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Fubarberry, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

I get that the term doesn’t line up age wise with actually Boomers in terms of calendar years, but also video game generations are shorter than social generations. We’re currently on the “ninth-generation” of video games, and Doom came out at the beginning of the third generation of video games. So you could consider Doom-likes to be 6 generations old, and baby-boomers to be 4 generations old. So in terms of “generations”, Boomer shooters should maybe be named after an older generation such as the “Greatest Generation” (6 generations ago). Therefore I propose we call Doom-likes “Greatest Shooters” instead of “Boomer shooters”.

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh, I’m liking this take. Get ready for “Z Shooters” and “Alpha Shooters”.

FeelzGoodMan420, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

Oh come on. It’s funny. Boomer is more of a state of mind descriptor at this point. Don’t be such a boomer bro.

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Get off my lawn and leave me to my prune juice.

pelotron, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"
@pelotron@midwest.social avatar

Guys, IT ISN’T A REFERENCE TO THE BOOMER GENERATION. It’s boomer as in shotgun-go-BOOM.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Boomer cope

FarceOfWill,

This is worse tho. You can’t just erase the bfg like this

SteposVenzny, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

It’s such a fun phrase to say, though.

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

It does roll off the tongue nicely, I have to admit.

survivalmachine, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

Boomer is a state of mind, love, and this post is a shining example of boomerism.

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/3f09db5e-e2e1-4be4-a5d9-ba7405e03be5.webp

Tiltinyall,

I’d say closer to the xennial “forgotten generation” type. The playtesters of all of your favorite franchises didn’t fall behind as far as you think.

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Hey, at least it’s shining.

CileTheSane, do games w Best sidequests in the Fallout games?
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Vault 11 in NV is one of my favourites for the story telling. When I found the last audio recording it gave me goosebumps.

Grzmot, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

Boomer today is used for anything that’s old, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you get Gen Xers that get called boomers. Since boomer shooters are a homage to old shooters, we call them boomer shooter. The ultimate problem is that it’s just catchy, so unless you find a more catchy term, you’re shit outta luck.

BirdEnjoyer, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

Lol try being a Roguelike fan.

You correctly tell people that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a Roguelike and they look at you like you've grown a second head.

Sometimes this stuff happens, and there's basically nothing you can do about it.

Instigate,

I feel like a lot of people haven’t ever played Rogue and so struggle understand what Roguelike actually means. Fair call, it’s a very old game with essentially no graphics, but to understand the genre properly everyone needs to give it a go at least once in my opinion.

Side note; love me the whole Mystery Dungeon franchise. I still need to pick up the Shiren the Wanderer series.

JohnEdwa,

Major part of it is that some people differentiate hard between rogue-likes and lites, and others simply do not, and the two will never get along with each other. The thing being that if there are any type of permanent upgrade/unlock systems that makes the game easier the more you play, it is not like rogue, where instead of grinding for more max hp or dodge percentage, you “grind” knowledge and experience as a player.

Which means that there are very, very few actual roguelikes because upgrade systems are just so cool ™ and every game obviously needs one. Or three.

TheOakTree,

Does that make pixel dungeon an actual roguelike? Never played the original rogue.

Vodulas,

I believe it is a roguelike, yeah. Probably my favorite one too.

naevaTheRat,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I hate how difficult it is to find games I like when it used to be so trivial.

2010: “I want to play another game like rogue”

“Ok try these 10 games which are all excellent, and then there’s these 50 which stretch the definition but rhyme with it if you like”

2020: “I want to play a game like rogue”

“Here’s a 3d looter shooter with multiplayer and 9 currencies for upgrades between short runs”

bonegakrejg, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

I’ve been saying this forever too! Boomers were the ones complaining about thier kids playing them back in the day because of the violence and demonic imagery.

In the 90s people called them "Doom-like"s. I usually just say “90s FPS games”. Which I guess could be confusing and make people think I’m talking about framerate, but eh.

Decoy321, do games w Best sidequests in the Fallout games?

You should play 1 and 2 before 3 just so you can meet Harold. He’s a goddamn treasure.

Mastengwe, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

Ok.

Coelacanth, do games w Best sidequests in the Fallout games?
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Fallout 2 is basically a mediocre main story existing as an excuse for you to wander the desert and stumble onto all the phenomenal side quests. The murder investigation for the Wright crime family might be my favourite, but all the intrigue in New Reno is so good. And that’s not even getting into the crazy Scientologists and their space ship, a shotgun wedding, uncovering the origins of Jet, becoming a pornstar…

MacedWindow,
@MacedWindow@lemmy.world avatar

Damn that sounds very up my alley. Would you recommend that one over the first?

