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InEnduringGrowStrong, w Unity to Cap Runtime Fee to 4% of Revenue Over $1M, Users Will Self-Report Figures
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lastly, the installation threshold won’t be retroactive, so only new installations made after the policy’s announcement will count toward reaching the Runtime Fee thresholds.

That’s still retroactive though.

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

It also isn’t any different than what was originally announced, no? It was always like that and still shit.

InEnduringGrowStrong,
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s the same shit with a sightly different spin.
A turd is a turd no matter how much you polish it.

DrQuint, (edited ) w Stadia's death spiral, according to the Google employee in charge of mopping up after its murder

I will never, ever, understand why Stadia was something thay had to be “ported into” at such high cost. Specially for games that were ALREADY working on Linux. Like, what the fuck was the hold up. I read up stories that it was basically like porting to a fourth console and that just sounded outrageously stupid in my head.

Whatever tech stack they had, they could have made it way more profitable by making it generic windows boxes that partially run your library elsewhere. I dunno if there’s some hubris or some licensing bullshit behind it, but fact is, if I want to do this on GeForce Now, I can do it, no questions asked, and as the costumer, that’s the beginning and end of my concerns.

redcalcium, (edited )

Google engineers always choose the hardest route to solve problems. Why wouldn’t they? If your products are going to be shutdown in a few years anyway, might as well have a glowing resume from working on those products (resume-driven development).

Think about it, every time Google made a product with sensible tech stacks, those products were actually started outside Google and later bought by Google (Android, YouTube, etc). If Google made Android from scratch, there is no way they’ll use java and Linux, they’ll invent a new language and made their own kernel instead (just like fuchsia os which might be canned soon).

anemomylos,
@anemomylos@kbin.social avatar
  • Kotlin: "are you talking to me?"
hesusingthespiritbomb,

Kotlin was made by Jetbrains and later adopted by Google.

sznio,

But Kotlin is actually an improvement over Java.

Golang thoooooo

atocci,

TIL Fuchsia hasn't been killed quite yet.

smeg,

Does it actually even exist? I feel like I’ve been getting whispered rumours about it for years and years, but never anything sold!

atocci,

Yes! Nest Hub devices run it

smeg,

Oh wow, I’ll have to have a read up

merc,

might as well have a glowing resume from working on those products (resume-driven development).

This is so true. Getting promoted requires showing impact. If you use off-the-shelf tools (that happen to be easily maintainable) that’s not an impressive impact. If you invent a new language (and make up a convincing reason it was necessary) and so-on, that’s really impressive and you can get promoted. The minefield you leave behind that makes maintaining your solution so difficult is just another opportunity for someone else to get promoted.

Zeth0s, (edited )

Only Microsoft can run decently windows in a decently big data centers. Because they can tweak it, as they do for Xbox os as well. For everyone else scaling windows server VMs or containers is a pain, because windows is a bad, poorly optimized, resources-hungry OS developed with main goal to make hardware obsolete every 3-5 years.

I don’t know what nvidia is doing, but when I use it at my friends’ places, lags are painful.

Linux was the right call in theory, in practice gaming industry is pretty broken on the PC side with its lock on windows, as we see on every new AAA port… Let’s hope valve can save it, but I doubt.

smeg,

I don’t think the people downvoting you have ever experienced the pain of dealing with Windows in a cloud environment

Pxtl, (edited )
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

No, we’re downvoting because of conspiracy theories about planned obsolescense.

Yes, it’s disappointing how hardware requirements climb for minimal appreciable improvement, but Hanlon’s Razor applies.

Zeth0s, (edited )

It is not a conspiracy though. Planned obsolescence is a well known real thing. There is a reason unix computers last on average longer than windows computers, and Linux is the stereotypical OS for old pcs.

If people are downvoting for this, they should learn how computers and operating systems work

Zeth0s, (edited )

Don’t worry, I was expecting the downvotes. This place is full of angry windows fan boys that believe they are tech expert because they watch ltt and can install a skyrim mod. Less than reddit luckily

Astroturfed,

The thing was clearly designed to force you into paying a subscription fee. You can’t let people have something they could possibly easily use and play games that aren’t on your subscription if your entire purpose is to milk a monthly subscription from the users. Google, fuck you capitalism woohoo.

