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Jimmycrackcrack, do games w It looks like someone at Activision is leaking Slack screenshots to right-wing X users

Gee these men-children are going to be awfully sad when there’s no one left to make their games for them anymore and they have nothing left to do but face the shitty reality they’ve created.

_sideffect,

Um… The gaming industry did much, MUCH better before it was filled with activists.

SPRUNT,

Um… The gaming industry did much, MUCH better before it was filled with activists.

Capitalists. The word you’re looking for is capitalists.

_sideffect,

Wrong. Gaming industry was doing fantastic before.

el_bhm,

Capitalism broke gaming twice already. Once in the 80s.

_sideffect,

Ah yeah! Games have been free since the 80s, I completely forgot!

MothmanDelorian,

There’s only one maybe two good video games not made by capitalists (Tetris and Disco Elysium).

_sideffect,

You REALLY need to look up what happened with disco Elysium then come back and use it as an example.

MothmanDelorian,

That’s why it is “one or two”. The guys that made DE weren’t capitalists. The guys that published and sold DE were capitalists.

Regardless it’s an incredibly silly claim to suggest capitalism ruined video games when so few examples of good non-capitalist games exist

_sideffect,

Sorry I misunderstood your stance; yes you’re absolutely right

Jaderick,

By what metric? Business is booming.

_sideffect,

Yeah all those layoffs, mass studio closures, and over 15k game jobs lost(just in 24) sure do mean business is going great!

caseofthematts,

All of those are due to the drastic increase in jobs during covid. This is happening in many, many tech related careers. It is not because of inclusivity. Get your head out of your ass.

_sideffect,

That’s a factor, but it’s not the only reason, jackass. Look at the games that failed and how they were backed by activists, which led to studio closures.

Ubisoft is mostly subsidized in Quebec by taxpayers, and they have their lowest profits ever because of activists as well.

ArtemisimetrA,

Or maybe it’s because we’re sick of assassin’s creed n², you numpty. Go seek to confirm your biases elsewhere

_sideffect,

Lmaooo Nothing to do with AC.

Star wars flopped as well.

umean2me,
@umean2me@discuss.online avatar

It’s because of their shitty horrible business practices, nobody wants to pay $100 for a rushed game and nobody wants to invest time into their 500th live service game that they’ll stop supporting in a year.

_sideffect,

That only relates to the price, not how terribly the game was made.

umean2me,
@umean2me@discuss.online avatar

You would have to jump through a lot of hoops to conclude that activism makes you a bad game developer. If they’re exploiting their customers constantly to try to increase profit margins, they are more than likely exploiting their workers, who they have much more control over.

_sideffect,

Not really, all the current failures in gaming are attributed to activism in games. Dustborn, Concord, veilguard, etc

umean2me,
@umean2me@discuss.online avatar

You’re telling me that a bland and generic Overwatch clone with character designs that were reductive to the groups they were supposed to represent failed because of activists? The games you listed didn’t fail because of activism, they failed because their “activism” was a marketing stunt instead of being actually progressive. There are plenty of games developed by people that care about those issues where they’re represented accurately and appropriately. Those games usually do well and win awards. Making a game where you meaninglessly and inaccurately pander to minority groups is not the result of activism, it’s trying to leech off of actual activism.

_sideffect,

Um… Yes? You’re proving my own point based on what you just wrote.

The people that made Dustborn, Concord, etc, all wanted to push a narrative instead of making a good fun game.

Activists, woke people, etc, are more than welcome in the game industry… As long as they keep that shit to themselves. Leave that idiotic nonsense at home.

You get to work, you work to make a good product, and that’s it.

umean2me,
@umean2me@discuss.online avatar

You’re missing the point of what I said. Concord and Dustborn did not try to send a message, they tried to get the profits they thought would come from associating with the message, and implemented it horribly. This is not activism. That would be like saying Instagram changing their logo to rainbow for a month is activism.

As for true activism, video games are both entertainment and an art form. Saying to “leave that shit at home” is missing the point of artistic mediums in their entirety.

_sideffect,

That’s not true at all.

Dustborn didn’t try to send a message? Did you even play it or watch videos on it? Go do that then come back.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Yea yea, it’s all sweetbaby and DEI fault and not corporations being greedy hellholes that only worry about quarterly profits since forever. /s

_sideffect,

Sbi needs to go back to the cave they crawled out of.

