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Adulated_Aspersion, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 show that the future of RPGs is in games way more ambitious, weird and unexpected than anything Bethesda and Bioware have to offer

But BioWare games used to be the top tier gaming company standard for excellence. Bethesda used to release amazingly ambitious titles that were unmatched (albeit buggy!).

Greed outweighs the love of games.

brucethemoose,

When do you think that stopped though?

There’s a lot of love for Skyrim, but I feel like there was already deterioration in the side quest writing, even strictly looking at Oblivion/FO3, not Morrowind.

As for BioWare, even ME3 was starting to show some cracks, even if you set the ending aside. And I loved Mass Effect to death. Heck, I’m even a bigger Andromeda fan than most.

…Point being I think we clung to BioWare/Bethesda a little too hard even when the signs of deoxygenation were there.

Adulated_Aspersion,

Completely agree. BioWare started it’s downward trend when it thought it could cash in on MMORPG billions by creating Star Wars: The Old Republic. Don’t get me wrong, Bioware made awesome games until ~2010. They were bought out by EA in 2007, and that is where we can clearly see that passion was lost. Good games still came out, but they weren’t great.

I will always hold a special spot in my heart for the Elder Scrolls. I’ve played since Daggerfall in the late 90s. I got into Fallout later, but went back and played the originals (except for tactics). A lot of people hate on Skyrim as being janky, but I was there for the original release. Did it have issues? Of course, and it still does. But this was 11 / 11 / 2011 we are talking about. Skyrim was doing things that no one in gaming was doing well, and they told a good story to boot.

The issue that I have with most studios is that they step away from the ideas of furthering or completing a story just because they can’t think of a new gimmic or mechanic to make it hugely profitable. They need those profits to justify the staggering wages paid to the CEO’s. Not to the writers, programmers, or artists.

So Bethesda lost a lot of love when they (like BioWare) attempted to cash in on MMORPGs with Fallout 76.

brucethemoose,

Funny thing is SWTOR has some great art, heartfelt voice acting and quests, great soundtrack and such, but at the end of the day it’s buried in a grindy.

On the other hand, I tried Fallout 76 (after it was patched up) drunk with friends, and it was boring as heck. The quests were so dull, gameplay so arbitrarily janky and grindy. Drunk! With friends! Do you know how low a bar that is :/

callouscomic, do gaming w 52-year-old 'Super Mario' supermarket in Costa Rica wins unlikely victory against the Nintendo lawyers: "He is Don Mario, he's my dad"

Fuck Nintendo. Fuck corporations. Fuck capitalism. Fuck the elites.

belated_frog_pants, do gaming w BioWare veterans confirm they were laid off by EA, including senior Dragon Age and Mass Effect devs

Siiiigh, its a fine game but shareholders want MOAR MOAR MOAR

Fucking leeches ruining games. Miss private companies making games

Maestro,

There are tons of private companies making games. They're usually called indy's

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

And there’s some really good stuff out there in the Indy scene

driving_crooner, do games w After the catastrophe of Concord Sony is reportedly cancelling other projects including a God of War live service game
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Stupid question, but was is a live service game?

Maalus,

Game they keep updating with new content and microtransactions.

Ephera,

Yeah, and they often launch with loads of systems where future content could be plugged in, but the actual content itself is typically bad or at the very least incomplete. The publishers try too hard to build a platform rather than a good game…

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

online multiplayer bullshit with monthly fees.

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Like a subscription base game? World of Warcraft and other alike?

Ephera,

Yeah, theoretically the exact model for monetization isn’t as important, but many publishers are hoping to get players to pay subscriptions indefinitely.

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

no it’s like fortnite or cod. They’re usually quickplay multiplayer games with a low cost to entry, infinite grinding potential, and microtransaction hell

Stovetop,

Monthly fees optional. These days I’d assume the battle pass model is more common.

groet,

Its the definition of “you dont own the game”. You pay to get access to the service of playing the game and it wants to keep you playing as long as possible so you spend more money on micro transactions. They are constantly updated, usually as some form of “season”, have daily login streak bonuses, etc. And after 2 years the game shuts down and you have nothing and can’t play anything you paid for anymore.