MentalEdge, (edited ) w Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Official Document Reveals Open-Ended Gameplay, New Combat Abilities For Main Cast
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

While I don’t mind that Rebirth will be more open world, perhaps like fifteen, I never considered Intergrades linear design an “issue” that needed “solving”.

There’s nothing wrong with linear game design, quite the opposite. It lends itself to a more focused experience. Games often have so much “stuff” to do, half of it ends up irrelevant.

I really enjoyed the tightly paced experience that was Intergrade.

cdipierr, w Former BioWare manager wishes Dragon Age had kept a 'PC-centric' and 'modding-driven' identity like Neverwinter Nights

The timing on these comments reads to me like: “I sure am sad EA made us dilute Dragon Age into a third-person action game and chase trends, now that BG3 proved CRPGs can still sell”.

Though TBF, the genre went on life support for a reason. It will be interesting to see if we get more CRPG mainstream hits going forward.

Kichae,

Not just that CRPGs can sell, but "Man, look at how much success they're having with our CRPG franchise!"

ZOSTED,

I’m loving BG3, but DA is honestly not that far off the mark. It’s missing crunchy, turn-based combat, and the sprawling story, but they probably have the tech and writing chops to pull that off, too.

cdipierr,

I believe 2008 Bioware had the chops for it, Post-Anthem Bioware gives me such doubt. I think EA has made it impossible for them to make a game like that again.

Corkyskog, (edited )

Why did the genre go on life support? I have been missing a couch co-op game since the days of PS2, my wife and I used to love playing together. Speaking of old RPGs, anyone know if there are any plans to reboot Champions of Norath? That used to be our favorite game.

I also get confused by all these RPG prefixes, probably too old. In my day I would walk into the gamestop or Babbages and just say “got any new good RPG games” then they would point me to one of the Final Fantasy games, and then I would say “actually I mean, do you have any new hack and slash RPG games?” Then they would say “no, but you can pre-order Call of Duty” and then I would rifle through the bargain bin, and then leave. Good times.

Which means I have essentially been asking for Baldurs Gate 3 for 18 years now (Champions 2 was released in 2005, a year after BG2).

cdipierr,

The golden age isometric RPGs (BG1 & 2, NN, Fallout, etc) were dubbed Computer RPGs, because the idea of translating a pen & paper roleplaying game to the computer was novel. But as the 2000’s marched forward and 3D graphics became an expectation - and video game budgets ballooned - simulation and writing took a backseat to visual spectacle, action gameplay, and set-pieces. Niche CRPGs became too expensive to be worth the risk, leading to KOTOR, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, etc; which would have more mass appeal.

As Larian has been showing, the ability to pack all that story and character moments, and present it with a cinematic look and feel is becoming increasingly possible (with years of hard work). Larian and Obisidian have been whetting everyone’s appetites for the CRPG format, and now BG3 seems to be reaping the rewards.

I found a nifty little video discussing the rise, fall and rebirth of CRPGs if you want some more info: The CRPG Revival: DnD to Baldur’s Gate 3

Illecors, w Procedural detective noir Shadows of Doubt adds infidelity investigations next week

The idea sounds absolutely awesome, but I have serious doubts any of that awesomeness can actually be delivered. Has anyone given it a shot? How did it go? Is it worth it?

Whiskey,

Not to be antagonistic but your comment reads like something generic word salad from an AI that has no context whatsoever.

Illecors,

Brilliant. You could’ve kept your negative shit to yourself, but here we are.

Whiskey,

You know what, you’re right. I’m sorry. The game is fantastic and done very well with all the procedural elements coming together to make for an awesome detective and coincide tally thief type gameplay. It’s well worth the cost.

Illecors,

Bad days happen to everyone.

Thanks you for your comment!

Contextual_Idiot,

You know, it’s exchanges like this that make me love Lemmy. This wouldn’t happen on Reddit, unless you’re in some tiny niche subreddit. Kudos to the both of you, a good apology and a good acceptance of it.

Please Lemmy, I want some more actual human interactions.

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

If you like the immersive sim genre, this one is very promising. I feel like it needs to bake just a little longer though.

Illecors,

I love a good sim, but the procedural bit is difficult to pull off anywhere. Thanks for thr input!