Since when were corporations NOT greedy? It’s hilarious you think that it’s only now that they got greedy, lmao

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Please point out where I implied that corporations got greedy “only now”. Hint: i said “since forever”, the implication is that they were always shit. Then again, can’t expect much from you.

_sideffect,

You don’t even understand what you said yourself, lmao

RedAggroBest,

Sounds like a “I liked Star Trek before it was woke” take.

Adalast,

Oh god, I “love” those people. Same as the guy who was pissed about how woke Rage Against the Machine had become. Like bruh… Seriously?!?

_sideffect,

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  • Whateley,

    Yeah, having a poc or queer character in your shitty video games is the biggest example activism since the Civil Rights Movement.

    Tedesche,

    It’s more about the messaging. The mere presence of a POC or trans character isn’t bothersome to most people. But when that character comes with dialogue lines that make the political messaging obvious, then they’re no longer a character that happens to be non-White or trans; they’re a political prop inserted into a game to send a political message, and that can be quite irksome when all you’re trying to do is play a fantasy RPG and escape from the world for a bit, even if you actually agree with the message.

    _sideffect,

    Exactly. Don’t lecture us about being trans or etc.

    We honestly don’t care. (Yes, a small percentage of people are actually bigots and hate gays/trans for being who they are). The rest of us just don’t want it shoved down our throats.

    It’s like making a game and having the main character proclaiming: “look how straight I am! Wow I sure do love women! I’m so straight and anyone who isn’t should do pushups”.

    Tedesche,

    And yet, from the downvoting here and everywhere else this comes up, it’s clear: some people can’t take nuanced opinions on topics like this. If you object in any capacity, you’re the worst possible objector.

    _sideffect,

    Because they’re all leftists/activists. They don’t know what sells games yet they scream and shout that it’s our fault that the games didn’t sell well

    Tedesche,

    shrug The Right does pretty much the same thing. It’s all fucked.

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    The rest of us just don’t want it shoved down our throats.

    and when you put storytelling of any kind that way, it tells me who you really are.

    no one is shoving anything down your throat sweetie, you paid your money for a game before checking it out. that’s your mistake, not the devs.

    _sideffect,

    You completely missed the point just so you can keep your ears and eyes closed.

    Keep living in your bubble and being angry at the world, it sounds fun!

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    Keep living in your bubble and being angry at the world, it sounds fun!

    lol you’re so isolated from reality you can’t even tell

    _sideffect,

    Keep living with your horse blinders on, bud!

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    you’re a sad little chud. gonna block you now, have a wretched life.

    ZeroHora,
    @ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

    A bad written character is a bad written character, their dialogue could be about candies and is still a bad written character. This argument is bullshit, bad case of confirmatory bias.

    Tedesche,

    No, it’s not about the writing. It’s when’s a game feels like it’s preaching at you. Not the same problem at all.

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    The mere presence of a POC or trans character isn’t bothersome to most people.

    but some people LOSE THEIR ABSOLUTE SHIT over it lol.

    fuck em, let them die angry.

    inclementimmigrant,

    Such a moronic take based on absolutely nothing.

    _sideffect,

    Great counter argument, lmaooo

    inclementimmigrant, (edited )

    It’s the only response required when you don’t even have any evidence, empirical or otherwise, to back up your moroinc claim.

    Go away pigeon, you can’t play chess.

    _sideffect,

    Lmao, coming from a neckbeard, that’s a positive.

    You don’t even know how to speak in social gatherings yet feel powerful behind a keyboard.

    umean2me,
    @umean2me@discuss.online avatar

    There are plenty of record breaking games that have released while the industry has been “filled with activists.” Many of them are even about politics, like Helldivers 2.

    _sideffect,

    Yes, there are good studios, when did I say there weren’t?

    Stellar blade did amazingly. Good game, and no woke bs activists = profits

    KingThrillgore,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    Stellar Blade had a stripper as a player character, and that itself created a meta dialogue about how every other video game doesn’t

    _sideffect,

    Have you even played the game? No, because you’re still crying that your activist games didn’t sell well.

    Play stellar blade and realize that it’s a fantastic game, combat wise and design wise.

    KingThrillgore,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’d love to. If it was released on PC.

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    before it was filled with activists.

    and exactly when was this? lol

    when did all the activists take over. Pong?

    Colecovision?

    _sideffect,

    Are you delusional? Or just naive? Open your eyes.

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    so you can’t tell me when.

    because you know, it’s always been that way.

    what a fucking sad life that must be to lead, to know, yet deny it with every fiber of your being because you can’t accept.

    inclementimmigrant,

    Just down vote and move on. She’s just a troll with no facts or figures, she just wants your attention that Daddy never gave her growing up. It was either the pole or the troll for her.

