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MystikIncarnate, (edited ) do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Real fan?

Bitch please. We’ve put up with your crap for so long and we still play it…

Get out of here with that horse shit. Get fucked. Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on. At best, I’ll wait for a sale, at worst, I’m never playing your goddamned franchise again because you’ve run it into the ground with enshittification.

LuckyPierre, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Find a way?

Piracy is a way. Thanks for the tip.

Quibblekrust, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

In today’s dollars, my local video game store in 1991 was selling Wizardry for the NES for $141.

Fuck, the average AAA Atari 2600 game was $99 in today’s dollars. Games like Pitfall and Pac-Man.

Just some perspective. I’m going to go yell at a cloud or something, now.

andros_rex,

Atari 2600 Pac Man is shit lol

Quibblekrust,

Yet I played it so much I can hear it in my head right now.

bobo,

bunk bunk ba-bunk bunk! Koik-doik! Koik-doik!

Voroxpete,

I’m actually OK with games costing a bit more to sell if they cost a lot to make; god knows, the devs deserve to get paid properly. But, one, that money won’t actually make it to the devs, and two, any time Randy Pitchford is for something it’s really hard not to automatically be against it, on the assumption that he’s so consistently wrong about everything, and just such an unbelievable piece of shit, that just assuming he’s in the wrong is the safest bet.

interdimensionalmeme,

The devs are not seeing a penny over what it would cost to replace them with someone hungrier.

interdimensionalmeme,

Fabrication costs have plummeted, while choice and competition in this space exoloded.

Financialization is what happenned to gaming and that’s why cultural successes are being leveraged at extortionate prices.

Borderlands 3 was boring ass slop too. BL4 is going to be a stinker.

finitebanjo, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Listen, I unironically love being woke. Accessibility for impairments? Human rights? Equity? Regulations standing in the way of greed? Overrepresentation of minority demographics? Fuck yes to all of that shit. Hell’s Yeah.

But the direction of these games have been poor for a lot of reasons. It doesn’t feel woke, really, it feels like they want us to believe they aren’t Handsome Jack’s corporate studio goons like they are.

Elkot, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I won’t be buying any game that costs $80 not when I have a mountain of games in my Steam Library, many of which are getting played thanks to the Steam Deck and if that’s not enough I have Game Pass too so why the hell would I even consider paying $80

joel_feila, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

And my way is, wait a few years for the deluxe edition to come out on sale.

dragonbringerx,

Shit, I waited until BL3 was free on PSN, and I’ll get around to it someday.

TurboHarbinger, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I knew Randy would fuck up the game somehow.

Voroxpete,

Seriously, why do they let him talk? The man is a walking PR disaster.

Then again, we should all be asking how the hell he’s not in jail for possession of child porn, so I guess this is a pretty minor thing in comparison.

JigglySackles, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Guess I’m not a real fan. Fuck you Randy. He’s such a cunt.

xiii,

While working on Borderlands 3, the team was severely underpaid. People started quitting, so Randy promised them an “unprecedented company profit-sharing bonus model.” That never got paid—he blamed “higher-than-anticipated development costs and sales not meeting projections.” Borderlands 3 went GOTY, a few dozens millions copies sold. Randy secured a $12M executive bonus for himself. When staff expressed dissatisfaction, Pitchford told them they were free to quit. This was in the middle of the pandemic, and the job market was absolute crap.

mcvuk.com/…/borderlands-3-developer-gearbox-accus…

conditional_soup,

If anyone deserves for his workers to get unionized, it’s this asshole

JigglySackles,

I’ve not heard a single good thing about him. He’s just a toolbag through and through.

jaykrown, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Nope, just would play Tiny Tina’s Wonderland again honestly, which I got for around $10 when it was heavily on sale a year ago.

leavemealone, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Too much games to play on the market to justify the urgency to buy it at release for 80 bucks. they now compete with free to play, gamepass, Indy games, piracy, and tons of past games with lower cost.

The fomo of newly released games is low when most games are released in shitty state and need 1/2 months of patches/fixes and that’s not even taking in consideration that the best experience is when all the dlcs are released and make the game finally complete.

The AAA industry is fucked. In a world where quality games are released each weeks they are often but even the best way to have fun with our limited time, like tepid Ubisoft games…

WarlordSdocy,

Yeah I’m really starting to feel like we’re gonna see a lot of these companies shift from doing big AAA games to instead publishing small indie games. Almost all of these big companies have indie publishing arms now and as they start to see good profits from those without having to take on the cost of paying devs themselves I wouldn’t be surprised if they start cutting back on their own dev teams and shifting to that.

leavemealone,

Honestly I am all for if it means that we get original games again from big studios, I can’t get hyped anymore for yet another sequel or remaster.

Cethin,

Honestly, in my opinion, there’s too many games to justify buying it at all. I enjoyed one and two when I was a kid, and there wasn’t competition for the genre. Three I think was free on Epic or something, so I played and it was fine, but not great. I don’t expect much from four, and there’s companies I’d actually like to support instead.

leavemealone,

I can’t tell you exactly why, but as much as I played and replayed borderlands 1&2, the third one didn’t interest me at all, I can see that the recipe used the same ingredients but it just didn’t taste the same to contribute the metaphor. It just bored me and my wife during our coop campaign, and we didn’t have any desire to continue our playthrough. I hope they get it back with four but I don’t trust them enough anymore to buy it blindly anyway.

