There are very few games I would spend $80 on. Actually, at this point I don't buy a lot of new games to begin with, I'm mostly just grinding the same old favorites now.
But for the games I really care about, I'm willing to spend on games I know will be worth it to me. I've waited 22 years for a sequel to Kirby Air Ride and if I have to pay $80 for it, I will pay $80 for it.
There are a few franchises that still have me day 1 even if they went to that price point (The Witcher, Persona, Trails). Those are always 80 hours minimum, though.
and yet, there’s plenty of dogshit apologists in this thread arguing to “just let people play games” because they have zero self control. this place is literally no different than the other.
If you respected the rules it wouldn’t have to be moderated.
Calling Rowling a terf is OK (you are stating the obvious in such case), telling another user to fuck off, or for specific group of people to die isn’t.
Ah, “rules” that can’t be really learned from because you removed the comment from even my own comment history. You’re obviously insinuating something with that last sentence but, frankly, i can’t recall what i wrote at the moment.
These people LITERALLY want to dehuman and take rights from trans folk, but i’m required to tolerate that without calling them names?
and before any miserable “bothsides” fuck cries “you’re doing the same”. i didn’t start this shit. i’m not taking womens rights away. i’m not also trying to ship people off to foreign prisons.
You’re right, both sides aren’t the same. One side has devolved into foregoing what we like to think of as humanity because they have a boner for hate and the other makes excuses on why degrading themselves to the same level isn’t the same.
It’s a play on words. I’ll skip the nuances and get right down to the core, “they started murdering people, so I’m murdering them back”. But here’s the thing, killing is still killing, even in self-defense. No matter how many justifications, running away from this concept only serves to bring you ever closer to the mentality of the other side.
The very simplified “both sides” is alluding to the idea that both are very much willing to give up empathy, ethics and law if it means getting rid of the opposite side. The selective application of these three concepts is what bridges you together in a way that makes an outside observer say “so similar, they might as well be the same” a.k.a. “both sides”.
No exception to empathy, no exception to ethics, no exception to law, no matter how saintly and no matter how evil.
so you advocate rolling over and letting literal genocides occur because killing is bad. that’s what your logic naturally leads to.
trolley problem is all about this shit. and your stance is that millions can get ran over by the trolley as long as you don’t have to pull the handle to decide. because of your cowardice.
There is a lot to say about JK Rowling and trans right, but this topic is kinda devolving into an unnecessary flame war.
I’ll keep as much comments as I can, but some of them clearly violate both LW TOS and community rules, and thus will be removed.
It’s disappointing that even here on the fediverse people are cheering for the franchise of someone who’s sole motivation these days seems to be hating trans people.
If you are a fan of HP your choices are few and far between. If you are a fan of electric cars there are tons of better options that you can choose from. Adding on to that, the level of investment in both are orders of magnitude apart. What’s more, Tesla as a company has a reputation of having lots of issues of racism and misogyny in the workplace. I think the two are different enough that one can buy the blame and boycott Tesla without any hypocrisy.
I don’t because they’re not really comparable. Not in their intended effect nor their feasibility.
There are many other electrics cars, many of them better and/or cheaper and entirely interchangable. Boycotting Tesla just means getting a direct substitute instead. There aren’t any substitutes for HP games because the IP itself is the whole point.
Another point where they’re not comparable: Tesla isn’t the problem here, Elon is and he needs to go. And he can be gotten rid of, which is the entire point of the boycot. Meanwhile, there is no mechanism legal or otherwise to remove Rowling from the equation. She owns the IP and no amount of boycots will change that. The only thing boycotting HP products achieves is making the companies involved fail and preventing any further HP products from being developed. So what does that achieve?
Finally: we are talking about a woman saying mean things about trans people on the Internet versus a man actively dragging the USA into fascism as if these are equal problems requiring equal responses. As much as I empathise with trans people in that this issue can be much more real for them than it is for me, I still don’t think they’re anywhere near the same level of urgency. I have yet to see Rowling have any kind of meaningful effect, while Elon is currently rampaging through every institution he can reach.
