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tuckerm, do games w The Talos Principle 2 | Demo on Steam Available Now

Portal (1 and 2) and The Talos Principle are the only puzzle games I've played that not only had a story, but also managed to make the puzzle gameplay actually make sense within the story. Like, there is an in-universe explanation for why you are solving puzzles. I'm sure there are other games that do it, but those are the only ones I've played and they were fantastic. That's a hard thing to pull off -- how do you make a compelling narrative, complete with characters, around "moving some boxes?"

Looking forward to playing the sequel. Also, the original is $3 on Steam right now!

themusicman,

Have you played The Witness? Not quite as story driven, but just as cohesive and my personal favourite of the 3 (by a small margin)

pixel_prophet,

Could not really understand the hype for it, having to do the same kind of line puzzle over and over just felt stale.

themusicman,

If that were the full extent of the game, I’d probably agree. I can’t say much more without spoiling it

Ultraviolet,

I don’t see how anyone can consider the sound puzzles in the jungle, the Tetris piece puzzles in the swamp and the color theory puzzles in the greenhouse the same kind of puzzle and be arguing in good faith.

tuckerm,

I have not -- I'll add it to my list!

themusicman,

The game has multiple “endings”. My only advice: Don’t start a second playthrough or browse any online communities until you’ve reached the credit scroll. I wish someone had told me that before I started…

zeekaran,

Did Antichamber have a story? I don’t remember if it did, only that I loved that game.

nekusoul,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

Like, there is an in-universe explanation for why you are solving puzzles.

That observation actually made me go through my library looking for more examples and, yeah, it’s surprisingly few. There’s ‘The Entropy Centre’, which also falls into the “You’re a test subject” category. Other than that there’s the Zachtronics games, where the reason for puzzle-solving is because it’s your work.

Hadriscus,

Quantum Conundrum too ! it’s excellent, but a bit difficult. I never finished it 🤫

raydenuni,

In Zachtronics Infinifactory, the setting is that aliens have kidnapped you and force you to build things for them, in return for kibble and other things humans like, such as a little league third place trophy. Always enjoyed that.

Cocodapuf,

Looking forward to playing the sequel. Also, the original is $3 on Steam right now!

Hey, thanks for the tip! I totally just gifted this to a couple of my friends.

Ansis,

Try QUBE too, it’s great.

pleasemakesense, do games w Riot Games and r/leagueoflegends moderators being called out for censorship over the state of their game.
@pleasemakesense@lemmy.world avatar

Thought it was well known the reddit league mods had some sort of connection to riot (even some being riot employees?)

e-ratic,
@e-ratic@kbin.social avatar

IIRC the recruitment of new moderators has to go past Riot first

renrenPDX, do games w Battlefield 6 cheats day 1 of early access. Depite kernel level anti cheat, forced secure boot TPM 2.0

I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

Narwhalrus,

My machine went into a boot loop and I had to clear CMOS to boot again.

I wonder how many people without the resources to fix a problem like that easily are going to end up without computers for an extended period of time because of this.

MBech,

Just clear the CMOS.

I had issues aswell where I couldn’t boot, and you wanna know why? Because I didn’t follow the step by step instructions EA tells you to follow. Follow those instructions, and it’ll work just fine.

Aielman15, do games w Flappy Bird Returns but now with microtransactions
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

You either die as a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.

TORFdot0,

Or in this case die a hero and then someone pays to desecrate your corpse and reanimate you

mihnt, do games w Godot is Getting EPIC // 10 Games & Projects Made in Godot
@mihnt@kbin.social avatar

The title is in poor taste all things considered.

insomniac_lemon,

I don't get it, was it changed?

mihnt,
@mihnt@kbin.social avatar

I see the word EPIC in a gaming title and my brain immediately goes "OH NO, not them again. What fucked shit are they trying to convince everyone of now?"

obinice,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Is Epic taking them to court or such?

brawleryukon,
@brawleryukon@lemmy.world avatar

Quite the opposite. Epic gave them a $250,000 MegaGrant a few years back.