Every live service game that fails or gets cancled is a good thing.

CidVicious,
@CidVicious@sh.itjust.works avatar

Basically a game that is continuously updated with new content. Lots of different models of it from MMOs to Fortnite to Diablo IV. Many of them are free to play with lots of microtransactions. They usually feature things like seasons and battle passes and loot boxes. They’re almost always heavily monetized. The competition in the “genre” is incredibly fierce since most people probably only play a handful of them and friend groups usually all want to be on the same game. It’s very hard to break into. Sony announced that they were making a big investment into the area a few years ago and news has been trickling out since that most of them have been canceled.

DrSteveBrule,

The worst thing about a live service game to me is that they only work when you can connect to the official servers. Many live service games have shut down and there is no offline mode to continue playing. Sometimes you still pay full price for these games. Sometimes games like The Crew, shut down after you spent money to play it and then The Crew 2 comes out so you pay full price for essentially the same game and the first one doesn’t work anymore.

brsrklf, do games w Rule the talking movie industry in tycoon game Hollywood Animal

I’m not sure why there hasn’t been a business simulator where you could live up the glamorous, extremely vicious, exploitative, and horrible life of a movie studio owner in Old Hollywood.

The Movies, 2005.

Technically not just old Hollywood, it goes through the 20th century with technological advances and world events that change movie trends.

Since it’s a business management game from Bullfrog Lionhead, it did have some grit to it, though mostly sarcastic rather than very dark.

I welcome new takes on this though, the movies didn’t age well in some aspects (aspect ratio most notably, ah ah ). I know of Blockbuster Inc that tried to remake that already but the reviews are not great. I’ll try this one.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I heard that this one does have pretty dark, sleazy motifs.

Sanctus, do games w Valve is fixin' to start some arguments over the holidays because 'All adult members in a Steam Family' can see your Steam Replay page
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

They’re just jealous cause I always have Atlyss launched and they can’t play my copy.

tfw_no_toiletpaper,

I played it (almost done) with a friend, had it wishlisted since the IronPineapple video. But on god, finding normal players to do content as a group is nigh impossible, this thing is full of gooners and chat is full of uwu RP, I just left at some point and did the bosses solo.

Like:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e89a85fc-4472-4ef3-bd28-fc819e981b92.png

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah you gotta do private matches. Scrolling through the public lobbies really shows ya why this game was made.

Edit: Lmao, fatatouille

altasshet,

I have no idea what this is about, but the German guy’s reaction is hilarious

Skullgrid,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

seems like an austrian meme, also “I can’t take it anymore”

prole,

LOL that’s hilarious. The game looks legitimately fun, so I picked it up, but I had no intention of playing it online. Maybe now I’ll check it out hah

Cossty, (edited ) do games w Exodus, the new game being led by BioWare veteran James Ohlen, finally reveals some gameplay, and boy it sure looks like Mass Effect

I don’t know about the game, but the book is good.

The devs are working on the game and recently they released a book from the game’s world.

I really thought it would be shit, but then I saw that it was written by a known scifi author, so I thought it would be at least readable. I was pleasantly surprised and the book is actually really good.

The book in question is:

Exodus: The Archimedes Engine by Peter F. Hamilton

StoryGraph

Goodreads

slimerancher,
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

Oooh, written by Peter F. Hamilton, should check it out!

Cocodapuf, (edited )

His book Dragonfall is one of my favorite books ever.

Sorry my brain stopped working, it’s called Fallen Dragon.

slimerancher,
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think I have read that one, thanks for the recommendation!

Cocodapuf,

And as soon as I saw your comment I realized I had the title wrong, it’s “Fallen Dragon”.

slimerancher,
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

lol, no worries.

