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P1nkman, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

Krafton deserves zero sales on this game. Let it fucking tank, make Krafton go bankrupt.

someacnt,

Sadly companies like this never go bankrupt, they are good at milking dry.

csh83669, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

At this point anyone selling a company to a bigger studio is just either ignorant or greedy. It’s almost a given that they’ll just crash it into the grounds. Acquisitions and mergers might be like the eighth deadly sin. Everyone loses.

TheKMAP,

Who cares? It’s the audiences fault for assuming that prior performance is an indicator of future performance. Let the founders cash out. Buyers get rich because audiences think quality will be maintained post acquisition. How often does that really happen though?

buttnugget,

Yeah I mean, I have a hard time being too sympathetic to people who unnecessarily sold their company. There is no reason to do it. If you need money, you can always get investors to get a minor stake or something.

oxysis, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

The second I heard the heard the firings happens and the rumors behind why I removed the game from my wishlist. And as more slowly comes out it makes Krafton look worse and worse

Mortoc,

That could hurt the devs more than the publisher.

If they can prove breach of contract they can maybe get their IP back. Wishlists are a huge deal for if they want to shop the game around to other publishers.

psx_crab,

It would be a few years later for the court to finally reach any judgement

shneancy,

the publishers have the data of the peak of wishlist, they are free to calculate how much mistreating the devs is going to cost them

Vanilla_PuddinFudge,
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Let’s be honest. Soon, Subnautica 2 will be on the front page of Steam, likely for a month or more. People who have no idea any of this is happening, nor care will buy it up in droves and in six months, none of this will matter, and you’ll all have likely pirated it by then anyway.

million, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]
@million@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a5ef82c9-2b33-4921-ab7b-99e0e9d39c22.png

What the fucking fuck is this? Websites are comically bad now.

Vanilla_PuddinFudge, (edited )
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You can pick the element out with ublock and the elements blocking the page.

“I ACCEPT NOTHING! NOT EVEN YOUR POPUP!”

simple, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]
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In other news, Krafton extends the payout today too.

Nobody knows what's going on, at this point just wait until this goes over to court and we'll see who did what.

SpaceNoodle,

Smart move, because they absolutely would have gotten sued and likely wound up with no game.

Arcane2077,

I’m not a numbers guy but $25 million seems a tad smaller than $250 million

PanaX,

I saw one article that said 250 total. 25 million goes to the 40 employees who developed it and the other 225 goes to the 3 guys who got fired.

SpaceNoodle,

And the fired guys had promised to disburse most of that to their employees.

Goronmon,

The vast majority of the bonus was going to the leaders who were ousted.

someacnt, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

The moment I saw Subnautica 2 is being published by Krafton, I knew it will be dead on the crib. Average Korean game company behavior.

Crozekiel, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

This honestly feels like an “everyone sucks here” situation. It’s obviously bad that the publisher just sacked the 3 founders of a developer and replaced them with a CEO from a developer they just scuttled… But then there is this terrible sell-out deal the devs went for where 1/3 of the sale price of the company was tied up in sales performance with the deadline rapidly approaching so of course they want to put out a shiny new title for people to buy even though they keep having to cut the planned content down to almost nothing. (supposedly, obvi I haven’t played it…)

AND THEN there is what I am calling Schrodinger’s Beta. It is supposedly right now ready for early access release (which means Krafton delaying the game is proof of being shady and avoiding the bonus), but also likely going to flop because they got rid of the founders and now they won’t have the devs to make it any good (making Krafton correct in delaying the EA because it isn’t ready yet…).

This whole thing is a mess of pointing fingers and no one knows what’s real. Truth of the matter is probably that both sides are right. Dev’s want to push the game out to get the rest of what they feel they are owed, whether the game is ready for EA be damned. Publisher wants to not pay for any of that, downsize the dev team to finish production as cheap as possible just to drop a steaming turd with just enough name recognition to keep their line going up, but not to make enough money they can’t plausible deniability sink another developer. I hope I’m wrong, because I was looking forward to Subnautica 2 (mostly just to have a multiplayer subnautica experience), but the industry has mostly convinced me to assume the worst in everyone.

Microw, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]
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I mean, both things can be true. Krafton might be trying to weasel out of paying that bonus, and the game might not be ready like it should be.

ampersandrew,
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This story comes alongside numerous reports from the dev team that said the team felt it was ready. Plus it was only supposed to launch into early access.

Microw,
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And the dev team for Cities Skylines II kept saying the team felt it was ready, while it was a hot mess. They have an interest in publishing it now.

Launching into early access while not being up to certain standard could hurt the brand.

Now maybe the game was ready and it's all Krafton's fault. All I'm saying is that it is absolutely possible that the game isnt ready.

Modern_medicine_isnt,

They still both “could” be true. Though more likely something else was a foot. Maybe the earnings target was set poorly such that the payout was more than the increased earnings. You would think in general that such a clause would be mutually beneficial, but clearly one side didn’t think so.

chloroken, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

Zero mention of Moonbreaker? Come on. Unknown Worlds have been scamming for a while. Good job, Krafton.

mysticpickle, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

Yeah, fuck Krafton. Hope this game bombs.

Voroxpete,

Was 100% going to buy it. Absolutely won’t now. Fuck em.

Spacehooks,

Planned on paying for day 1 release. Now yar.

psx_crab, do games w ‘Subnautica 2’ Leaders Say Krafton Sabotaged Game Over Payout [new events in the Subnautica 2 story]

In their suit, the founders said that Krafton was aware of their new roles and that Cleveland had spent a large amount of time working on a Subnautica film, which Krafton had asked the studio to develop.

The moment they put someone who oversee the development of Calisto Protocol as CEO, it already smell like a seamoth full of dead peeper. Now this one? This one takes the cake.

madjo, do notjustbikes w The Dutch Intersection Is Coming to Save Your Life

The article even mentions Jason’s youtube channel

TheBeege, do games w Krafton Delays ‘Subnautica 2’ Game Ahead of $250 Million Payout

Similar shit happened when they were PUBG Corporation. Fuck these lying assholes. Player Unknown was a smart, capable dude, and they exiled him to a remote office because he got pissed at the CEO for over-monetizing things in a way that cost them players.

When they released the battle pass while the game was retail, all of the non-Korean employees nearly revolted. It wasn’t smart, and it was a money grab on the players. When the team lead of market research told the product manager that the feature was a bad idea and would lose them all their Western players, the product manager got him demoted and moved to another team.

When the numbers didn’t look good, the data analysts were freaking out because they couldn’t deliver bad news up the chain of command, even if it was accurate.

When they acquired Mad Glory, they promised that the dev team would still be contracted to other game companies to build APIs and tools for them, keeping the game industry tooling ecosystem healthy (think op.gg). When PUBG Corporation acquired them, the company canceled their contract with Bethesda for the API they were in the middle of building and forbade them from working with other companies.

Fuck Bluehole. Fuck PUBG Corporation. Fuck Krafton. Fuck game studios in Korea. Don’t play Korean games. Kpop and cosmetics and whatever are chill. Don’t play Korean games. Korean game companies are fucking cancer.

Don’t buy Subnautica 2. The Subnautica franchise died when Krafton became the publisher.

psx_crab, do games w Krafton Delays ‘Subnautica 2’ Game Ahead of $250 Million Payout

Seeing how publisher buying company and fucked their employees, now i’m super glad Hoopo sell only the IP to Gearbox, and not the whole company. Unknown Worlds might as well become a f2p company now, and my interest had plunged below zero.

Makhno, do games w Krafton Delays ‘Subnautica 2’ Game Ahead of $250 Million Payout

Really quite booba of them

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