They even offer Godot through EGS.

bela,

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  • brawleryukon,
    @brawleryukon@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s almost as if Epic actually does have developers’ and the industry’s best interests at heart despite the shit takes from the terminally-online Gamer™ crowd…

    Vordus,

    It’s not entirely against their own self-interest. More accessible engines on the market means more beginner devs who may graduate to Epic in a few years, and more products to sell on the EGS. Also more devs potentially means more asset store customers.

    Regardless, it’s certainly more helpful to the industry than Unity at the moment.

    Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

    Mozilla’s primary revenue is from Google, because Google doesn’t want Chrome to be broken up by the FTC. Same reason Microsoft kept Apple afloat in the dark times before Jobs returned.

    Thevenin, do gaming w You're Emulating Retro Games Wrong (you need CRT Shaders)

    I strongly disagree with the premise that there’s a “wrong” way to play retro games. Don’t gatekeep. Imagine if people told you not to listen to Pink Floyd unless it’s on vinyl. It would be lost media.

    That said, CRTs present images fundamentally differently than LCD displays, and a lot of developers took advantage of those idiosyncrasies. There are scanlines everywhere. CRT phosphors aren’t square, and appear smaller when darker. Bright pixels can “bleed” into nearby pixels, particularly when using composite signals.

    Before LCDs, many (not all) pixel artists used this to their advantage, basically harnessing the imperfections of analog TV to provide equivalents to anti-aliasing, bloom, extra color depth, and even transparency. Some particularly famous examples came from Sega Genesis games. This video goes into good depth on the whys and hows, and there are some solid examples of the outcomes here.

    I’ve attached examples below (hopefully they upload). If you like the raw pixel art, then no harm done. Enjoy! But if you like the way CRTs interpreted and filtered those signals, you owe it to yourself to look up some shaders for your favorite emulator.

    https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/88cb2c28-7b07-49a7-b4b8-b6369fe83633.webp

    https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/8e5527f1-fb48-40d2-b147-4b567202db96.webp

    (Zero Tolerance, 1994, on the Genesis/Mega Drive)

    https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/e10964ee-bb75-4083-84fb-0841fdc2df2e.webp

    (Sonic the Hedgehog 2, 1992, on the Genesis/Mega Drive)

    thingsiplay,

    I strongly disagree with the premise that there’s a “wrong” way to play retro games.

    I understand your sentiment here and you are right too. What I think is, that the wording on this title here is misunderstood. Emulating (old) games without Shaders is not faithful or accurate in the looks. It looks “vastly” different and thus means it looks “wrong”. I interpret the “wrong” in the title as “not faithful”, instead as “bad”, like this: You’re Probably Emulating Retro Games Not Faithful (you need CRT Shaders for the oldschool look)

    Thevenin,

    Yeah, the video really isn’t making the point its title suggests. I think we’re all just primed to expect gatekeeping in video games at this point.

    samus12345,
    almost1337, do games w Castle Crashers DLC Announcement: Painter Boss Paradise

    What year is it?

    yokonzo,

    It’s 2009 wake up

    ArmokGoB,

    Where’s my Sobe?

    Rai,

    In a glass bottle.

    Zahille7,

    Hell ya

    HughJanus, (edited ) do games w 15 More Free to Play Overwhelmingly Positive Steam Games

    I pretty much just assume “Free To Play” games are full of microtransactions, is that wrong?

    E: to be clear, I don’t think microtransactions are an inherently bad thing. In fact, if people want to make games where other people with more money front the costs of development, I’m all about it.

    What I hate is being reminded every 5 minutes that it has garbage skins that I can pay IRL money for.

    Lev_Astov,
    @Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, there are good games that are just totally free. I’ve enjoyed the hell out of both ΔV: Rings of Saturn and South Scrimshaw lately. Both offer things you can purchase, but you get the full experience without them.

    HughJanus,

    Yeah, the question for me is “are they shoving those things you can purchase down your throat every 2 minutes?” because I find that disgusting.

    snugglesthefalse,

    I could have sworn rings of Saturn wasn’t free

    crawley,

    I thought I heard once that the demo is just the full version, but you can just also buy it to support the devs? That might be outdated or just wrong information though.

    turbowafflz,

    Also there are several really good open source games which are obviously microtransaction free. OpenTTD from this list is an example and Osu!lazer and SuperTuxKart also come to mind

    lightnsfw,

    I have like 1000 hours in Warframe and only spent like 20$ on it. Even that wasn’t really necessarily. You can farm shit and easily make enough of the in game money for what you need selling it to other players.

