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luciferofastora, do gaming w Hidetaka Miyazaki 'knows for a fact' other FromSoftware devs want a Bloodborne PC port: 'If I say I want one, I'll get in trouble, but it's nothing I'm opposed to'

Last I heard, there were some issues about who owns the IP and copyrights? I’m not overly familiar, but legal jungle combined with corporate politics may be scary enough to navigate that Miyazaki would rather be careful around making explicit statements

prole,

Oh great. Can’t wait for Sony or something to come in and completely ruin the IP with a movie or some shit.

dino, do gaming w Hidetaka Miyazaki 'knows for a fact' other FromSoftware devs want a Bloodborne PC port: 'If I say I want one, I'll get in trouble, but it's nothing I'm opposed to'

This is taking way too long.

Neato, do gaming w Hidetaka Miyazaki 'knows for a fact' other FromSoftware devs want a Bloodborne PC port: 'If I say I want one, I'll get in trouble, but it's nothing I'm opposed to'
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Why would he get in trouble? Sony only owns 15% of From. And who the hell would fire him? That’d be like firing Kojima. And we see how that turned out for Konami.

theangriestbird,

Sony execs: “well we were going to send Kratos after him, but he only said he ‘wasn’t opposed’, so you can send Kratos home.”

sneezycat,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

Knowing how good companies are at taking decisions, they’d be capable.

Crackhappy, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

I watched the trailer and thought to myself, 20 years ago me would be super excited for this game!

Zozano, do gaming w Hidetaka Miyazaki 'knows for a fact' other FromSoftware devs want a Bloodborne PC port: 'If I say I want one, I'll get in trouble, but it's nothing I'm opposed to'
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

It’s bound to happen.

Sony has been breaking into the PC space for a bit now.

frezik, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value

People don’t even get Robocop, and that one is even less subtle (IMO).

ours,

Neo Nazis didn’t get The Dead Kennedys (a very left-leaning hardcore punk band). It motivated them to write a song titled “Nazi punks fuck off” (the lyrics just repeat the song’s title aggressively) in an attempt to pass the message into their thick, mostly empty skulls.

RememberTheApollo_, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t understand why people wouldn’t take it at face value without any further context offered to them beforehand. It’s a campy action film that’s a lot of fun but with just the faintest dusting of authoritarianism that could be easily disregarded as just part of the ambience of the filmmaker’s decisions. It ends on a hopeful scene implying better understanding of the Bugs in order to reach victory.

You’ve got to read the book to get it, but even then that doesn’t really shift the film out of being a Big Action Shooter that’s fun to watch.

joe_cool,

Umm, I’m pretty sure Heinlein meant it as a system that could work. The book is definitely not the parody the movie is.

RememberTheApollo_,
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry if it came across that way, but no…the book is not like the movie. No disagreement there.

joe_cool,

All good. Maybe my reading comprehension was off.

shasta, (edited )

I think what made it an obvious parody was the over the top PSA/commercials they broadcasted, and the fact that citizens are treated as a privileged class. I think at one point someone mentions that they have to become a citizen in order to be legally allowed to have children and that’s why they joined the army. It’s so far abstracted from our own reality, that I even picked up on the fact that it was a parody watching it for the first time at 12 years old.

RememberTheApollo_,
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

TBF but a parody of what? Sure it has a satirical look and exaggerates aspects of modern society, however we are trying to balance that against the book.

We could even say that the movie is taking shots at Heinlein’s own personal beliefs because arguably Heinlein’s personal politics paint him as a rabid anti-communist, pro-nuclear and -projection of force.

Personally I viewed the commercials and over the top stratified society based using a trope of a somewhat Roman or Spartan militaristic society, but it’s been a long, long time since I read the book to remember enough to actually compare Heinlein’s politics to the book and then the film to that book and modern society.

shasta,

Sorry, I meant satire.

KeenFlame,

No

zagaberoo, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value

Is it really that mind-boggling? ST has always seemed to me to read whichever way you are already predisposed to. How does everybody dying make it an anti-war movie? I would be shocked if the kind of person who believes in the good of a war machine were surprised that lots of people die in war.

Maybe my memory is a bit hazy, but the bugs actually annihilate a city, right? What is the human response supposed to be? The extreme nature of the government and military only come across as insane if you’ve already been educated about fascism. Desperate times do indeed call for desperate measures, which muddies the antifascist message in my opinion.

It’s a great movie, but anyone who thinks it’s going to change anyone’s mind from their preconceptions is fooling themselves.

What am I missing?

ZeroHora,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

If I recall correctly, most things that the bugs did was fake news, just propaganda to justify the war that sustain the failed government.

Crikeste,

We must have based humanity off the movie.

Dreyns,

Lies !! The bug obviously launched that asteroid ! You’re a traitor spreading lies it’s all that i see !

huginn,

"I want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don’t."

  • Paul Verhoeven, director of Starship Troopers

The movie makes it clear that:

  1. The bugs were responding to human colonization
  2. Humans fired the first shots
  3. The government is lying to everyone claiming the bugs are mindless. They overjoyed shouts of the soldiers when they learn the opposite is true - is only because they learn that the bugs are terrified.
  4. The endless over the top propaganda is supposed to be a pretty fuckin heavy clue that it’s a fascist state.
zagaberoo,

4 in particular I think is more open to interpretation based on ones existing biases than people seem to think. Being over the top doesn’t necessarily have to be mockery and authorial intent is peanuts to a random personwatching a movie.