    _sideffect,

    I provided plenty of examples and you stick your fingers in your ears to ignore it all.

    Lmao, typical. Your bubble is about to pop, thanks to trump. I’m here to watch.

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    yeah, you’re right, they’re just a chud.

    Your bubble is about to pop, thanks to trump.

    I mean, goddamn… chudtastic take

    _sideffect,

    You don’t even want to look. You think games are failing just because or capitalism which is the dumbest, leftist excuse that you always all give when you don’t have the knowledge to see what’s truly happening.

    Enjoy living in your angry little leftist bubble echo chamber.

    inclementimmigrant,

    Hey I’m going to have a discussion with you because honestly she’s kind of unhinged and needs to be back on the pole.

    Hey did you know that revenue from the gaming industry for the past 40-ish years went from 15 billion to 183 billion since 2022?

    visualcapitalist.com/video-game-industry-revenues…

    I do wonder where on that timeline woke took down the industry.

    Hey did you know baldur’s Gate 3, full of inclusion, sold 15 million copies? They went woke and made a shit ton of money making a great game.

    gamingbolt.com/baldurs-gate-3-has-reportedly-sold…

    Did you also know that marvel rivals, that somehow idiots think it’s woke earned 130 million in it’s first month. I mean that’s a whole other capitalism conversation but still.

    screenrant.com/marvel-rivals-earns-130-million-fi…

    I don’t know, I know pigeons can’t play and shouldn’t play chess but can they pole dance?

    mojofrododojo,
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    you can see the publishers just going out of business because of all that woke money. oh wait. $184.3 billion. nevermind lol

    SkunkWorkz, do games w It looks like someone at Activision is leaking Slack screenshots to right-wing X users

    I’m surprised that people feel safe to discuss those things in a Slack of a company that creates American Imperialistic propaganda. It’s a certainty that crypto-fascists are among them, no matter how progressive the companies policies are. The stuff they make attracts right wingers.

    AlecSadler, do games w It looks like someone at Activision is leaking Slack screenshots to right-wing X users

    Hope they catch them and I hope those individuals lose their jobs.

    swordgeek,

    Not good ennough. Doxxing should carry criminal charges.

    Kaboom, do games w It looks like someone at Activision is leaking Slack screenshots to right-wing X users

    So customers are now informed? And this is a bad thing?

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    “This employee took screenshots of ABK wide discussions about the safety of our protected information (like name changes and visa statuses) and sent them to an an extremely racist, sexist, and transphobic individual on Twitter who has over a 100 thousand followers,” they added.

    icecreamtaco,
    @icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Fuck off; this is doxxing and mass harassment. If you want social change go ahead but do it peacefully.

    BehindetheClouds,

    ^ This right here, what happened to their rallying call “Go Woke, Go Broke” ? I guess it’s not working, so they’re going to harass people instead.

    No one will stop them from not buying something. But forcing people out of jobs via threats is another level of fucked up.

    Kaboom,

    What happened to Concord? And what happened to Marvel Rivals?

    BehindetheClouds, (edited )

    Like really? Concord went bust because of woke? It can’t be an overused genre and a bad game? It has to be “wokeism”?

    Like, please think.

    And ask for marvel rivals I think you’re confusing that with multiverse.

    Edit: like I’m not even against a game that is just trad wives and big tits or whatever, it’s up to the customer if they want to buy that. And if they do there will be a market for it.

    Edit 2: didn’t notice the poster deleted his comment, here it is:

    “What happened to Concord? And what happened to Marvel Rivals?”

    ocassionallyaduck,

    There is. Plenty of giant titties on trad wives in the Steam category for porn games. Oddly that seems to overlap with this audience strongly…

    DreamlandLividity,

    Seems to me like names were censored in the released slack screenshots (except the CEO). Were there uncensored screenshots that I missed or that were deleted?

    icecreamtaco,
    @icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

    The Jan 20 tweet linked in the article is uncensored

    DreamlandLividity,

    Ah, right. Thanks.

    RageAgainstTheRich,

    Informed of what? The next target of right wing shitheads on youtube and twitter? Use your brain.

    Edit: see you’re a right winger yourself. So using your brain will be difficult. Asshole.

    Kaboom,

    That it’s a lefty company with a lefty culture?

    ocassionallyaduck,

    Stop buying their shit then. Leave the people who make it the fuck alone.