    Duamerthrax,

    I know Holocure isn’t, but my gut reaction to F2P is to steer clear.

    SCB,

    F2P with microtransactions isn’t inherently bad. Legends of Runeterra is that way and is maybe the best-done F2P model I’ve ever seen.

    SeeJayEmm,
    @SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

    I wouldn’t put Path of Exile in that bucket. The cosmetics and stash upgrades are there but they don’t push at all.

    Acid2688,

    They’re all way too expensive though. I’d have bought way more if they were lower and enjoyed the game more for it.

    ago,
    @ago@lemmy.world avatar

    True, but there is nothing wrong with that really unless it’s a multiplayer game where you get unfair advantages. It’s hard to expect a f2p game to not have micro transactions.

    HughJanus,

    Which is why I avoid them

    Skyrkazm,

    Grimm’s Hollow. It’s free and has 0 micro transactions. Enioy my friend:]

    klyde,
    @klyde@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s so fucking stupid lmao. Crying about stuff that doesn’t even do anything but make you look different.

    HughJanus, (edited )

    I think you may have missed my initial reply where I stated specifically stated that I was not concerned about “stuff that makes you look different”.

    RickRussell_CA, do games w A Brief History of the GTA Game Series, The Most Famous Game in History!
    @RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world avatar

    The Most Famous Game in History!

    Tetris would like a word.

    GrammatonCleric,
    @GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Senet would also like to have a word (nobody said video games)

    DoucheBagMcSwag,

    Sensationalist click bait knows no such thing

    Pratai,

    Pac Man as well.

    sailingbythelee,

    And chess is just rolling its eyes.

    VaultBoyNewVegas,

    I honestly thought of Mario first but yeah, Tetris, Mario, pacman and maybe space invaders would be instantly recognisable to everyone. If I was to show my non gamer dad a picture of Niko, CJ or Trevor/Michael/Franklin then he would have no idea who they were. Where as the other games he absolutely would recognise the characters or the names.

    mugita_sokiovt, do games w Battlefield 6 cheats day 1 of early access. Depite kernel level anti cheat, forced secure boot TPM 2.0
    @mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online avatar

    I’m glad I didn’t enable Tivoization (Secure Boot) and TPM. Those suck, and actually froze our machines. It’s literally useless at this point.

    Kazumara,

    Secure Boot isn’t Tivoization because you can enroll your own keys.

    mugita_sokiovt,
    @mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online avatar

    From my research, while I could see that being the case, “Secure Boot” is classified by the Free Software Foundation and the GNU Project as Tivoization, and GPL-3 was made to fix that. That’s how I saw it, at least.

    DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Proton is the Future of PC gaming. But how does it work? [Gardiner Bryant, YouTube]

    YouTube face… And useless red arrow?

    Definitely No thanks

    Mr_Blott,

    I was curious about how much you could actually read in the 11 minutes that this YouTube drivel wasted on getting a point across

    I tested my reading speed and it was 346 wpm, so I’m guessing the average is about 300 because I read a lot

    3300 words is an absolute fuckton of information.

    I’ve no idea why anyone would waste 11 minutes listening to about two minutes worth of information

    Vodulas,

    Not everyone can sit down and read for very long, some people want something to listen to while they do other things, some people learn better in audio format, and some people just like watching videos. It’s fine if it is not your jam, but that is no reason to denigrate someone choosing to watch a video instead of reading an article.

    SturgiesYrFase,
    @SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

    I had an argument shortly after the great migration. Someone had posted a video essay on something gaming related and the person I responded to was adamant that a video couldn’t be an essay. It was a two hour deep dive into the topic, with graphs/journalistic photos/news video snippets, and the video info section had a citation list longer than your arm.
    This person couldn’t understand that just because the creator had decided to present their essay in video format, didn’t mean it wasn’t an essay. All they had to say basically boiled down to:
    only stupid people watch a video this long when you could read the equivalent amount of information in less than half the time.

    Needless to say, that got my hackles up a tad.