Passerby6497,

Wasn’t super interested until I saw it was a Hamilton book. Added it to my wishlist, will probably check it out, thanks!

hperrin, do games w 'I want to acknowledge that we messed up': NZXT addresses concerns about its controversial Flex gaming PC rental program and commits to taking action

Nah, I think this should tank them as a company. Once a scammer, always a scammer.

silverchase, do games w 'I want to acknowledge that we messed up': NZXT addresses concerns about its controversial Flex gaming PC rental program and commits to taking action
@silverchase@sh.itjust.works avatar

Back to you, Steve.

hoshikarakitaridia, do gaming w Elon Musk says too many game studios are owned by giant corporations so his giant corporation is going to start a studio to 'make games great again'
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

Good thing I’ve always wondered “what if someone did an Activision, but worse?”

PromptX, do games w Steam is 'an unsafe place for teens and young adults': US senator warns Gabe Newell of 'more intense scrutiny' from the government if Valve doesn't take action against extremist content
@PromptX@lemmy.zip avatar

I would have agreed if they replaced steam with discord.

Kbobabob,

Or twitter

Or Facebook

_cryptagion,

To be fair, Discord has been feeling the heat for a while, on multiple fronts and for multiple reasons. Not the least of which was a dumbass leaking classified information to his teenage buddies.

Mwa, (edited ) do games w 'My personal failure was being stumped': Gabe Newell says finishing Half-Life 2: Episode 3 just to conclude the story would've been 'copping out of [Valve's] obligation to gamers'

Why does Gabe newell look like Richard stallman,Funny enough they have different goals and oppose each other.

RangerJosie,
@RangerJosie@lemmy.world avatar

The man has aged since that famous photo from like 20 years ago.

shock

gasp

questions asked at parliament

Mwa,

frr

Blackmist, do games w 'My personal failure was being stumped': Gabe Newell says finishing Half-Life 2: Episode 3 just to conclude the story would've been 'copping out of [Valve's] obligation to gamers'

What did Episode 1 and 2 push forward?

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Linear, set-piece story-telling.

Viper_NZ,

It sure wasn’t rapid smaller releases

tigeruppercut,

HL1 already did that

toiletobserver, do games w 'My personal failure was being stumped': Gabe Newell says finishing Half-Life 2: Episode 3 just to conclude the story would've been 'copping out of [Valve's] obligation to gamers'

Zero punctuation on the orange box. youtu.be/_dlEm_2ke8k?si=bsTqae8W64qKny93

Linktank, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

This list is offensive to say the least. Valheim at 100 and then goes on to show like 60ish games that are shit in comparison to that masterpiece.

Vodulas,

There are not even 10 bad games on that list. Might not be to your taste, but that does not make them shit

Linktank,

I didn’t say any of these games were shit. I said that many of them were shit IN COMPARISON to Valheim, which is objectively true.

Vodulas,

What if I told you I find Valheim to be just fine, so I am surprised it is on this list? The subjectiveness of enjoying a game is a very large spectrum

Linktank,

Honestly, there were a TON of games I was surprised to find on this list, but Valheim was not one of them.

Multiplayer games are especially vulnerable to the subjectiveness of enjoyment because not everybody has the same set of friends or experiences with their friends in the game, assuming they played with friends at all.

That said, I’ve been playing games for decades and I would put forth that even single player Valheim with no access to multiplayer would deserve to be much higher than the 100 placement on this terrible list.

mtlvmpr,

I would say that it’s offensive to put Early Access games on those lists. It clouds people’s judgment as they are valued with different standards and are expected to get better (especially if more people support the game). Any game that’s not fully released is a 0/10 in my book even if they were my favorite games.

Linktank,

Valheim was a better game in it’s first version than a lot of the games that are “complete” on this list.

I get where you’re coming from, and certainly some games don’t deserve to even be sold in their “early access” state. However, I think saying none of them should count at all is a bit ridiculous.

Valheim offered hundreds of hours worth of entertainment even in the early versions and has only improved since then. It only takes up 1gb of data through some miracle, and runs fairly well even on the steam deck.

Honestly it puts many of the other titles on the list to shame. Ignoring it because the dev wants to continue providing MORE free updates instead of calling the game finished and then charging for “DLC” is not a reason to punish the studio, if anything they should be looked to as an example of what other devs should do.

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