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Furbag, (edited ) do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

Palworld did more for the monster-collecting genre in one early access title than Pokémon has in the last decade of AAA titles.

Why does Nintendo deserve these patents when they aren’t going to produce anything meaningful with them and simply weaponize them to squash any real threatening competition?

Pokémon is the highest grossing franchise in the world, and 2nd place isn’t even close. I think they can give a little ground to an indie developer who makes games that people are actually interested in playing. The patent bullshit is ridiculous.

SupraMario,

Because that’s how Nintendo works. They are the Disney of gaming.

Ledericas,

hardly call pokemon an AAA title. maybe a solid A+ even before thier enshittification during the SWSH era.

thingsiplay, do gaming w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit [VGC]

One more reason to not buy Nintendo games and play them for free.

vane, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

Can’t they just release free DLC with those features worldwide exlcuding Japan where those patents are enforceable ?

samus12345,

That would be a nice “fuck you,” but it’s probably not worth the extra effort to them.

SARGE,
@SARGE@startrek.website avatar

The spectacle of it would certainly boost sales for a little bit. How much and whether it covers the development time, who knows.

I’d do it on principle alone, but I’m a petty bitch.

samus12345,

It would be neat if modders put all the “patent-infringing” stuff back in.

SARGE,
@SARGE@startrek.website avatar

I’m sure they will.

And as long as none of them try profiting off it, Nintendo has no leg to stand on with their usual C&D bullshit.

vane,

That’s another thing if they could allow specific api and opensource those parts they remove so someone can create mod that brings all of this back. Like we removed it but we make those things opensource, do what you want, we don’t care. It’s not in paid version of our app.

MolochAlter,

Most companies do stuff like that but pocketpair is based in Japan so they can’t, they’d be held accountable.

vane,

I think everyone understands that nintendo are bad guys in this this situation but pocketpair is just scared. They just say we want to get over it as soon as possible to focus on our game. I understand that small company is scared of old, long timer in this business. But they need to turn it over because if they behave like a sheep they will be eaten by wolf.

If they could change narrative and simply add. We removed those things and replaced it with this but we don’t care what you do with our game. Here is api. Do what the fuck you want.

MolochAlter,

Sorry, I meant that most companies do fixes to comply with local legislations/sentences and then ignore them everywhere else, Pocketpair can’t do that because they are being sentenced in their home jurisdiction, so their infractions in other jurisdictions could and would still be brought to court.

gamermanh, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

Cowards, you haven’t lost a legal battle yet so what the fuck are you doing

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Legal battles aren’t exactly cheap and they can drag on for years. Pocket Pair could end up bankrupt in the meantime from excessive legal costs, while Nintendo can keep that shit going for decades.

gradual,

Sounds like a system in need of reform.

Looks like people with money can just use the law to bully those without.

Copyright and patent laws need to die.

Tattorack, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

The last Nintendo console I bought was the Nintendo DS lite. The last Nintendo product I bought was Age of Empires DS The Age of Kings.

As you can probably tell, that was a rather long time ago. Since getting my first TTDS flash card I’ve more or less exclusively pirated Nintendo things. I’ll just continue doing that.

News like this isn’t giving me any remorse.

Yermaw,

I’ve only pirated old stuff, games from my youth that are collectible items now for silly money or a complete crapshoot on whether 30 year old tech has stood the test of time.

If I had the time to play them I would definitely see my conscience clear on pirating new stuff from them now.

samus12345,

I jailbroke my Switch after they went after Yuzu in March last year. Every time I read about them, it makes pirating new games on it more satisfying. I’m really gonna enjoy Metroid Prime 4 on it!

gradual,

I pirated breath of the wild years ago and still haven’t beaten it.

I ended up replaying and finishing Wind Waker on Dolphin though.

gradual,

Based.

We need more anti-consumers like yourself. This is how we fight back.

jsomae, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

Patents should last 10 years instead of 20, and digital patents even less.

Pyr_Pressure,
@Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca avatar

I can see why patents are so long when you need to build like a billion dollar factory to make a product and mass produce it.

Digital concepts don’t take that much investment and once you have it you don’t need to invest in making more, it’s just there.

So yes, digital patents should be a fraction of the time that physical patents should be. Like 2 years instead of 20.

I_Has_A_Hat,

2 years seems like a nightmare for indie developers. Do you want a bunch of AI Chinese cash grabs pushing things out like Hollow Knight 2: Microtransaction Edition or Stardew Valley Romance Sims? Because without IP protection, indie developers will get creamed.

aesthelete,

I don’t remember all of the differences, but I think you’re conflating copyright, patent, and trademark here. Software patents should almost not be a thing, but copyright and trademark should still exist.