    Vodulas,

    Yup. It is just needlessly aggressive and gatekeepy.

    SturgiesYrFase,
    @SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

    Exactly! There’s no reason to be that way, other than to feel superior to someone. And that’s just kinda a shit way to be!

    dallo, do games w The ROG Ally is Still Getting Better (Updated Review)

    The ROG Ally is Still not running Linux by default

    Gabagoolzoo,

    Yeah it can only get so good before Windows starts to show its ugly face. Steam Deck works so well because it runs games within it's own compositor with absolutely no bloat or distractions.

    echoplex21,

    Honestly a positive for me . Xbox Gamepass is the main reason I have a handheld . It doesn’t work natively on Linux.

    dallo,

    I don’t like to not own my games, but you do you.

    echoplex21,

    Pro tip: you can do both ;)

    smort,
    @smort@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I’ve played some games on GamePass on my Deck via MS Edge and xcloud. It works pretty well for anything where input lag isn’t a factor, like turn-based games.

    I tried Rocket League and Forza just for shits and giggles, and while it’s not unplayable, it’s also not responsive enough to be enjoyable

    Boxtifer,

    Just install windows on it then?

    WeLoveCastingSpellz,

    yes but you can flash either chimera or nobara to turn it into a steamdeck

    Blisterexe,

    Or bazzite

    northendtrooper, do games w Battlefield 6 cheats day 1 of early access. Depite kernel level anti cheat, forced secure boot TPM 2.0

    Having Anti-Cheat of any kind outside of the game is laziness or lack of resources.

    I believe just have physical limitations of the character or objects and verify the movement every once in a while to make sure that their movement is not super human (ie, aim bots).

    You don’t need a kernal level anti-cheat.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    It takes more work and resources to do what they’re doing. They already do server side anti cheat. And realistically, this is more effective than not doing it, though it definitely still gets defeated anyway. I would say the things that it asks of the customer are not worth the trade even if they were 100% effective, but they are more effective.

    sp3ctr4l,

    I offer:

    0.2% more effective detection of cheaters (theoretical)

    You offer:

    Full and total access to every single file on your computer, all of its hardware, and all connected devices, via kernel level access.

    Do you accept?

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    I mean… the people who play these games very regularly do accept that.

    sp3ctr4l,

    Yep.

    I would argue those people are extremely silly, but apparently some people just literally do not value privacy, data security, at all.

    I guess we’ll see how well that works out with fascists running the show now, surely they’ll only go after the bad immigrants gamers!

    Are you maybe a woman who had to stop using their period tracker app?

    A trans person who had the audacity to exist, while being trans?

    … Do you play video games on the same PC you do everything else on?

    warm,

    Blind consumerism is rampant.

    warm,

    The best thing is back when Battlefield was Battlefield, it would self-regulate because most people played on self-hosted servers, so cheaters and bad actors were taken care of swiftly. But now they want their own control to put shitty bots and SBMM in the game, so here we are.

    This whole game is a case of the devs making bad decisions and then instead of changing them decisions, they apply the quickest bandaid fixes they can.

    Miaou,

    I don’t think the devs have much to do with these decisions

    warm,

    Overall scope was set by EA, they wanted a more mainstream shooter to compete with the likes of Call of Duty, so they could jump into the seasonal content/battle pass grind. But the devs made all these little individual decisions that add up.

    frongt,

    That doesn’t cover wallhacks.

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    And they should just make good games too, right?

    The issue with “just analyze the players” is that it is VERY expensive computationally. And it causes issues with non-official servers as it drastically increases the cost of a dedicated server and makes a listen server nigh unusable.

    To be clear: I do not think the kernel level anti-cheats are a consumer friendly solution. But it takes a special kind of arrogance to insist you know better than decades worth of research and work in trying to stop hacking.

    sp3ctr4l,

    Yeah I mean its not like Valve has been using a combination of server side and client side game file only validation to do AC for Counter Strike for 20 years or anything.

    Yep yep yep, the whole industry uses Kernel AC, other than the devs of the longest running comoetetive FPS genre ever, yep yep yep!

    NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited )

    Valve is also barely a blip in the market when it comes to this, funny enough.