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

The world generation is actually one of the best I’ve seen in a 3d space, and the emergent gameplay from that is very fun.

I feel like the crimes still need a bit of work though.

Illecors,

I might give it some time to get polished. Might even run into a sale at that point.

prole,

I haven’t played he new content, but the game is pretty cool and very unique. You create your own little corkboard and yarn type thing to try to solve the (procedurally generated) crime. It’s neat.

Tons of videos of people playing it on YouTube I’m sure. You should check it out.

Illecors,

ACK

mindbleach, w Nintendo will update F-Zero 99 with more courses very soon

Wait, they rehashed a Super Nintendo game from thirty years ago, and didn’t even launch with all of its dozen levels? The original weighed less than a megabyte! Opening day should’ve been every track from all two of the 2D F-Zero games Nintendo ever made.

DarkThoughts,

Yeah but it's a 99 racer BATTLE ROYALE! Total innovation! Buy our online subscription!

Or just emulate all the original installments of the franchise that they killed 20 years ago for free.

mindbleach,

Weirdly, I have to defend against the idea they killed F-Zero. They did exactly what they intended with it, from the get-go: they showed off new hardware with a previously-impossible sense of speed. Once for SNES planecasting, once for N64 z-buffering, once for GBA planecasting, and once for Gamecube fillrate.

Every other F-Zero game is third-party.

Nintendo is a toy company. If a product is not novel, they are not interested. That’s why every Mario Kart has some stupid gimmick. Even in the first one, splitscreen multiplayer was the stupid gimmick. They shipped F-Zero and realized the SNES had a second controller… but no two-player games. Shrinking the courses to a static tilemap required smaller scale and lower speed, hence tiny karts. Really take a moment to consider that: even by 1992, F-Zero was not fit for purpose. It no longer achieved what Nintendo makes games for. Doing it again would not be impressive. Doing it again would not be novel. And the fact it’s easy to cram endless bullshit into Mario Kart is why that franchise keeps getting releases, while F-Zero collected dust - until they picked this online clusterfuck gimmick.

But the fact this retro game-as-a-service (ptoo!) couldn’t be arsed to include even one game’s whole level set, when each track must take less space than this comment, is baffling.

DarkThoughts,

You defend Nintendo's reasoning, I defend the consumer that doesn't buy them for them being some weird tech demo for their underperforming hardware.

WhyIDie, w This is Microsoft’s new disc-less Xbox Series X design with a new gyro controller

so that's what the controller would look like if it wore pants

Electric_Druid, w Unity to Cap Runtime Fee to 4% of Revenue Over $1M, Users Will Self-Report Figures
  1. Company makes wildly negative changes
  2. Public outcry occurs
  3. Company walks back overwhelmingly negative parts of the deal to what they originally intended to happen
  4. The public is placated into thinking they won the fight

We’re at step 3, y’all

echodot, (edited )

Yeah and it won’t work this time.

Unity is B2B, they tried to change the deal retrospectively. That’s toxic to a business relationship, it’s not viable to do business with such a company because they may try to do it again.

The only thing they can do now is fire the CEO.

cooljacob204,

Or add a clause to the TOS banning retroactive updates of TOS to existing games.

backgroundcow,

AND add a clause to the TOS banning retroactive updates of TOS to existing games.

JokeDeity,

Lawyers really are minions of hell, aren’t they?

Amaltheamannen,

Like they already had but sneakily removed

echodot,

Oh yeah I’m sure that will work

Electric_Druid,

I hope you’re right! Just drawing attention to this page of their playbook.

Lmaydev, (edited )

Which is exactly the plan. Short term cash boost and loss of trust followed by a new CEO who builds that trust again. Rinse and repeat.

The current CEO gets a golden parachute and the investors get some quick cash and likely buy more stock when the value falls.

hoshikarakitaridia,

I mean you definitely got a point, but don’t forget that there are long term consequences. The trust is completely gone (which is needed if you invest in this game engine and you will probably see the unity market share drop in the coming year.

Electric_Druid, (edited )

I agree- hopefully we can remember long enough for it to really matter in the long term. Just wanted to bring attention to this cycle because it’s been happening a lot lately (Facebook, DnD, etc) and I think the companies are starting to copy eachother.

filister,

But don’t you think that pretty much this debacle resembles Reddit and by now most of the users are back to their platform, exactly what they wanted.