So: given that boycotting Tesla is both easy, effective and urgent, while boycotting HP is a personal sacrifice for no real effect, surely you see the difference?
Hmm on the one hand is kicking trans people down the stairs and on the other hand is having enough self discipline to not consume a single franchise. Yeah you are right, this is a tough choice! lmao, personal sacrifice my ass
Hyperbole is when person asks you to not play one single video game to show support for trans people when you can easily play anything else instead. How dare they, so mean. Exactly like the fascists who support MAGA 🙄
Except the hyperbole in this case is comparing someone who has played “one single video game” as the same as kicking trans people down the stairs.
You get that right? The insufferability comes not from saying “please show support by not playing this game” but from saying “if you play this game, you are a bad person”.
Literally hundreds of games, movies and books out there not made by a monster leading the anti trans movement but you’re still unwilling to give up on one video game to show support for trans people. They are absolutely right about you, nothing hyperbolic about what they said.
I haven’t played the game nor do I want to. What I said is still true nonetheless. If you want to convince someone to boycott a piece of media, being a presumptuous dickhead is the exact opposite way you accomplish that.
Unless of course their actual goal is to merely use trans people as fodder for performative moral grand standing in which case they’re a piece of shit that no one should listen to anyway because that’s not what true allyship looks like.
I am trans myself fucker. Someone who has to live with the vile shit terfs are spewing. Either way, someone disagreeing with you is not ““performative moral grand standing””".
You’re right, which is why I didn’t say that it was. You and the person I’m responding to are being toxic and you’re not helping yourself by doing that. I am and have always been a defender of trans people, and you are jumping at every opportunity to assume I’m not simply because I don’t agree with your methodology. That’s retarded. Grow the fuck up.
It isn’t for “no real effect”. Harry Potter is a merchandise empire and it’s important to see how that empire is being utilized. Open fan support of Harry Potter is often used as a direct open signal of anti-trans support and Terf ideology. Here in Vancouver where we have a larger than average population of trans and non-binary folk and more open accommodation to the community a billboard was put up saying “I❤️ JK Rowling” downtown because it’s a more nebulous dogwhistle that wouldn’t immediately ping Canada’s hate speech laws so that the whole “Freedom of Speech” ploy could be envoked.
Whenever a new HP franchise item comes out there’s a wave of people who flood online and sometimes in person trans spaces who use the barest veneer of support of the franchise as a means to say some truely awful things about trans people. Some don’t even bother mentioning the franchise they just participate in the storming because they have the opportunity. Those spaces are often filled with vulnerable people seeking support and solidarity and these rushes can leave isolated trans people without community for weeks.
Here in Van someone wearing HP merch in any queer space is throwing up a flag that says “I am potentially an unsafe person.”
You don’t have to give up your books. All we ask is that people do not white knight the author or the publication and merchandising empire which keeps making her influence into an active memetic weapon.
Tesla has a ceo that is arguably evil, his companies flaunt labour laws and he is actively trying to make the world a worse place through multiple means.
The HP writer makes mean tweets and complains women use her bathroom.
Both are bad people, but not even remotely at the same level.
I think it’s really interesting that the christians used to have a huge hate boner for Harry Potter when I was growing up but now it’s shifted to the left sphere. They all kinda flip flopped
Because they keep making terfs richer. Don’t know why that seems such a hard concept to understand. Just admit that you don’t give a shit about trans people and move on.
A single terf who is already as wealthy as a person can be so any additional wealth doesn’t matter. Being a toxic shithead to people for being a fan of something is not going to help trans people, nor is it going to make JK Rowling lose all her money.
On the topic of JK Rowling. Has she been really silent the past months or did I just miss the times she has been posting hate like her life depended on it?
Maybe she got rid of the mold and her brain is in healing.
oh no not the expansion to the game no one even remembers
dude they shut down monolith and canceled the only game with a nemesis system we were going to play. nothing they do is newsworthy anymore. they were always shitty but now they’re also completely pointless.
Warner bros has no idea how to media anymore. They forgot about looney tunes characters. They cancel their movies after shooting before release. They do t make dlc for games that sold like hotcakes. All they did was patent the nemesis system. what the fuck are they doing?
