They’re very different games, in my opinion. If “bang for your buck” is most important then BG3 has objectively more content. It’s way longer, has way more side content and can support many playthroughs.
I think BG3 is a very good game, but it is not perfect and it is somewhat overrated. It’s a great game, but not the best game ever. It has a fair share of flaws, and while the writing is fine it’s still very much videogamey.
Expedition 33 is more of a work of art. It still has its problems too, but at all the critical points it delivers in spades. It’s got a great cast of characters, beautiful art direction and a story with resonant themes that will hit home with most people. Plus one of the best soundtracks of all time. It’s got fantastic presentation, some incredible set pieces and moments and phenomenal voice acting, direction and facial expressions. Even though the game is turn-based, the implementation of active elements like Parry and Dodge will feel very familiar to you coming from Elden Ring. In fact, one of the gameplay designers used to be a Sekiro speedrunner, and it shows.
From your frame of reference BG3 is more like Skyrim I’d say, in that it can almost be your “forever-game”. People put thousands of hours into it over dozens of playthroughs and it has a very vivid modding scene. Expedition 33 is all about that one, cinematic impactful playthrough. Maybe you play it a second time to pick up on foreshadowing and stuff like that.
For me personally I had a great time playing BG3, but I will eventually forget about it. I spent fewer hours in Expedition 33, but the experience will stay with me way longer.
You worded my reasoning for Clair Obscur much better than I could have.
OP: I loved Clair Obscur and highly recommend it. The story and gameplay is just so engaging, and it honestly might be the most beautiful game I’ve ever played in both art and soundtrack.
With the exception of the words “somewhat overrated”, I agree with this 100%. I have probably ~1000 hours in bg3 and just shy of 100 in expedition 33.
I wish I could play Expedition 33 for the first time again. It’s amazing. And it is very much a work of art.
With BG3 I can play it for the first time again by making different choices, adding mods, and choosing different classes. It’s a very fun video game with a lot of choices.
I’d highly recommend both. If someone is searching to fill between 40 and 100 hours (I like side quests, ok?) then Expedition 33 is absolutely amazing. If someone were looking to spend a couple of years before they have the money for another game then I can absolutely recommend BG3.
BG3 clearly has a lot of effort and polish put in, but overrated still resonates with me. I didn’t get out of act one because I find DnD mechanically tedious to play and the the gallery of rogues style characters more annoying than endearing.
What makes you say BG3 is overrated? I totally understand it’s not necessarily for everyone, but it’s basically without peer in the genre if you’re huge into that style of game like I am. Now admittedly a component of why people say it’s so good is that Larian has had amazing community engagement so I guess that could be an argument. I do wish that Act 3 had gotten the more content they were thinking of but it’s better that they’ve had so much attention to detail I mean I’m not sure there’s a game that comes close in terms of how many choices you get to make.
The gameplay is good, but being shackled to D&D 5E is not ideal. I have a lot of issues with the writing of the game in general, Act 3 is also very bad. It’s still a great game, it’s just that people frequently claim it’s the best game of all time and I think that’s overrating it.
Fair points. I disagree that 5E isn’t ideal for this game specifically. Other systems are quite complex to implement in a game so less accessible. Imagine all the people who struggle with the 5e rules trying to play the game in pathfinder. I don’t play 5e anymore but I think it’s pretty decent for a crpg. I can agree that the writing isn’t perfect though. The character writing and such is quite good but the overall main plot is a bit weak I suppose. Sure there are parts of it that could be better but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be called one of the greatest games. It’s accessible for normie non crpg players, the characters are fun, there’s lots of choices and unlike say a Bethesda game they actually matter lol.
Somewhat unrelated how do you feel about divinity if you’ve played it in comparison to bg3? Do you think some of the issues with bg3 might be due to using existing IP if you like divinity better?
Admittedly it’s been a while since I played D:OS2, but I enjoyed that combat system quite a lot. No random success chance felt good, the action economy was more interesting and the skills had more freedom and interesting effects because they didn’t have to stick to existing 5E material. Magic/physical armor was an interesting strategic factor to play around and combat mostly felt good - although yes, it did frequently and infamously devolve into elemental surface spam.
