insert made up technology] works" is not an excuse for shit writing 😂

knokelmaat,

Fair enough, you’re of course entitled to your interests however you see fit ;).

Death Stranding is a weird one. It has some of the most stupid writing in video games, but also has some really strong themes and moments too. I am talking about the first one as I don’t have the budget to buy the sequel at release prices. But Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, 3 are masterpieces in my opinion, and the strange Eastern interpretation of Western spy / military culture is part of what makes it so interesting to me :)!

chloyster,

DS 2 fucks and I’m all for the weirdness. Shit writing is def a you opinion thing

viral.vegabond,

Alright, I'll bite.

That seems like a really narrow-minded take. It comes off as arrogant, or maybe even prejudiced. Why deprive yourself of an objectively great gaming experience just because of some convoluted ideal that you've made up?

Also, if you really had zero interest, why even comment or be involved in the discussion at all?

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w SAG-AFTRA approves 2025 Video Game Agreement, officially concluding its strike

Well hopefully this means SAGs wanted clause that forced non-union actors to join SAG or leave a project after I think 3 (?) sessions on a job is NOT approved.

People can join a union if they want, but nobody should be forced to join a union against their will.

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