Still waiting for them to drop Denuvo so I can pirate it. Yes, I am aware there are some old builds out there, but I know what kind of crazy circumvented Denuvo in those. No, thanks.
WHY?! WHY ARE THEY BEING SO STUPID WITH HOGWARTS?!
They built this whole world into the game and did NOTHING with it! It’s empty! Hogwarts the settings is perfect! The castle was fun to walk around in, to explore! I 100%'d the game because I loved exploring in it! Then they did nothing else to the game. I don’t even remember what the antagonist’s name was!
The game oversold all expectations! People just loved shelling out money for it! Then WB just dropped it.
I see things bitching every day about how their game studios don’t make enough money and then they shit the bed here by just letting that game sit here!
If they’re actually worried about money why are they not cranking out DLC every 4-6 months?! People would buy it! The world they built is begging to have more stories told, and people are holding out their wallets asking for more content for it - and they cancel it?!? They can’t bitch and moan that games don’t make money and then they just flip the off switch on their freaking money printer.
They’re still moving forward with the sequel (at least according to the article), so if I had to guess they figured they missed the boat with the expansion and want to focus on the sequel instead.
Which is fine, but I have no idea why they’re just throwing everything they have in the trash. They built the whole world and just sat on it. Expansions could make them so much money to fund the next game in the short term
Yeah, I was surprised given the success that they didn’t even spit out something to keep people engaged with the game. Seemed like even a small content update or doc would have pulled people in.
Hopefully it just means the follow-up will be even better.
Seriously they could have done sims level DLC and people could have just kept buying. New mounts, small new areas, bits of story here and there, a new class
WB doesn’t seem to know how to release any media post 2010.
They keep trying to shoehorn IP into trends, years after market saturation to try and capture nostalgia, and then wonder why they didn’t meet sales targets. See MK1, Space Jam 2, or anything related to HP or LotR.
The other thing they do is when they do have an interesting or original idea with the IP, the executive team seems too risk averse to put any capital behind it. See the two new Loony Tunes movies, one was in theaters for less than a week and the other was scrapped entirely for a tax writeoff.
Oh shit, the tone police are here. I’m not under the impression the person I’m responding to is going to change their behavior after this has already been widely talked about to death for years, and so I really don’t care what tone I use. This person is helping make the lives of real, actual, perfectly innocent trans people (and especially the lives of trans women) hell because they a) don’t care about those people or somehow more pathetically b) do care but can’t restrain themselves from buying themselves a children’s toy to that end.
Seeing how the game prominently features trans characters and that Rowling wasn’t involved in making it, it probably doesn’t bother many people.
I want to support media that show and empathize with trans people, and Hogwarts is one of them. But yes, even though she was not involved, she surely is receiving some royalties due to the setting.
hogwarts is not the place to do that then. there are plenty of other queer games out there to support queer game dev. instead of pretending that giving money to rowling is doing anything to support trans people.
Rowling having slightly more money makes no difference to her spewing her views, she is set for life anyway. Yes I’d like to avoid giving her money, but a much stronger signal I’d like to send is that a game with trans characters sells well.
it means nothing besides them trying to profit from the nostalgia ridden queers. again, yall could support actual queer works instead of work with a thin veneer of it.
I am aware the motives behind it are profit driven. But that doesn’t make the message less valuable. People seeing themselves represented is helpful to them, and it normalizes them for other people.
oh boy! they see themselves in games while they’re literally getting depersoned by the politics of the creator! in a time where we are literally seeing what such wealth is able to enable you to do… literally buy the white house.
she makes money from the brand getting attention because she is the creator of the setting. no one gives a shit about this game without the setting.
you are excusing enabling terfs and fascism because you have no ability to think beyond your own nose. but please make more excuses and lie to yourself more.
You are driven by hate. Rowling is not going to get any more “enabled” than she already is with her bottomless pit of money. If you are truly an ally, suggest better media to support, rather than being combative and alienating everyone in the proces.
Rowling has enough money to donate to shitty politics for the rest of her life ten times over.