    Valve’s data can be more or less officially pulled and steamdb lists them as having 1 million concurrents in whatever the default window is (looks like this month). Call of Duty claims to be closer to 70 million but most conservative estimates agree they are at least in the low 10s of millions of “active players” rather than anyone who just popped in to check their dailies to see if they wanted to do them.

    Personally? I think the vast majority of games (including Battlefield…) would be perfectly fine with VAC and I like VAC. But there are reasons that the studios that make more money than some small nations on their games (as opposed to their storefront, which is what VAC actually is based on) literally pay for more invasive solutions.


    Which is actually the other point worth remembering. Punkbuster and EAC and rolling their own costs money. Whereas VAC is “free” with Steam (and possibly elsewhere but that gets murky). Many of the mega games are associated with their own proprietary launchers but plenty of midtier games that ONLY care about Steam still feel the need to pay for EAC or whatever.

    And… there is a reason beyond “We want to spend money to hurt our users”.

    Okay. Apparently EAC is free if you sell your game on Epic but… ain’t fucking nobody considering EGS their be all end all platform. Even frigging Epic sued the hell out of Apple to get into the app store for crying out loud (not quite the same but roll with me).

    sp3ctr4l,

    To the first chunk:

    I mean yeah, thats why I said longest lived, not ‘most popular’.

    But I am glad you agree that… VAC is reasonable, and works pretty darn well.

    But this leads into Part 2…

    Why does VAC work pretty darn well?

    Beyond the technicals of the methods of AC…

    Because if you fuckup bad enough, your entire Steam Library can be deleted.

    Steam is a platform.

    Every single other major company that is trying to force Kernel AC on the PC market is acting as if they do, or should just also be the de facto platform, as they are on consoles.

    Yep, cheat on Xbox or PS and your account can get banned there too… but a PC is more than a gaming console, has a lot more private stuff on it than one, typically.

    Valve are PC natives so they never pushed for Kernel AC.

    They just allow, and now warn you about Kernel AC from other mega publishers on their platform, and these other game publishers.

    Their whole thing is that they want you to use their platform instead of Steam. They’ve pretty much all done it at this point, at least tried… Ubisoft, Rockstar, MSFT/GFWL, ActBlizz (now technically MSFT but w/e), etc etc etc

    And they want to force Kernel AC down your throat on your PC as well as consoles… because it gives them more data, which they can use themselves, and sell to data brokers.

    … Anyway, the funniest part?

    EAC and BattleEye have offered full support to game devs to get their AC working on linux via Proton… for 3 to 4 years now.

    It comes with their licensing agreements.

    But management almost never cares to tell development to actually use this support thst they are already paying for!

    … Because they get lots of money from MSFT, and MSFT hates Linux.

    Also, if you go on areweanticheatyet … you can see that almost every single AC system of any kind, in the last 10 years… has at least one game that showcases it working on Linux.

    This means that it is provably, entirely possible to get nearly all AC systems working on Linux, as some game dev team has done this.

    Its just that most game dev teams, under most management… are not directed to.

    There is no real technical reason why AC cannot be made to work in a satisfactory way on Linux.

    At best, it is dev/management laziness/nonprioritization, at worst, it is publishers not wanting to upset MSFT, or still pursuing their idea of what should be normalized in terms of a gaming distribution platform, and the backend business side of profiting from dataharvesting.

    tomalley8342,

    Yep yep yep, the devs of the FPS game with endemic cheating so horrible the competitive scene had to introduce their own matchmaking system with kernel AC.

    sp3ctr4l, (edited )

    So, again, Kernel level AC can be, and routinely is defeated, all the time.

    This is easy to verify with a simple websearch and maybe 30 minutes of time, I don’t want to directly link to where you can purchase working cheats/hacks/methods that can defeat Kernel AC, because I do not want such things to proliferate.

    But you appear to be claiming the competetive scene for CS has introduced a Kernel level AC.

    I cannot find this, this does not appear to be true, but I could be wrong, could you please source this claim?

    I cannot find a competetive CS community or league or tournament that has… somehow rolled their own custom version of CS, overlayed with some other AC, on top of VAC.