Only the nerds and some mods left their platform permanently but percentage wise the number is probably very low and now Reddit is probably earning even more than before. So it is a win win situation for them.

Lmaydev,

The big difference is Reddit isn’t taking a portion of their wages. It was purely moral outrage.

Things are different once money is involved.

Choosing an engine is a business decision for a lot of people and using a free alternative that isn’t quite as feature rich sure seems like the better option now.

hoshikarakitaridia,

Idk why everyone is like “well Reddit won and we’re just on Lemmy because we’re nerds and no one believes in FOSS anyway”. Yes, I get you, there’s currently not much consequence visible for the Reddit debacle. I genuinely think we’re in the middle of a slow and painful death to Reddit. A lot of big companies don’t implode, but they die slowly in front of their competition. Yeah, currently we only are a fraction of users compared to Reddit, but if people truly believe in Lemmy as the better platform, this will be competition.

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

There’s no long term consequences unless you have serious competitors and Unity doesn’t really, just Unreal Engine.

uskok,

Maybe not today, but getting serious competitors is another long term consequence.

DigitalFrank,

Pssh, long term consequences are for the next CEO. I got my bonus and stock options.

mindbleach, w Microsoft May Exit Gaming Business If Game Pass Subscribers off Console Don't Increase Enough by 2027

Second-biggest chunk of the console market, effectively necessary for the PC market, gobbling up studios and publishers like fucking Galactus, and these empty suits still treat “making less money than the number we pulled from our asses” as losing money.

MomoTimeToDie,

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  • mindbleach,

    “Sold out” doesn’t mean anything. For the last four generations, Sony has deliberately underproduced consoles at launch, specifically to claim ‘It’s flying off shelves! We can’t keep it stocked!’ This free publicity stunt even worked for the PS3… which struggled for years.

    That said, yeah, apparently the Xbox whatever-it’s-called sells about half as many units per year, compared to either the PS5 or Switch. Rough.

    Still making money hand over first.

    MentalEdge, (edited ) w Final Fantasy 7: Ever Crisis turns Square Enix's best into an avalanche of money-grabbing tactics
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I weep for all the talented people working under squenix. They seem determined to squeeze blood from a rock, shattering it into a thousand tiny shards, few of which are worth paying for anymore.

    mindbleach, w Final Fantasy 7: Ever Crisis turns Square Enix's best into an avalanche of money-grabbing tactics

    Only legislation will fix this.

    stopthatgirl7, (edited ) w Final Fantasy 7: Ever Crisis turns Square Enix's best into an avalanche of money-grabbing tactics
    !deleted7120 avatar

    I tried playing it because a friend recommended it, and I barely lasted 3 days with it. It is a complete waste of time - you don’t even play it; it plays itself. The games are a Cliff’s Notes version of the original games. I got to it telling me I had to pay to upgrade my weapons past level 30, and I was done.

    Bilbo,

    If I so much as see a daily reward or a separate currency or an in game store, it gets uninstalled. Those things are guarantees that it sucks.

    canis_majoris, w Stadia's death spiral, according to the Google employee in charge of mopping up after its murder
    @canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

    One of the main issues with Stadia is that they didn’t even do the basics. I saw basically no marketing, and on top of that, I heard all kinds of rumors about the business model that were entirely false. They made no effort to combat the misinformation. It was never the case that you literally had to purchase the game on top of the subscription fees, but that was like the number one issue brought up in every discussion.

    Facebones,

    It’s been how long now? TIL that was false. 🤷

    canis_majoris,
    @canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

    I know, right? Service has been down almost an entire year.

    Facebones,

    The “pay for sub then buy games on top of that” was 100% how I heard it worked and NEVER heard anything different from anywhere.

    That’s kinda nuts.

    conciselyverbose,

    It was basically true.

    There was a bad experience version you could use without a subscription to games you purchased outright, and they included "free" games with your subscription, but to get a reasonable experience you had to pay for both.

    Chozo,

    The subscription was only necessary if you wanted to play in 4K or wanted "free" monthly games. Everything else worked just fine without the sub, with no change to performance.

    conciselyverbose,

    The subscription was absolutely required for performance not to be a complete dumpster fire.