Writing wise it’s all still in the patented Larian tone, which is sometimes funny but frequently unserious and sort of Marvel-esque for better or worse. I didn’t mind it as much in DOS2, but I was quite a few years younger when I played it. The romance sucked in that game too but at least one positive is I don’t remember every companion throwing themselves at you in a pathetic display of wish fulfillment protagonist-sexuality writing like they do in BG3.
FF11 followed by Guild Wars. I would probably have many more if I didn’t get old and more responsibilities. When those came out, I was still living at my parents’ home for a few more years. I remember playing all night, and my parents got up and got ready for work, and I would go to bed just to avoid the shame and immediately go back on when they left.
I’ve been wanting to make something like this for a while but never got around to it.
I also wanted to get a dedicated piece of hardware ala the Steam Deck or a Raspberry Pi or something, so Indie devs would have a spec to target to ensure smooth gameplay while not having to do any kind of special build since it would run normal Linux. A proper Linux Console
I also wanted to design a custom controller for it. I actually got the PCB designed, but never made it and never made the enclosure. It was gonna be kinda like the new Horis where it’s half-modern controller/half-SNES controller, only mine is based on the XBox layout not the PlayStation’s, and also I had the buttons oriented somewhat like a gamecube, with a big “main” button, a smaller secondary button, and two auxiliary buttons (tho arranged in XBox order still)
It wa really hard having fun ripping through the wasteland as the ugliest self-indulgent chaotic-evil idiot savant I could be, while knowing the backstory is from perfect picket fences and I could lecture Dominic Torreto on family.
I won’t even play the game without modding it, and first in line is always Start Me Up. You can write your own story about who you are and it converts all the Sean quests into “find this dead guy’s kid.” So much better.
Oh, that’s cool. That rnlght be worth a reinstall once I finish my current games… IF I can make it out of Nexus with under 15 mins browsing mods and not picking up any that CTD and take an hour to isolate and remove lol
i really hope bethesda can hire some writers one day, rather than having the entire office collectively create the story on a single medium sized whiteboard
Sorry I should have clarified, Fallout New Vegas is the best Fallout game AFTER Bethesda bought out Black Isle Studios. Devs from Black Isle helped on NV thats why it was so good!
If I had all that money in the world I would buy the rights to Friends and New Vegas and send Pinkerton agents after anyone who held an unauthorized copy. I’d then burn every single fucking one of them.
Luckily I do not have the money so the game continues to exist and I just sit in the corner, never opening my mouth because most people would try to kill me the second they I say that New Vegas bored me worse than Twilight.
I mean I wouldn’t kill you if it bored you it bored you! That’s fair game, not everyone is going to like the same shit and if anyone’s gets anymore than the tiny bit heated for you saying New Vegas is boring then they need to come off the internet. The internet, should be about expressing opinions and free speech, while others propose an agreement or disagreement but only in a manner of conversation. Never in a manner of ‘I’m better than you’ or ‘you must be stupid because I don’t agree with you’. So all in all, I love New Vegas, but if you dont that’s fine. Plus the first part made me laugh for the first time today so go you!
Said to a buddy the other day that New Vegas is my least favorite game and his instant response was “We can’t be friends anymore”. Had the same convo with someone else yesterday too and the same response.
Like NV is fine. I have no issue with the game itself, there’s nothing wrong with it, its just not my thing. I liked Fallout 3 and 4 because I like sorting through the ruins of civilization and putting together the pieces of what happened. But New Vegas is settlements and civilizations and factions and conversations as far as the eye can see. Fallout 76 was too balanced towards having nothing in it and Fallout New Vegas was balanced towards having too much for me. And it’s not like I didn’t play NV. I got a couple hundred hours in it and have done my fair share of fuckery. I’ve been beaten by the old ladies with rolling pins (THAT, I fully admit, got me hard) I’ve exploded a motel ladies head from a dude inside of a dinosaur, I went to far off casinos but meh.
