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any1th3r3, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

No?

Realistically, as you mentioned with FF XIV ARR now being a classic but also being a pain to get into is true for any other older FF, many people simply have rose tinted glasses to keep them from seeing all the flaws present in those prior entries.
I also started with FF VII, but 25 years after its release, and let me tell you that it did not age well (at all) imo.

Had I not picked up FF XVI, I probably wouldn’t have given the series another chance.
I now played both FF VII remakes to date and absolutely loved them, especially Rebirth, and am going through FF VI, which I also think is a masterpiece tbh.
FF IV didn’t work out for me, but that’s fine.

All that to say, video game series evolve, ARPGs have been quite popular for a while and FF went that route - for now. That doesn’t make for bad games, and the series will keep evolving.

taiyang, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

X is around the time FF lost it’s main architect, Sakaguchi (technically sooner , but dev times I imagine it overlapped). Guys a class act that was with them since the beginning, but he started his own company after a falling out with the direction SE brass wanted to take things. He was the one pushing to always have life and death as main themes and kept certain other producers in line.

I always recall an anecdote on FF7, as him, Kitase and Nomura were working out story. Sakaguchi required a meaningful death in the plot. Kitase (who we can thank for FF6s second half) suggested the whole cast die except one who the player chooses. Nomura talked them down from that. FF7 was his baby (so much so that he’s the character designer and artist), hence why he’s so present on the remake. That said, they kept each other in check and Nomura gets really weird ideas (KHs being his lead, for example).

After Sakaguchi departure, 11 was modeled after EverQuest and had a newish team, 12 was written most by FFT scenario team but had a change mid devolpment midway (the SE brass wanted a plucky young protag, Vaan was late development), 13 was so overbudget that they had to make sequels to recoup costs, 14 1.0 was mostly old guard 11 people with no idea about optimization, 14 2.0 was Yoshida learning from WoW success (flaws and all) but adding “FF theme park” plus a great writing staff, 15… similar to 12 in changes mid production, but iirc it was the SE brass shoehorning bad ideas and plot required DLC, and 16 is Yoshida and his core team making a pretty solid ARPG but with some tedium due to his MMO roots (and if you like 7R you’d probably be ok with 16).

Anyone can like or dislike a game, so I’m just giving you the long range of production issues that are objectively damaging the experience. It’s ok to like flawed games. I know an unhealthy amount of video game industry lore, and the biggest thing I can’t even say because of an NDA. lol

(Bonus fun fact, FF6 was meant to end at the halfway point but was so ahead of schedule and funds they went ahead and created the second half. It’s my favorite FF lol)

icecreamtaco, (edited ) do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?
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13-3 and 14 1.0 are complete trash imo. And some of that era leaked into 15, sending it into development hell. But aside from that, no. They’re held to a higher standard so a FF that’s only a B+ is seen as a complete failure and the internet spends a decade hateposting about it.

GladiusB, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?
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14 is going down hill. I have played it for many years and cleared a lot of the harder content. It’s a lot of rinse, wash, repeat. 15 had some beautiful graphics but it dropped the ball in the open world. 16s battle system was fun. The story was good. Had a decent Gothic roots of fantasy in there.

siv9939, do games w How the hell is there not a Green Arrow video game?

While I’m sure it could be a great game, it’ll never happen. WB just canceled a Wonder Woman game and shut down its developer. If they don’t have faith on a game based on one of their most well known characters, there’s no way they’d even green light a game based on a lower tier hero. A detective game based on the Question would be great too, but since he’s not one of DC’s top heroes it’ll never happen.

fracture, do gaming w Need MOBA ARAM-games where you just queue in with heroes and go into team fights

no recommendations but i just hopped back on HotS and share your sentiment haha

ramble81, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

FF games are like pizza. They’re all a round, baked dish, but you can have them so many ways and everyone will have their opinions. For example

  • I thought 10 was linear and boring and only played it once
  • I really liked 10-2 and the entire dress sphere concept as well as being open to go where you wanted.
  • I absolutely loved 12, as it had amazing lore and call backs to literally every other FF game in the series. A lot of people hated on the battle system but the magic of the strategy was figuring out the best gambit combinations
  • 13 had a beautiful story and graphics, but was way too linear and then suddenly opened up in the end game. Would have made a better movie or visual novel
  • 13-2 is one of my all time favorites in how it was non-linear, expanded on what happened with the 13 cast, who I liked, and also had secret endings
  • 13-3 is good, but it becomes one massive fetch quest. However it has New Game+ which is perfect for curb stomping baddies
  • 15 was one I thought I wasn’t going to like (an FF with cell phones?!) but oddly they pulled it off well and it wasn’t too bad. The villain was frankly one of the best in any FF series. Voice acting was top notch and the DLC really fleshed it out (you could argue it should have been part of the core)
  • Playing 16 right now, and hopes it was Square returning to its roots, but frankly…… it’s not an FF. The pacing is all over the place, and they randomly throw in an FF theme or name in a way like it’s saying “see! We’re a final fantasy game!” This is the first game that I really thought they lost their way on

I haven’t played 11 and 14 but I figured that’s my $0.02 when everyone has their own favorite toppings.

Aztechnology, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

Everything after ffx just dropped in quality

SolidShake, do games w How the hell is there not a Green Arrow video game?

It would have to be very short to be any good I think. And have a really good story.

But yeah just unlock different arrow types throughout the game and you’re good. Half finished.

PineRune, do games w How the hell is there not a Green Arrow video game?

Honestly, I think the market is so saturated with superhero media (movies, games, tv shows) that anything that’s not at the top is at the bottom. I kinda know that Green Arrow is a superhero just from what I’ve heard and seen in other superhero stuff, but that’s about it. Most people that aren’t really into the superhero genre won’t bat an eye unless they market it as the next best AAA game, and then if it falls short of that it’s a bust.

Edit: it may be better off as an indie-style, lower budget game that the fans can get into without the producers having to risk a whole lot, but with the whole Marvel/DC stuff they seem to have huge budgets and bigger profit expectations.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Does Monster Hunter Wilds still look and feel like dog water?
SolidShake,

Eh. I have a 3060 12 though

thermal_shock,

I got the 3060, and returned it for the 3070. Upgraded from a 1070, a 10 year old card. But the 3060 performance wasn’t there, and for $100 more I stayed in the xx70 lane. Needed the 3070 for 1440p monitors, the 3060 was good at 1080p but choked on 1440p. Was worth the upgrade for me, was my Christmas present to myself after 10 years of my old equipment.

SolidShake,

im going to go amd next time. i dont see it as a time to upgrade though, i stull use 1080p monitors with 180hz. to mee that’s better than 1440 at 60hz [similar prices]

thermal_shock,

Yeah, it was a good deal on the monitors. Went from 22" to 27", redid my whole desk.

SolidShake,

Yeah, I got 3 27s for 150 each on sale.

Yokozuna,
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This game is making me spend 2500 on a new rig and I’m conflicted about it. My 1080 has served me well o7

Phen, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

Squaresoft games were so good that there was a weird full decade there where the name Square Enix still managed to get me interested into checking out games, but the games themselves never did. Eventually this too died out and I finally don’t care at all about square anymore.

Rhynoplaz, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

I gave up on them after X.

I went back and played 4,5,&6. Highly recommend!

Kitathalla, do games w How the hell is there not a Green Arrow video game?

At first I came in here to say it was a silly idea, but almost every argument against it could be thrown against other games that have been done.

Omgboom, do games w Are modern Final Fantasy games bad?

Yes

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