Cethin,

I don’t know if there’s even anything to get back. Is it that 3 was bad or is it just that Borderlands doesn’t interest us anymore? I honestly don’t know, but I think it’s at least partially the latter for me. I’ve played much better games since, and I don’t really find that formula appealing anymore. Almost everything it created has been used to make better products since, so is there even a reason to care about them anymore?

RangerJosey, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I’m not a huge fan of Borderlands. I like the stories. But I don’t like the loot goblining. Constant hunt for ever higher damage numbers.

There’s only 1 company I’ll pay $80 for a new game. And that is Ryu Ga Gotoku. Cuz they don’t miss. No bad half finished launches. No bad games. Every game is a masterclass in Peak. https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/059cd97f-4592-4f6e-a60a-8a7dda816dff.jpeg

Yermaw,

I’m the opposite, I don’t give a monkeys about the story but I like the loot goblining.

That said a borderlands came on the gamepass the other week and I was so excited to lure my boy into co-op with me for the first time in ages. It wouldn’t stop crashing. I googled it to see if they were aware and all I could find was the company sucking it’s own dick about having already released the final patch to stop it crashing so many times. I wouldn’t say I’m thrilled about the idea of dropping $80 on a day one release.

Graphy,

I’m a Loot Goblin that spacebars through the story too, but Borderlands hasn’t been able to scratch that itch in a long time.

The last one I played was Tina’s Wonderland and everything about it was a slog. I didn’t care about any of the loot or any of the fights and I definitely didn’t care about the story.

jwiggler,
@jwiggler@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can you recommend me a starting point? For someone who has no experience with these games, or any Japanese games besides Soulsgames and RE4 remake.

Feel free to roast me in the process.

RangerJosey, (edited )

Yakuza 0, kiwami, kiwami 2, Yakuza 3, 4, 5, 6, then 7, then Gaiden, then 8.

Then play Judgement and Lost Judgement. Not part of Yakuza’s core canon. But adjacent.

Schmuppes,

This is the way.

madame_gaymes,
@madame_gaymes@programming.dev avatar

I’ll add Factorio to the list of games that deserve the $80 tag. $40 for base, $40 for Space Age expansion. Or don’t get Space Age and go with the mod that spawned Space Age (although not exactly the same).

I get it’s a bit of a niche genre, though. The factory thing the way Factorio does it isn’t for everybody.

kittenzrulz123,

I personally prefer mindustry

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

But I don’t like the loot goblining. Constant hunt for ever higher damage numbers.

I honestly don’t know how people play this game. Every 12 seconds coming across new gear. Can’t do it.

EncryptKeeper,

It didn’t used to be like that and they actually mentioned in the deep dive that they’re getting back to the way it was before. Like the point of the game is loot goblining, but they’ve promised not to inundate the player with legendary weapons every twelve seconds so that you actually have time to savor the weapons you get between good drops.

SolOrion,

It’s not like I need to do the math to figure out which gun is better and why. Find something with green arrows? Hold E to equip it immediately. If I use it for a bit and dislike it I’ll just swap back to what I was using before and mark it as junk so I sell it next time I buy ammo or fill my inventory.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

It’s a combination of a huge variety of attributes and an endless supply. I just get anxiety about walking past a super powerful weapon or dropping it in exchange for something else without realizing it.

SolOrion,

If it ain’t a purple I can basically guarantee it’s shit. Just keep the rarity order in mind, and you can generally assume anything that’s less rare than what you have is also worse. One of the load screens in BL1 or BL2 said When Grandma Burps Patrick Obeys- White, Green, Blue, Purple, Orange. Got absolutely burnt into my brain.

But hey, if it’s stressful fair enough. I think they’re fun games, but nothing is for everyone.

Alfredolin,

BL2 had unique blues which were OP.

SolOrion,

Ah, that’s true! Anything with flavor text- red text in the description- is an exception to the normal rarities.

bss03, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I agree, but when you wouldn’t let Aspyr do a Linux port for BL3, I stopped being a “real fan”.

MehBlah, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

Arrrrrr!

neons, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"

I’m absolutely ready to pay 80$ for a game. But then I don’t want to see scummy shit like lootboxes or advanced access in it. If I pay 80$ I expect to see a game release that isn’t half-baked and has to get fixed with hotfixes and patches over the next two months but that just works out of the box and that doesn’t try to get me to spend even more money on it. That also includes no content that they’ve already produced being held back for DLCs.

Delphia,

This has always been my counterpoint for the Nintendo haters when they complain about price. (Although they are a shit company in several other ways) Because when my daughter wants a new switch game if its a top tier Nintendo title its going to be a finished game with zero bugs and zero concern about problematic content for me.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Exactly. That’s why I buy Nintendo games near release and am patient for PC games.

alexaralvarado, do games w $80 for Borderlands 4 too costly? Randy Pitchford says, "If you're a real fan, you'll find a way to make it happen"
@alexaralvarado@infosec.pub avatar

I’ve found a way to play every Borderlands game, 2 is my fave, and not pay more than 12 usd, for the 3rd one which I didn’t even get halfway through 'cause it’s boring AF - I love Steam sales and don’t have FOMO

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