    “Go woke go broke” vote with your dollars and let their “wokeness” fail in the free market. Don’t fucking harass people.

    Kaboom,

    Easy there, I’m already planning on not buying it, just like I’m sure plenty of others are planning not to. Just need to get the word out that the company isn’t one to buy from.

    With any luck, it’ll be the next Veilguard.

    ocassionallyaduck,

    Good, now you just have to avoid buying from…

    checks staff lists

    Every single major publisher.

    Good luck. Don’t play that woke Call of Duty or that DEI Fortnite while you’re at it. And avoid the mind virus of Elden Ring and Bandai Namco.

    Kaboom,

    I was already not playing AAA, if only because of MTX. I’ve been playing games like Mullet Madjack lately.

    RageAgainstTheRich,

    They are not doing anything wrong, dipshit. What is the horrific thing they are doing? Protecting trans colleagues? Protecting people of color they work with? Just because your fuhrer wants a white straight male environment, does not mean everyone else does. Go outside for once in your life. Maybe you will gain some empathy for your fellow humans.

    Kaboom,

    Being left wing is not wrong, just like being right wing isn’t wrong. Further more, nothing wrong with customers being more informed about the company they’re buying from.

    What, are you upset that the multinational corporation might lose out on a few sales?

    Whateley,

    being right wing isn’t wrong

    Lol, yes it is, you brainrotted simpleton. Your continued attempts at normalizing psychotic behavior under the auspices of consumer protection proves as much.

    Go do a few cartwheels through a busy intersection, chud.

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Activision is a lefty company with a lefty culture. Dear fucking lord, that has to be one of the worst takes I’ve read on lemmy. What’s next, Mark Zuckerberg is a deep cover lefty librul?

    inclementimmigrant,

    Come on, she’s too Republican to ever admit she’s wrong. Just down here, block and move on since she just craves attention that Daddy never have her.

    Old_Yharnam,

    Stupid take

    Squizzy,

    Bootlicker

    Jaderick,

    Give us your name and address so we can be informed. That’s not a bad thing, we’ll be better informed.

    Kaboom,

    Donald. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500

    (Hint, we already know who works where, via LinkedIn.)

    MurrayL, do games w It looks like someone at Activision is leaking Slack screenshots to right-wing X users

    I’m honestly surprised that Slack doesn’t have some kind of steganographic watermarking so that leaked screenshots can be traced back to the original user, given how many big companies use it for all their internal comms.

    icecreamtaco,
    @icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Even so, they’re going find this person fast. ABK staff just has to cross reference all the participants of leaked meetings

    surewhynotlem,

    I see you don’t use slack at work. Everyone is in every channel all the time for no reason. It’s madness.

    icecreamtaco,
    @icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

    I did use slack; we had general channels with tons of people and smaller channels/meeting rooms with 5-30 people. If it was a 5-30 channel they can be found.

    Kushan,
    @Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

    Only if that channel was private. You don’t have to join a channel to be able to read its contents.

    SatanClaus,

    Oh what the fuck. I don’t believe Teams is that way.

    smeg,

    Just one of the reasons that Teams is horrible to use!

    shalafi,

    There are public and private channels, simple as.

    smeg,

    The reason is that it’s great for collaboration and sharing info

    KingThrillgore,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    If this person is like every other online chud they’ll find him before they finish cross referencing chat attendees.

    Squizzy,

    Christ I got added to this for college, such a mess of an app. Really difficult to follow what is what on it.

    KeefChief13,

    Umm, its just trxt channels, not that hard.

    Squizzy,

    Ok well Im not an idiot, I have plenty of comms apps and that one died really quickly presumably because everyone’s experience was as boring and disjointed as mine

    Evotech,

    It’s really not. Depends on how your structure it I suppose

    LiveLM,

    These companies can barely the basics work on their apps, let alone all of this

    frezik,

    The techniques you’re thinking of are for documents sent by email or some such. You add innocuous whitespace or typos that are unique to each one, and send them individually. If one leaks, you can match it to the employee who received it. That doesn’t work for screenshots of Slack.

    ChairmanMeow,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    Well you could make it work, for example some random pattern in chat backgrounds that trace back to whoever is the user. That would still show up in a screenshot.

    frezik,

    Slack or the OS would need to support it directly, and I don’t think either of those have it.

