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DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Proton is the Future of PC gaming. But how does it work? [Gardiner Bryant, YouTube]

YouTube face… And useless red arrow?

Definitely No thanks

Mr_Blott,

I was curious about how much you could actually read in the 11 minutes that this YouTube drivel wasted on getting a point across

I tested my reading speed and it was 346 wpm, so I’m guessing the average is about 300 because I read a lot

3300 words is an absolute fuckton of information.

I’ve no idea why anyone would waste 11 minutes listening to about two minutes worth of information

Vodulas,

Not everyone can sit down and read for very long, some people want something to listen to while they do other things, some people learn better in audio format, and some people just like watching videos. It’s fine if it is not your jam, but that is no reason to denigrate someone choosing to watch a video instead of reading an article.

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

I had an argument shortly after the great migration. Someone had posted a video essay on something gaming related and the person I responded to was adamant that a video couldn’t be an essay. It was a two hour deep dive into the topic, with graphs/journalistic photos/news video snippets, and the video info section had a citation list longer than your arm.
This person couldn’t understand that just because the creator had decided to present their essay in video format, didn’t mean it wasn’t an essay. All they had to say basically boiled down to:
only stupid people watch a video this long when you could read the equivalent amount of information in less than half the time.

Needless to say, that got my hackles up a tad.

Vodulas,

Yup. It is just needlessly aggressive and gatekeepy.

SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Exactly! There’s no reason to be that way, other than to feel superior to someone. And that’s just kinda a shit way to be!

ShaunaTheDead, do gaming w Proton is the Future of PC gaming. But how does it work? [Gardiner Bryant, YouTube]

Another thing that wasn't mentioned in the video that Proton does is it also -- sometimes, depending on the game -- checks a list of known requirements for a game and installs them through winetricks, or makes other recommended changes to game files that are known to make the game work.

When Proton is updated and the patch notes mention that a game was fixed, it's something to do with this part of the process. A certain library, or whatever was missing and Proton installs it for you behind the scenes.

It also runs WINE through Steam's launcher (aka Steam Linux Runtime) which has some common redistributables (aka Steamworks SDK Redist) built right into it, and it also runs appropriate anti-cheat solutions (aka Proton EasyAntiCheat Runtime or Proton BattlEye Runtime).

thingsiplay,

I actually didn’t know the Steam Linux Runtime was WINE. Nice. (Note, I’m not the author of the video.)

nous,

It is not just WINE. The Steam Linux Runtime is a stack of linux native libraries, binaries and tools designed to give game devs a consistent version of things to develop games against. Recently they moved this to be container based and I believe proton (which contains wine) is run inside this runtime as well.

narc0tic_bird, do gaming w Proton is the Future of PC gaming. But how does it work? [Gardiner Bryant, YouTube]

In my experience, even when a game has a native Linux version, the Windows version run via Proton can often be the better choice.

In Tabletop Simulator, I wasn’t able to join my friends’ multiplayer sessions with the native Linux version. No problem with the Windows version via Proton.

The Linux version of Human Fall Flat isn’t feature complete/outdated.

There are better examples though. Valheim runs fantastic aside from a bug that it picks the first instead of the default audio device for sound output on startup. It even supports mods and r2modman supports Linux as well.

Didn’t have any problems with Spiritfarer either.

Fubarberry,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, it’s unfortunately common to have games running better through proton than the native port. We’ve seen a lot of devs drop their linux port recently because the proton version ran better with fewer issues.

Obviously a well executed native linux port is preferable, but a lot of smaller devs have trouble justifying spending a lot of time working out kinks for a linux port if the game already runs great through proton.

narc0tic_bird,

Exactly, and I’d rather devs focus their time on making sure their Windows version works well via Proton than using that same time for a half-assed native Linux version.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I think a huge reason for this is how fragmented the linux ecosystem is.
A hundred ways to do simple things and even mundane things are suggested as “You can’t do X with tool X easily. Just install package Y instead because it can also do it”
But now you have another program installed.
Also some parts of linux have much drama around it (www.phoronix.com/news/Bcachefs-Fixes-Two-Choices). This adds uncertainty.

nous,

This is irrelevant with Steam though. Steam offers a runtime with preconfigured versions of everything that is needed to give the devs a consistent environment for their games to run no matter how fragmented the linux install base might be. This runtime is also what proton uses for ship its different versions.

teawrecks,

It’s because the devs just aren’t testing their Linux build. If they at least had a steam deck and made sure it ran there, the community would figure everything else out on their own.

Boomkop3, do gaming w Proton is the Future of PC gaming. But how does it work? [Gardiner Bryant, YouTube]

If games go linux native, how long until Microsoft gets wsl working for games?

thingsiplay,

You mean to play Linux games through WSL? Well, Microsoft doesn’t have any reason to, as all games are available for Windows. Or do you suggest the Frankenstein’s Gaming playing Linux games with Proton through WSL on Windows? That would be truly marvelous. xD

Boomkop3,

No, I meant what I said.