Also, and I will die on this hill specifically, Fallout 3 had a better musical selection than New Vegas did. At least for me. 95% of the GNR music I can bop along to but I’m constantly changing stations in NV to escape westerns.
It frustrates me when people form an opinion based on zero experience. How would they know they do or not like it if they haven’t tried? But you have and you’ve gave it a fair whack by the sounds of it. And I totally get the overwhelming sensation NV can give you, after hundreds of hours I know the feeling. Fallout 3 was special for me as its the first one I played and I really enjoyed it, I felt NV did a better job, for me though. However 4, I think is a different ballpark because it skips a lot of the core elements of both of those games a wittles it down to be able to suit a more, easiest way to say it, ‘dumbed down audience’ and I think it was marketed wrong. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried it but I had 1000x more fun in 4 when I didn’t follow any quest or map markers or storylines. I got out the vault and just went a explored and I treated it as I was roleplaying ad an explorer. I see a building, I think oh I’ll go look at that that looks cool. And I enjoyed it so much more cause I played it without stress of the storyline but I enjoyed just searching around and seeing what I could find and there were so many parts I hadn’t explored before! In that aspect, from an exploration point of view, I really enjoyed 4.
Also the old ladies and the roling pins, you ain’t alone…awful that I know exactly what you mean haha
Also massive preach, NV has nothing on the F3 & F4 soundtracks. And 76, I played an hour or two so I can’t really comment.
I’m just laughing over the downvotes. See exactly what I mean? People cannot handle a differing opinion. I said nothing about NV being objectively worse, just why I don’t like it but nah. Not good enough. How fragile and insecure some people are would be truly side-splittingly hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
I prefer 3 and 4 to NV any day of the week but… 4? It’s a worse game than any of the others by every margin. How I do play it is exactly how you described. I go and explore. There’s a lot less overall civilization and basically the same thing as 3 when it came to hyper simple factions. But my focus is always that exploration. It’s why I like Oblivion and Skyrim too. That same feel of wonder and awe of getting to explore something and not knowing what treasures or terrors you may find.
76 I played a very very small amount because I just don’t dig MMORPGs in general. Feels like my impact doesn’t change the world as much as you see it in single players. Can’t say much in the run of music or anything else there either. But I did like being able to wander around and find new things when I was first playing it.
And the music… yeah. Bingo bango bingo he don’t wanna leave the congo oh no no no no nooooooooooooooooooooo
Mental…people are just wet wipes but hey ho. Everyone’s entitled to whatever opinion they want, being able to communicate effectively and understand other opinions though is the kicker.
Oblivion and Skyrim are my G’s! I’ve spent so many hours on them and its exactly how I play them! Especially Skyrim, the wow factor does die after a while but I lowkey roleplay it sometimes and just go for a wander or a walk through an unknown fantasy universe wondering what’s beyond the corner. It makes it 10x more interesting and its how I think they should have marketed Fallout 4. 10x better as a exploration game than a RPG.
Maybe one day I’ll try 76, just to explore a new environment created by Bethesda but its not at the top of my list, same as ESO. Gave that up straight away. Ahhh yes the musiccc, brings me back
If you’re worried about it, bg3 will give you more bang for your buck. Easy to get near 100 hours in the first playthrough and it has a ton of replay value. 33 you’ll prob get 20-40 hours depending on side content you do and it doesn’t have much replay value.
Speaking as someone who loved both and got 100% achievements in 33. Should do both though.
I got about 30 hours doing most stuff. The thing is that there is more of the game after the story is done, about double the content or so i have read. I did not do that part myself so can’t say much about it.
Ironically much like BG3, the third act of E33 is a mess. There is a ton of important side content with character moments and lore, particularly relating to Clea but also the whole Maelle relationship quest. But the pacing is completely off, it’s all presented as optional and it just feels very rushed. A “Definitive Edition” type patch or DLC that retools and restructures Act 3 would do E33 a world of good.
For expedition? Side content about doubles the length of the game, and all of it is doable before completing the story. NG+ is a thing and massively cranks the level of all enemies, but nothing else changes
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