The other points IIRC are individual moments rather than recurring themes. It’s not surprising to me that significant numbers of people overlook them.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

4 in particular I think is more open to interpretation based on ones existing biases than people seem to think

I mean yeah, people with fascist views obviously wouldn’t see fascist propaganda as being ironic.

NigelFrobisher,

One of the hallmarks of fascism is that the enemy are simultaneously too strong - so we must militarise - and too weak, because we are the superior race and destined to prevail.

ColeSloth,

Most of your points aren’t true at all.

  1. The movie point blank states towards the beginning that the Bugs were flinging out their pods/eggs/whatever into space looking to land on worlds to colonize
  2. The movie gives all appearances and inferences that the Bugs attacked first. Not the humans. This makes further sense by point 1, and how far away the bugs home world actually is.
  3. The only announcement made of a bug being afraid wasn’t all bugs. It was only the large “thinking” bug at the end of the movie, after it had its mouth cut off and it was strapped down and being experimented on in the lab. There was no inferences at all of any other bugs being made. So no, the government wasn’t depicted in the movie as lying about knowing of any bug intelligence. I didn’t know of any intelligent bugs, and by the end of the movie it was only known that the one type of rare smart bug captured was the only intelligent one, and that it was able to possibly psychically control the other dumb bugs.
TauriWarrior,

The propaganda films say that the bugs are attacking by flinging asteroids from the other side of the milky way, do you know how long that would take? Also we never see any bugs in space, just the plasma getting thrown, never see how they are supposedly throwing these asteroids.

ColeSloth,

What’s your point? I’m not really sure why you sent this as a reply to me.

hernanca,

The point is that the footage we see is part of the in-universe propaganda, so we have no reason to assume it’s true.

Once again proving that even fictional propaganda is highly effective.

ColeSloth,

There’s also no presentation that it isn’t true, and by whatever means, we do know for sure that the Bugs are attacking earth. Retaliation or not, so either way it’s people stuck having to fight in order to save humanity.

PowerCrazy,

None of your points except maybe number 4 is true.

Razzazzika,

It’s the same reason people thought Stephen Colbert was a champion of conservatism until he moved to the tonight show.

macabrett,
@macabrett@lemmy.ml avatar

“its afraid… Its afraid!!” cheering

Anyone who misses the satire is a dolt, but I do agree satire is ineffective in changing minds. It’s a preaching to the choir sort of genre.

ShaggySnacks,

Maybe my memory is a bit hazy, but the bugs actually annihilate a city, right?

The bugs were alleged to send an asteroid from another solar system and hit Earth. Logically, the bugs would have to know hundreds of years that they were going to get in a war with the Humans, know how to shoot an asteroid across the galaxy, and know exactly Earth was going to be for the asteroid to hit.

zagaberoo,

Is it surprising that people might miss that, though? Especially if they don’t already agree with the antifascist message.

ShaggySnacks,

I missed it and wasn’t brought to my attention years later that the movie was satire on fascism. I always took it as a dumb action movie.

zagaberoo,

Not an unreasonable interpretation!

PowerCrazy,

The bugs don’t launch the asteroids ballistically, they are launched superluminally as can be seen by the gravity singularity that Denise Richards detects when they (almost) avoid the asteroid.

dessalines, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
Semi_Hemi_Demigod, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I just watched the movie because there were boobies.

ipkpjersi,

There were some nice ones.

Plavatos, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value

Would you like to know more?

RonnyZittledong, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
@RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world avatar

There will always be morons that just don’t get it. It is how Q Anon went from a 4chan joke to what it is now.

TexasDrunk,

Also what happened to t_d on Reddit.

stufkes,

What happened? Who is t_d?

TexasDrunk,

Reasonable question! It was a sub called “the_donald”. It started with a bunch of folks saying outrageous things that were satirizing Trump and his followers. Unfortunately it wasn’t outrageous enough because it was slowly taken over by true believers who spouted the same outrageous shit because they actually believed it.

snekerpimp, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value

“Mind bottling. You know, when things are so crazy it gets your thoughts all trapped, like in a bottle”

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

I mean he’s right but god damn.

Masamune,

“It’s a moo point. Like a cow’s opinion, you know, it just doesn’t matter.”

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

It’s all water under the fridge

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t take things for granite.

Cowbee, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Gam*rs

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve seen this a few times, ca you explain this to me? Is it a way of talking about people that consider themselves capital G gamers without having them come in and ruin the conversation with whining or gamergate bs?

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s just pretending Gamer is a slur, that’s it.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Gotcha, thanks!

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not a slur, but I’m doing everything in my power to turn it into one

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Godspeed o7

Zahille7,

I support this movement

TrousersMcPants,

It’s a joke about writing slurs and censoring them with an asterisk, implying Gamer is a slur

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Ah gotcha, thanks. I will say, I don’t like being called a gamer because I don’t want to get lumped in with the whiny chuds so I get it

Zahille7, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value

Unrelated, but I met Casper at a convention last summer, and he was super cool. He seems like he’d be a fun guy to know.

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