    Frankly, I don’t see how this would be possible without somehow forking CS, and then either stripping out or modifying VAC… as … two AC systems working at the same time are nearly 100% guaranteed to fight each other, and class the actions of the other AC… as cheats and hacks.

    Its essentially analagous to how, 15 to 20 years ago, if you had McAfee and Norton and whatever other realtime, always active, system level anti virus software running, simultaneously… they would fight eachother, treat the other AV system as a virus, as malware.

    All I can find is CS communities discussing the problem broadly, mixed with a lot of speculation that a recent VAC overhaul now does include Kernel AC… despite there being no actual evidence for this, beyond the collective bias and fallacious logic that if an AC becomes more effective, the only possible explanation is that it must be because of Kernel access.

    What Valve actually did, was hook up AI to greatly enhance its serverside cheat detection capabilities and accuracy… one of the rare actually good use cases of AI as it relates to cybersec.

    It seems to have improved their, again, server side heuristic detection abilities… without needing Kernel level access.

    So yeah, please source your claim.

    Unlike my easily verifiable ‘claim’ that I do not wsnt to cite for cybersec reasons, your claim should not have that problem at all.

    tomalley8342,
    sp3ctr4l,

    Ah, ok, thanks for providing the source, I genuinely appreciate that.

    So, now, I’ll break my public safety rule, to prove a point.

    If any mods are reading this, I totally understand if you remove these linkswww.faceit-cheats.comtechbullion.com/cs2-faceit-cheats-the-hidden-thre…

    So yep, again, Kernel level AC, routinely defeated, all the time, with such regularity that it is a viable business model.

    Almost like Kernel AC doesn’t do what people seem to think it does, it isn’t a panacea, and the tradeoff is that you lose all your computer security… for nothing, really.

    Found that in actually 15 seconds btw.

    tomalley8342,

    I did not say that kernel level anti cheats makes cheating impossible. The improvement in the experience is not nothing. You would not understand unless you played both for yourself.

    theunknownmuncher,

    Kernel anti-cheat does absolutely nothing to prevent aimbots/triggerbots, as most are run using 2 separate machines, anyway. The first machine runs the game in a totally clean and legitimate environment, but sends its video output (either using standard streaming tools like OBS or by using special hardware) to the 2nd machine. The 2nd machine runs the cheat and processes the video to detect where to aim and/or when to shoot, and sends mouse input back to the 1st machine.

    C4551E,

    I would have thought this would introduce enough latency to make an aimbot ineffective, but I know nothing about the cheating scene

    theunknownmuncher,

    Colorbots are extremely efficient and can be run on just a raspberry pi.

    Human reaction time is ~200-250ms, while the cheat will be introducing easily less than 10ms of latency.

    I’ve never used cheats in a video game because I don’t see the point and it would spoil the fun of playing, but as a software developer, it is interesting to learn about how they work and are implemented

    C4551E,

    that’s super impressive to me, and I guess explains why any client side anticheat is ineffective vs a determined cheater, rootkit or not.

    thanks for the explanation! I miss when anti-cheating measures involved actual human beings administrating servers

    count_dongulus,

    Wall hacks could be defeated by the server only reporting the positional information about enemy players to game clients when it detects that the client player’s camera should be able to see some part of the other player’s silhouette. This is possible, albeit computationally expensive, but the main functional issue is latency. Nobody wants enemies magically popping into view when their view changes quickly because their ping was more than 6ms lol

    MeekerThanBeaker, do games w Introducing Steam Families

    Same household only? Why can’t they just allow a certain number of people in your “family” use it? I have no kids, but I’d like to allow my siblings or in-laws use my games. They live in different cities.

    bread, (edited )
    @bread@feddit.nl avatar

    I really doubt they’ve got an IP lock in place; just set up a Family and invite your siblings and in-laws.

    Edit: tried it with a buddy, and it is in fact IP locked; he was unable to join until I set up a VPN for him to connect through. After initial setup, you don’t need the same IP address.

    radix,
    @radix@lemmy.world avatar

    They do point out that they will be monitoring how it’s used, and could adjust things later.

    Sounds like corporate-speak for “if people abuse this, we’ll lock it down harder.”