    ChairmanMeow,
    @ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

    True, but that’s why the original comment seemed surprised, that a service like Slack doesn’t have this given how many corporations use it.

    ampersandrew, do games w It looks like someone at Activision is leaking Slack screenshots to right-wing X users
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    gross

    entropicdrift, do gaming w Crush 40 singer sues Sega over Sonic Adventure 2's 'Live and Learn' theme song
    !deleted5697 avatar

    Poor guy. I mean he’s ridiculously lucky to be as famous as he is and to have been compensated fairly for the rest of his Sonic/SEGA music but it sucks that one of his most famous works has effectively been stolen by a corporation’s sense of entitlement.

    scholar, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games

    Still weird that they stopped selling them on steam and gog…

    Quazatron, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games
    @Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

    Excellent that they don’t engage in Nintendo level community hostility and at least let people who care about old games preserve them.

    Stream goes one step further and actively maintains their legacy games playable. That is commitment.

    FinalRemix,

    Gog goes another step and provides a guarantee on stuff they’ve modified to ensure it works, and provide an offline installer that’s entirely self-contained for archviing purposes.

    Quazatron,
    @Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

    I prefer to buy GOG when possible, Steam second. I even have some duplicated titles across vendors.

    Nuke_the_whales,

    Every dev and game company is out for your money. They all suck not just Nintendo.

    DacoTaco,
    @DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Eh, i wouldnt say they are better. They explicitly pulled all unreal games off all stores ( steam, epic store, gog, … ), killed all servers and when asked acted like unreal never existed. They are pieces of shit for doing it and they had no real reason in doing so imo…

    Glide, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games

    While I don’t approve of Epic’s stabs at exclusivity, Steam needs a competitor to keep it in check, and one that is making some efforts to support the preservation of art is a welcome choice.

    HakFoo,

    But GOG is alresdy the Steam with Principals.

    echodot,

    As much as I like them I don’t think you can call them a competitor.

    I’ve seen games that are available on both platforms that sell hundreds of times more copies on Steam simply because of steam’s reputation.

    A competitor actually has to be able to compete.

    szczuroarturo,

    Im pretty sure gog is more popular than epic games . Alghtough i might be biased due to my country of origin.

    Glide, (edited )

    My experience with GOG is that it is a fringe option, at least in the combined North American (USA+Canada) culture. Plus, the unfortunate reality is that in many cases GOG’s principles preclude it from being a genuine competitor to Steam. Insisting on being DRM free means half of released games never go to the platform, so it will always be the secondary “better if” option.

    I worry about Steam’s functional monopoly on PC game access. It hasn’t been an issue so far, because it has remembered that it is, first and foremost, a service, providing consumer protection through a generous refund policy and supporting devs with easy access to simple matchmaking and anti-cheat systems. But without a healthy competitor, it would be easy for Steam to start milking it’s users and developers alike.

    szczuroarturo,

    Im pretty sure gog does have some games with drm.

    otp,

    Really? I thought their whole thing was that they sell DRM-free stuff exclusively

    Zer0_F0x, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games

    Oh man, UT2004 was my fave arena death match back in the day, so much fun. Hope they release more!

    3laws, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games

    Every 10,000 cycles Epic has a small w. I’ll take it.

    stardust, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games

    Winning move from Epic. Showing what should be done for abandoned games. Give it back to the people so it can continued to be enjoyed by the community that will continue to care for it.

    echodot,

    There’s literally no reason not to do that. The game has long since made money and keeping it out of public ownership is now not doing anyone any favors.

    Some studios are just intransigent.

    Rin, do games w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games

    Sussy, but i’m glad

    thejevans, do gaming w Epic Games is officially cool with the Internet Archive preserving early Unreal games
    @thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

    Why the hell aren’t UT2004 and UT3 in there as well?

    realcaseyrollins,
    @realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club avatar

    In the Epic Games Store? They removed them some time ago. Not sure why.

    thejevans,
    @thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

    I know that. I mean why are they not part of this agreement with the Internet Archive.

    barsoap,

    Hmm it also got pulled from gog.

    UT2004 Onslaught is still the best game mode ever btw. Haven’t played in a long while but like ten years ago there were still a good number of servers around. Not enough players for the big maps, though, those need like 20 people per team and good luck convincing a server full of deathmatch players to play as teams.

    thejevans,
    @thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

    HOLY SHIT Onslaught was definitely WICKED SICK

    bjoern_tantau,
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    The agreement wasn’t made with the Internet Archive but with OldUnreal so that they can distribute an installer that automatically downloads the games.

    But hopefully it can be expanded to the later games as well.

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