Aceticon,

Copyright if elements of the game such as 3D models, images and code have been copied.

Trademark if the name of the game is used (i.e. “Stardew Valley Romance Sims”).

Patents for game mechanics.

As a side note, personally I think that game mechanics shouldn’t be at all patentable

9bananas,

in most countries, afaik, you actually can’t patent game mechanics, for the same reason you can’t patent rule sets for boardgames:

because they are essentially just logical connections. it would be like patenting math, which is also not allowed, for very obvious reasons. (with some very specific, very niche exceptions)

japan is just plain weird and wrong about their patent system.

that’s why all of the lawsuits about this stuff are happening in japan; not just because that’s where the companies are, but because japanese copyright law is (especially) fucked.

jsomae,

I don’t believe those indie developers have any patents.

gonzo-rand19,
@gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com avatar

You don't need a patent to protect the IP of a game. That's what copyright is for.

BlameTheAntifa,

Digital patents should not exist. Period.

jsomae,

For trivial software features like these, definitely not. I think patents start to make sense in the area of really advanced algorithms, like SAT solvers, ML, and so on. So conditional on patents in general making sense, those kinds of patents seem legit to me.

gradual,

Copyright and patent laws should go away entirely.

SoftestSapphic, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

Nintendo ownes the IP of hangliders now.

Nintendo will never see another cent from me for this petty bullshit. My kids will play with other toys.

SARGE,
@SARGE@startrek.website avatar

Nintendo can sue me any day, I’m out here making RC hang gliders and making tiny 3 second games where the only purpose is to pull out a glider and put it away instantly.

gradual,

This is why we should’ve been pirating from the beginning.

All the money we give these scumfucks is being used against us.

Snowclone, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

I need to start patenting random game mechanics, apparently.

gradual,

Might be cool to have AI come up with a bunch of mechanics to patent.

JoShmoe, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

Palworld dev dares Nintendo to sue. Nintendo sues. Palworld bends over. Seems like everyone got what they wanted.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

The first attempt to sue was over copyright. Nintendo figured it had no grounds, so it went for patent bullshit

JoShmoe,

Palworld picked a fight with a bigger fish. The law doesn’t care about morals.

rdri,

They didn’t start the fight. They were sued. If you think “picking a fight with Nintendo” is something you can do any time, and on your own volition, you must be missing something.

JoShmoe,

I finally decided to look into it. I didn’t find any statements matching my claim.

SaharaMaleikuhm, do games w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit

I don’t care about Palworld, but I do hate Nintendo. Enemy of my enemy and all that.

chunes,

I don’t care about it either personally, but my wife really enjoys playing the game with friends, and I’m pissed on her behalf. Luckily, she’s told me the devs are being really good about making the changes feel good (not like a punishment).

lvxferre, do gaming w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit [VGC]
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

I feel like I’ve been using this metaphor a bit too often, but: Nintendo is shitting its pants to make Pocketpair (PalWorld dev) smell. So far, the results of the litigation have been slightly bad for Pocketpair, but really bad for Nintendo - just the sheer amount of negative publicity is likely costing Nintendo more money than it could ever get from this turf war.

Chowtime3688, do gaming w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit [VGC]

It’s been a good while since I played, but I thought you rode the pals to fly? How can they have a patent on riding flying things?

MangoPenguin,

Especially since that’s a thing that almost every MMORPG does too.

Transtronaut,

Riding is unaffected, it’s only hang gliding that got removed. But it makes just as little sense in that context. None of this patent trolling is justifiable, Nintendo is just using the broken Japanese patent law system to crush competition from smaller companies making better games.

Linktank, do gaming w Palworld confirms ‘disappointing’ game changes forced by Pokémon lawsuit [VGC]

Nintendo, ruining peoples fun since… forever.

Telorand,

This. Stop buying their shit due to FOMO, and make them work for your money.

ryannathans,

Just stop buying their shit lol

HotsauceHurricane, do gaming w Console prices could rise by 69% in the US due to Trump tariffs, tech trade association warns [VGC]
@HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one avatar

(not)Nice.

Ulrich, do gaming w Console prices could rise by 69% in the US due to Trump tariffs, tech trade association warns [VGC]
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

They could. Or Trump could fold tomorrow. No one knows. I don’t even think Trump knows.

theangriestbird,
@theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

i think the article specifies that this is a new forecast based upon the Trump admin solidifying the final shape of the tariffs. So it seems unlikely at this phase that they will fold the current numbers, but we all know how smooth and predictable the Trump admin is.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

There’s no “solidifying” anything with this guy. His reign is based on his whims and emotions.

Midnitte,

And everyone knows uncertainty is wonderful for the market and economy.

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