Attempts to “not support her” are about 3 decades too late and entirely irrelevant at this point beyond making people feel good about themselves. She doesn’t need your support nor even registers it.
We’re talking about the world’s first and only writer to become a billionaire with her books here.
It’s genuinely baffling watching WB just make like, every wrong decision. Their business is losing money and every time a project that receives praise or interest is announced/released that is nearly guaranteed to make them lots of money.They just don’t go through with it. Or they do some work on it then can it.
It’s like, even out of touch executives at other large companies have enough feelers to find out generally what people are enjoying. Then with all their money they throw something in that general direction and something eventually sticks.
With WB though it’s like, nothing is working. The things that do stick don’t make as much as they thought. And the things that they don’t think will make money do make money, often more than they thought… And then they just always find a way to either piss off everyone, sour and sabotage the future projects, or just don’t do anything with it.
It’s just so fucking weird. Like I don’t even enjoy or partake in most of the stuff WB puts out. But sitting on the sidelines and just watching it all unfold makes me question what drugs the leaders at the company are on…
It’s been especially bad over the last year. WB is in freefall at this point.
It seems it would be pretty easy to blame this on David Zaslav, but the games department specifically has been fucking up like never before: Mortal Kombat, Multiversus, Gollum, Kill the Justice League. Just name a WB game that came out, and it’s been an abysmal failure, with similar games from other studios doing much much better.
They could’ve been making GTA levels of money. Soooo many people were able to overlook the terribleness of the author just to be able to be in the Harry Potter world.
They also closed Monolith, a great studio behind e.g. FEAR amd Shadow of Mordor games. They are making all the wrong decisions, and then will wonder why they have lost to competitors.
They didn’t make another because they were forced to make a game that was Wonder Woman and live service. How does that work? Clearly they didn’t know either since they spun their wheels for like seven years, lost all their old staff, and then got shut down.
Not OP but I bought it for my sister who is notoriously impossible to buy birthday presents for because she explicitly requested something for once, then I played it through Steam family sharing to deny at least one sale of the game.
I’m suprised and a lil’ confused why you would share this story in response. Respectfully, it feels like you’re shifting blame. Like, okay, sure, It’s your sister’s birthdays fault you gave money to a terf.
I mean, you do you but if the trans persecution isn’t a deal breaker when it comes to something so basic as media choices. Then, whatever. Own it.
Totally valid criticism, I absolutely agree with you. Times are tough for trans folk and giving money to transphobes is not helping that.
Looking back on it, I wouldn’t buy it having seen how far off the deep end she has gone. I admit I dismissed her at the time as just a nutjob on Twitter but she’s now proved to me that she is a bigot beyond reproach.
I also find myself in a better educated position than I was at that time. I have more LGBTQ friends and family than ever and I’m challenging anti-trans behaviour in others when I spot it.
It’s less about giving money to the woman herself and more about how HP and JK Rowling are used as memetic weapons. Every release of a new property has seen a rush of transphobic actors invading trans spaces for years. Invoking the name of the author and showing solidarity in a lot of contexts is a not subtle way of showing support to the veiws expressed by the Terf ideology during a time when being trans is becoming criminalized in more places. The news isn’t generally covering it well but Texas is passing laws where it is a criminal offense to misrepresent your birth sex at work or in public government spaces.
“Oh but it’s just money” isn’t so much the problem. It’s the cover this entire conversation about ethical consumption or the lack thereof in daily life is providing to people throwing up open flags of anti-trans bigotry in public and using that as a tool to band together to attack the community and send open messages that trans people are not welcome in ways that the average cis person will dismiss as just “they like kid wizards”.
Regarding your confusion and surprise, the person you replied to merely gave their reason why they bought it and supported a transphobe, and it was because this person’s sister requested that game specifically.
I know the question posed was mostly rhetorical in nature. But I’m not sure why you are questioning why someone is answering the question, and I’m not sure what kind of satisfactory answer you could get from anyone who had purchased the game (and supported a transphobe, yes, which I haven’t).