If games do become linux exclusives, microsoft will have a reason

thingsiplay,

Ah, you mean in a future where Linux overtakes Windows as the primary gaming machine. But hard to believe this will become true in the near future. Especially if we talk about commercial games to abandon Windows. I would like to see such a feature, but doubt it would happen in my lifetime honestly (i’m no longer young BTW). In such a scenario, Microsoft probably would start supporting games with WSL, if they don’t have a different strategy.

Zorsith,

I don’t think they care anymore. Their money makers are Azure and M365 at this point, and the OS is just getting ignored (except where they can make more money/data)

Boomkop3,

winget and the windows store are growing tho

Zorsith,

Windows store apps are their own special pain in the ass for other reasons (patching on multi-user systems, as it installs apps to the user profile for some godforsaken reason)

Boomkop3,

Yep, it’s not finished by a long shot. But it’s enough competition to make even Valve divest from windows

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

I could see them abandoning Windows as it is and instead making their own Linux distro, maybe in like the year 2100 lol

IceFoxX,

2100? Lol zdnet.com/…/say-hi-to-microsofts-own-linux-cbl-ma…

Azure server etc running on linux too…

Die4Ever,
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

Now we just need to wait for Microsoft to ditch Windows lol

Boomkop3,

If it helps you understand, yes. I am not so sure microsoft has no chance. I see a lot of youngers gamers, ones not as competent or careful, using just whatever is available to install games.

The windows store is very accessible

thesmokingman,

There’s really nothing preventing that now. Used to be you just forwarded X (mobaXterm is great); looks like there’s an MS offering now.

As for Linux-exclusive games, there are some (eg this publisher) but really only because no one has bothered to make a Windows port. tbh you could probably get them running on macOS without much trouble because the toolchain’s all the same.

simple, do games w First Ever REBIRTH in NES Tetris

It’s still wild to me people are continuing to break records in classic Tetris. You’d think they’ve reached the peak long ago, but they somehow continue to impress!

Kecessa, do games w First Ever REBIRTH in NES Tetris

That’s how many levels with the color scheme where you pretty much can’t tell where the blocks are?

Jessica,

You play the dark green level 235 for 800 lines. Normally levels are only 10 lines

makingStuffForFun, do games w First Ever REBIRTH in NES Tetris
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

What does that mean?

TexasDrunk,

Some guy played to level 255 and it rolled back to level 0, (that’s the rebirth). Then he played to level 91 after that. To answer an unasked but important question: he did it on a ROM and not a cartridge because it’s pretty damn likely a cartridge would have crashed long before this point. Even on this particular ROM there are a bunch of ways to crash it (there’s loads of them documented).

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s awesome. Thank you so much.

dogslayeggs,

Did he use an original NES controller with the ROM or a modern controller? I know I have a hard time getting the 40 year old controllers to respond fast enough at higher levels, though I haven’t tried the bump control method.

TexasDrunk,

As a drunk language model I do not have that information.

dogslayeggs,

Watching the earlier levels I can hear the thumps on the controller indicating he is doing a bump/rolling control method.

TexasDrunk,

So I did a little research. Along with what you heard, rolling may be the only way to do it. Hypertapping may not be fast enough.

Adm_Drummer,

To add on: After a certain level is reached there are a multitude of tile combinations you have to avoid or they cause a hard crash. I believe oldschool tetris used to be played until the very first hard crash and that’s where everyone thought the record would end. Prior to that was the development of rolling which allowed players to get past the original game over state that sped tiles up too fast to react to.

Now we have players so proficient they’ve memorised crash states, and are rolling over the game.

I wonder how long until Points + Prestige become an antiquated measuring system.

CluckN,

He completed the karmic cycle of Samsara and has been reborn.

Evotech,

He prestiged Tetris?

magic_lobster_party, do games w First Ever REBIRTH in NES Tetris

What a legend!

A few years ago it was sensational when someone managed to clear a few levels in max speed. Now all max speed levels have been beaten.

What’s next for NES Tetris? Feels like it’s more of an endurance game now.

Chozo, do games w First Ever REBIRTH in NES Tetris
@Chozo@fedia.io avatar

It's insane that this happened so quickly after Blue Scuti's kill screen.

jaggedrobotpubes, do games w First Ever REBIRTH in NES Tetris

Oh shit.

That’s big.

If you wanna know why, here you go youtu.be/mOJlg8g8_yw

chemical_cutthroat,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

Who the fuck downvoted you?