    The free tier wasn't mediocre. It was unplayable.

    HarkMahlberg, (edited )
    @HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

    From everything I can see, you did have to buy games on Stadia. They would give you a free game a month, but if that wasn't the game you wanted to play, you had to buy it. The base version of Stadia was free, but the Pro version gave you a discount on games - it did not make them free.

    This is the official support forum and there are many Q&A's about purchasing games:

    https://community.stadia.com/t5/Payments-Billing/Can-t-buy-games-in-the-Store-OR-HDT-01/m-p/52482

    Got my Stadia Pro account with a credit card...

    ... If you have an Android device, you can also try via the Stadia app to purchase games (once purchased, you can play them everywhere, on mobile, TV or PC).

    Stamau123,

    So it wasn’t bullshit? Well in the end the environment was confusing, as thus it died

    conciselyverbose,

    The "wrong" part was that you could theoretically play games you owned without the subscription active.

    But it was downgraded heavily enough that it wasn't really worth doing.

    Astroturfed,

    I couldn’t figure out how to do anything with one without paying the subscription. The interface was horrible and clearly designed to force you into subscribing before you could even use the thing.

    Molecular0079,

    It was never the case that you literally had to purchase the game on top of the subscription fees

    It depends on the game. There were a bunch of games under “Stadia Play” that came along with the subscription, GamePass style. And then there were games you had to outright purchase.

    Trihilis,

    The main problem with stadia was Google. I knew it was doomed from the start and that’s why I never bothered with it. I actually know a lot of people that didn’t bother with it because it was from Google. It’s basically a self fulfilling prophecy at this point that most of their shit ends up on the Google graveyard.

    A lot of people actually don’t trust Google anymore since they’ve already been screwed over many times by them.

    sadreality, w Baldur's Gate 3 developer says pull your PS5 offline to fix sudden crash issue

    You pay for PSN to be able to play this thing online... PSN does not work.

    What are people paying for?

    Also, release the physical copy assholes... You did it in Japan, why is US consumer getting treated like second class gamer?

    Blizzard,

    What do you need the physical copy for? You will have to download patches anyway.

    sadreality,

    There are millions of reasons, such as people in rural areas with bad internet can't download large game, none of which matter since I am paying customer lol

    I guess if I am alone then fine but I am pretty sure many others wants physical copies of games.

    Blizzard,

    Oh, ok. I thought you were preparing some kind of internet down / zombie apocalypse scenario. But patches can be big too (I think? Haven’t even paid attention to that for some time).

    UrPartnerInCrime,

    If someone I’d going to spend the money on a ps5, games, and whatnot, they can afford to buy a cheap external disc player sorry

    sadreality,

    Weird flex, boy, but ok

    null,

    How do I trade in my digital copy? Or loan it to a friend?

    Blizzard,

    Ok. I don’t do any of that.

    PapaStevesy,

    You’re not the only consumer and they don’t all behave like you. Welcome to society!

    Blizzard,

    I wrote “ok”, didn’t I?

    NeuralDissimilarity,

    “OK” may not be the concession that you appear to think it is. Perhaps you meant “oh, I see,” but clearly it is being interpreted as “okayyy, what-everrrrr.”

    PapaStevesy,

    Yeah, you wrote it, but did you mean it? Not from my interpretation.

    Corkyskog,

    I’m okay with the PSN being down from time to time, nothing is perfect… but WHAT? you can play BG3 offline, but you cant buy it offline? now I am more pissed they won’t sell a disc.

    UrPartnerInCrime,
    Quacksalber,

    Also, release the physical copy assholes… You did it in Japan, why is US consumer getting treated like second class gamer?

    Japanese people by and large demand physical media. In the US, developers have figured that they don’t lose a meaningful amount of money by only providing digital downloads. The typical US customer doesn’t care enough.

    exohuman, w Microsoft's next-generation Xbox pitched as a "cloud hybrid" console
    @exohuman@programming.dev avatar

    I don’t mind trying out games I haven’t played before using the game cloud feature and then installing it once I know it’s worth the time.

    I don’t think I would want the entire console to be cloud based though. Maybe a handheld, but not a console.

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