The rest of your comment is a legit response, but I’m only pushing back on the first sentence of your reply. Or even moving that sentence to the back of your comment to make it less charged. If someone’s going to answer a loaded question, let them, but get to the point about how misguided they are with their justification before you question the answer. That would likely make for a more constructive discussion. Unless you think that these answers are unhelpful in the first place, that we’re better off not hearing why people have done transphobic things with different intentions, and we should refuse to give them space to reflect, learn, then own up to their transgressions if they don’t come right out of the gate to apologize. Then sure, ignore what I said.
shows up 5 hrs late to do literally nothing of value. actively harms any ability to even remotely learn from this because i can’t read what i wrote even in my own history.
christ no wonder this site is dead as a fucking doornail.
I have a life, I can’t just be 24/7 checking new reports, and I don’t know any mean to get notified when one is opened.
As for the value of my action, if you feel like my action isn’t legitimate, you can either contact the other mods or the Admins.
We do not wish to have trolls and toxic people in our community, so if you cannot stop yourself from spreading your toxicity everywhere, then go elsewhere, this is not the only gaming community around.
ah yes, the singular other mod that hasn’t made a comment in 2 years???
and how can any of them disagree with you? do any of you even have the ability to review the comments?
If you can’t handle calling out bigotry then you’re on the side of the bigots. you stance enables the bigots. civilty can only exist when the bigots are dead.
ah yes, the singular other mod that hasn’t made a comment in 2 years???
I was wondering if he was still here and sent him a message not long ago. Turn out he is, and just mostly lurks those days. Which means that I’m alone doing the moderation most of the time, but that also that you can still try. What do you have to loose? Time? Looking how much you posted on this thread you seem to have plenty of it, so why not try?
and how can any of them disagree with you? do any of you even have the ability to review the comments?
They do, and there were time we disagreed on some mod action. In such case we talk about it together, and try to reach a concensus. That’s how some of our rules exception came to be.
If you can’t handle calling out bigotry then you’re on the side of the bigots. you stance enables the bigots. civilty can only exist when the bigots are dead.
Ah. The good old false dilemma fallacy. Either I’m with you or against you. Did you ever consider that others have their own way to fight those idiots without having to resort to screams, rage and oversimplification?
This community was founded to provide a place were people can talk about games in a constructive way. If you wish to have a community of your own where you can do as you wish, be my guest, and go create it.
you’re the kind of person that quietly watches as they come for everyone else because “im fighting in my own way”.
you’re not fighting for anything but quiet on your shitty little board. there can be nothing constructive as long as nazi idealogy is permitted to dehumanize people.
there is no nuance to fascism and nazis. “if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.”
the intolerant can’t be tolerated or they will destroy the tolerance that was worked so hard for.
So are you going to make a bad faith argument that Microsoft, Google, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Steam or who is a good company to buy platforms or games from? Note, most games brought to Linux happen because much of it was funded from sales off those platforms as well. So in todays world if you want Linux games, you have to hope people keep buying them on those major platforms.
Or are you just going to take the low road of describing yourself as better than everyone else because you only play niche unprofitable games that most people will never hear of and therefor most of society who doesnt have large amounts of time to invest in games likely won’t ever see.
If I buy a Trump bible to “enjoy” it, would you say that is wrong just because I give money to a fascist that is hellbent on killing minorities? Would telling me off be punching down as well?
My trans friends purchased the game, too. One of them specifically because of the well-done trans character, they said “I want to support whoever wrote that character into the game”
Almost like projects with 100s of people working on them are more complicated than “one person gets a tiny share of each purchase so it’s completely bad”
SIRona RYAN might sound like a transphobic name at first, but it turns out, Sirona is the name of a Celtic goddess. Who was often represented with a snake and eggs.
(please do not support TERF content, pirate it if you really want to nostalgia bait yourself)
because dlc is not something you just “do”. it’s something of a scale and complexity that needs to be planned out from the go. If the dev team is allowed to cook you might get an Assassin’s creed 2 situation. but this company will almost certainly not allow that to happen.
(please do not support TERF content, pirate it if you really want to nostalgia bait yourself)
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