    Even if people are using it to share with actual family around the country, they may get caught up in future updates that remove that feature. Also note that any publisher can opt out of the sharing. If EA or Ubi or some other big company doesn’t like the lack of limits, they may be able to force Valve’s hand in changing the policy.

    The idea is wonderful, but there are a ton sof ways this could end up worse than the old system.

    1984,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    This is technical but you could set up a wireguard vpn server and let your friends connect to your computer. Then you all look like you are sitting in your home network from the steam servers point of view.

    Or just install Tailscale which makes it even easier and is free for like 3 computers.

    Your friends will have a bit of lag though since all their connections have to go through your computer to the steam network. But I believe it may not be noticeable.

    Trainguyrom,

    Or just install Tailscale which makes it even easier and is free for like 3 computers.

    Free for 100 devices! You can legit install it on every device virtual and physical device in your home and maybe run out of devices for the free plan. Right now I use it to secure the connection between my VPS proxy and my Minecraft server, as duct tape fixing some network fuckery, and as my primary means of connecting to services inside and outside of my LAN

    1984,
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    That’s very generous of them. I thought it was just 3. :)

    ouch,

    Bait and switch. Stay tuned for enshittification.

    Trainguyrom,

    Oh yeah I fully expect it at some point in the future. Right now their business model appears to be “get the nerds hooked on using it on their personal stuff to see how awesome it is to then sell enterprise licenses” and they’re in the “establish growth” phase so I think there’s a few years before enshitification begins.

    There is a competitor called Netbird that does similar and is fully open source and self-hostable. I haven’t tried it yet but it looks good on (virtual) paper

    ouch,

    Thanks for the Netbird link, wasn’t aware of it.

    If I’m not badly mistaken it’s also possible to self host Tailscale. For example:

    github.com/juanfont/headscale

    I haven’t tried either. Probably should at some point, but I haven’t really found a use case yet.

    Trainguyrom,

    By my memory of what I read headscale is a reverse engineered backend using the official tailscale client, so more opportunities for breakage or the weird issues that come from a reverse engineered server with a stock closed source client. I also could be horribly misinformed and/or misremembering

    Trainguyrom,

    I think it was initially 5 before they upped it to 100. They said they initially assumed they’d have tons of people using the subnet routing to share more than the limited number of devices, but found that wasn’t the case so they upped the free accounts

    60fpsrefugee,

    I don’t think they put a restriction on household Internet IP, just that you can only share with people within your region.

    MeekerThanBeaker,

    Region meaning country/continent? One of them lives across the country.

    Virkkunen,
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    Region meaning country

    firadin, (edited )

    Because the point of this is to force friends and adult family members to purchase extra copies of games. Do yall actually think Valve is giving away free game access?

    To those who are saying it’s not IP locked: people on reddit are all saying that the newer sign-ups are locked but they didn’t clear older sharing from early beta.

    shasta,

    You can likely use it from different physical locations. But just know that I’m order to set it up, you have to login with your account on their computer at some point to enable the family sharing feature. So unless you go there qnd do it, or remote into their computer to do it, or give them your password, you can’t use that feature. Some level of trust in each other is required.

    Virkkunen,
    @Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

    That is not how the new families work. The new on all you need to do is sent an invite and they'll be able to join the family. No need to log in their computers or authorise anything, just a simple invite.

    potustheplant,

    It actually is how it worked in the beta at least. I’ve been using it for several months with my friends and the invite wouldn’t work unless I had logged into steam on their pc previously.

    Virkkunen,
    @Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

    That is certainly not the case, either something unexpected happened or either of you didn't have the families beta on. I have never logged in someone else's PC and neither have someone logged on mine, I always use Steam on beta and I was able to send family invites to my friends, however only the ones in my region (country) were able to join.

    potustheplant,

    I did (and do) have the families beta on. Maybe that’s the way it worked for some people? I don’t know, but it certainly is what happened in my case.

    shasta,

    How new is it? I just set this up about 2 weeks ago and it required logging into both computers

    Sylvartas,

    But just know that I’m order to set it up, you have to login with your account on their computer at some point to enable the family sharing feature

    I doubt it, because I think that’s literally how it used to work

    PunchingWood,

    Because people will absolutely abuse it for other means, like selling shared accounts and what not.

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