Chozo,
@Chozo@fedia.io avatar

I don't have the expertise to check the API, myself, but I've noticed a ton of innocent comments lately all having -1. Mbin shows the upvote and downvote counts separately, so I can see that entire threads are all receiving a single downvote, presumably from a single user. Seems like somebody's being a gremlin and just downvoting everything they see.

Klear,

I’ve been noticing that ever since I joined Lemmy over a year ago. Feels like people are way more trigger happy with downvotes here. It’s not a big deal though.

vividspecter,

It’s just more visible since downvotes and upvotes are shown separately. On the old site, that hasn’t been the case for years.

Klear,

Nah, I noticed that on clients without separate counts. A LOT of comments go down to 0 before climing back again (or not).

jballs,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think there are a few unchecked bots that do that. Every once in a while I’ll make a post or comment and it goes to 0 immediately.

TexasDrunk,

I say dumb shit from time to time, especially while drunk, and I’ve noticed after that I tend to have several comments in a row downvoted pretty quickly no matter the subject or thread. Things that are completely unrelated.

I’m not saying that’s what happened here, it’s just a trend I’ve noticed.

g0d0fm15ch13f,
@g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

I mod for a community that doesn’t align with the interests of a ‘typical’ lemmy user and a lot of our posts get a negative vote or two early in their lifespan. I just assume that the fedi is full of haters lol

TexasDrunk,

I went to your profile expecting to see you modding and commenting on a community about how great it is to subjugate others or something. I forget that some folks hate sports so much that they also don’t want others to enjoy sports.

g0d0fm15ch13f,
@g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah doesn’t make sense to me, I don’t downvote anime or foodporn posts and sometimes I even read them. It ain’t much but it’s honest work

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Their comment sounds like something you spam on a bunch of posts to get someone to click the scam link.

dream_weasel,

Voyager Mobile is short swipe to upvote and long swipe to downvote. Sometimes mistakes happen.

GammaGames, do gaming w Skull & Bones: a rant

I didn’t know he did gaming stuff 👀 He’s so damn fun to listen to, binged part of his channel a year ago. Will throw this on tonight, thanks!

user, do gaming w Every Video Game Is Woke Apparently... [The Act Man, YouTube]

This is so based.

RiikkaTheIcePrincess, do gaming w Every Video Game Is Woke Apparently... [The Act Man, YouTube]
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social avatar

Not a fan of someone who uses the r-slur and makes a show of not being “woke,” but I agree that that list is utterly ludicrous. Flagging something like it’s practically unplayable because you can if you search for them find a couple of same-sex characters in the ass end of nowhere holding hands is kinda mind-blowing.

They even complained about someone claiming to be asexual. Seriously?? Someone not wanting sex is the big horrible Woke Agenda™ being shoved down poor, innocent Gamers™’ throats? Look here, it’s incels doing reverse wokism “making” a game engine because Real Men™ never use a premade one! Don’t think about why they would want to associate with a general-purpose game engine despite also claiming that every dev must make their own! Thinking is WOKE! You’ll turn gay if you think!

🤬 Baffling absurdity, I say!

thingsiplay,

Because of idiots like them, either not understanding what woke means, or by taking it to comical extreme, real issues get buried under. I wouldn’t be surprised if this list was created by an Ai or was meant to be funny in the first place. I would say some stuff there has nothing to do with wokeness at all, such as gay relationships is too woke for them. I go this far and say whoever made that list seems to be anti-gay.

And that’s my take, going too extreme is always bad and destroys any nuances and makes real problems hard to find and discuss.

sunzu2, do gaming w Every Video Game Is Woke Apparently... [The Act Man, YouTube]

Well there are consultants trying to slip that shit into everything for a fee lol

But these clowns could do the old reliable and vote with their money here.

Video games is 100% discrentionry spending

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited )

Hence the reason I said…mostly.

There’s definitely been examples of corporate pandering and virtue signaling in the game industry but most “arguments” are just attempting to shut down the existence of non-white people’s existence (‘DEI’) and the existence of LGBTQ individuals and support the ideology that women can’t be anything but submissive.

Hell they called Wolfenstein II woke because you kill Nazis. That’s really all you need to know about what these kinds of people who are obsessed with “stopping wokeism” are

sunzu2,

Vocal minority milking spytube algos...

At this point if there is a grift, somebody will do it haha

DoucheBagMcSwag,

That is true but it no longer becomes "minority’ when government officials (GOP) start saying the same thing (and they are)

Once you have that, these Nazis not only feel like they have representation and a voice, but validation and vindication for their ideas now (which is where we are at the moment)

sunzu2,

not sure why we are getting into politics but if we are... my bigger concern is the regime and their political lapdog supporting genocide NOW... no need to worry about Nazi in the future when we got them here and now.

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Every Video Game Is Woke Apparently... [The Act Man, YouTube]

Woke = mostly anything not supporting Aryan White Supremacy

See; Nazi

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