Coelacanth,
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Fallout 2 is one of my favourite games of all time, but it is OLD. By that I don’t mean its graphics are ugly but rather the design philosophy is old school (some might say outdated). The stats and skills and perks are not balanced (some really suck and it’s very possible to gimp yourself). There are some unintuitive puzzles and interactions you might need a guide for. Most of all though it’s HARD and unforgiving. Save constantly and be ready to reload. The start sucks. Be prepared to hate the first hour(s), when you have to walk through the desert with just a stick and fight off brutal random encounters.

It eventually opens up, especially when you get access to a certain Highwayman, and becomes fantastic. As for Fallout 1 or 2, it’s mostly a matter of preference. 1 is much shorter, smaller in scope, but also has a slightly more serious tone. It leans a little more into the whole harshness of the wasteland thing. 2 is much bigger, with so much more you can do in it, but it’s also goofier. It leans more into the Fallout humour, pop culture references and sometimes just absurdity.

Also, look for some mods. I always recommend Restoration Project, Updated at a minimum, it’s a combination unofficial patch and cut content restoration that is very unintrusive. I have a couple other suggestions if you’re not against a sprinkle of mods. Most are on Fallout 2 Nexus I think. Mainly convenience stuff. There is a FANTASTIC Talking Heads mod that perfectly captures the original artstyle, but it’s obviously not vanilla. Same for the fan made voice acting mod.

Lastly, you can’t talk your way out of the final fight in Fallout 2. I just want to save you from frustration, since you can talk your way out of most other situations. Don’t brick your save by investing nothing into combat stats.

Phew, sorry for the rant. I’m really passionate about this game.

MacedWindow,
@MacedWindow@lemmy.world avatar

I appreciate the rant and the advice! I’ve tried 1 before unmodded so I know a bit of what I’d be getting into. I probably wont wrap back around to 2 until I beat the 3D games but Ill re-review this all then. I play a lot of retro games so Im not unused to following guides and tip lists.

Any combat skill that is a good go to OP one? Im usually most interested in speech skills, maxing them before anything else.

Coelacanth,
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Great! Did you finish 1? The two games are narratively independent, but there are references to events and things from 1 in the sequel.

Any combat skill that is a good go to OP one? Im usually most interested in speech skills, maxing them before anything else.

Stay away from Throwing unless you install a combat rebalance mod. All other combat skills are viable, through some peak at different times. Melee is great early but falls off a little bit. Still viable all game though. Unarmed can be great, there are some awesome Unarmed-only perks, but you can raise it to like 100% for free if you want to min/max. Big Guns and Energy Weapons are great late and very fun, but it might take a while to find one. Small Guns is the easiest way. You’ll find plenty of them early, and the late game options scale well.

I recommend starting with high INT, tagging Small Guns, Lockpicking and Speech and going from there. If you want more build advice just ask. Also the Nearly Ultimate Fallout 2 Guide is basically the Bible when it comes to looking up solutions to frustrating problems. It contains basically anything you could possibly want to know about the game. Tons of spoilers though, of course. So beware.

MacedWindow,
@MacedWindow@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you so much dude! I really appreciate the tips.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

Anytime!

steeznson,

Fallout 1 is probably a more complete piece of art but the 2nd one dials up the zany sense of humour and the quirky side quests.

charonn0, do games w Best sidequests in the Fallout games?
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

In New Vegas, completing Arcade Gannon’s companion sidequest gives you a suit of Enclave advanced power armor, and a squad of Enclave troops with a vertibird will back you up at Hoover Dam. It’s virtually impossible to trigger this quest by accident.

Zahille7,

I think that’s the one sidequest I’ve never done in New Vegas

jmcs, do gaming w I hate the term "Boomer Shooter"

We were calling them Doom-clones before FPS became a thing, maybe it’s time to bring it back as a sub category.

LunarLoony,
@LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Doom clones!

BmeBenji,

Not a bad idea, but like which DOOM?

I ask that sarcastically, but 90’s DOOM, 00’s DOOM, and 10-20s DOOM all play very differently lol

jmcs,

Any of them would be more accurate than Boomer shooter.

ech,

Appending “-like” to any genre is so unoriginal and uninteresting.

GBU_28,

It isn’t intended to be interesting

ech,

That’s abundantly clear.

GBU_28,

The burn you think you are deploying, to a casual categorical label and those who use it, is not very effective.

ech,

It’s an observation, not a “burn”.

GBU_28,

If you observed it to be abundantly clear you wouldn’t have made your original comment.

ech,

Speak for yourself. I comment on obvious things all the time.

pendulous, do games w Best sidequests in the Fallout games?

The hubologists in 2 was pretty funny. Also, blowing up the outhouse.

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